If OP passes, I'd love to get my hands on one of these thread protectors for my new build.@Robin if you want it and I can find it, I have a Northern Gun Parts fake flash hider I could send you one of these days if you dont want a standard looking cap.
Edit: found it. It's one of the longer ones. If you want it and I can steel myself to go to the post office it's yours.
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Thought ATF opinion was specifically for determining barrel length such that rifles with 14.5 barrels would not be considered SBRs if they had 1.5 muzzle device attached with one of the two proscribed methods. Later generally adopted for threaded barrel nonsense but never officially sanctioned?Will red loctite work? Probably. Chances are that your gun will never be inspected. But if used for defense or an accident happens in the field, it isn’t one of the two approved methods by the ATF.
Silver solder and welding are the only two approved methods. Just throwing this out there in case you want to remain legal. You already are trying to follow other laws by using this ridiculous stock so that you don’t get jammed up. So why stop when you get to the barrel?
Bottom line, those are the only 2 methods with solid legal backing.The ATF responded to this person in the past when we had the Federal AWB regarding threads for both barrel length and for hiding threads for AWB legality. There were only two approved methods then in their handbook despite some companies just pinning and currently only two methods now in their handbook regarding barrel length.
Will red loctite work like I said earlier. More likely than not if no one ever looks at it. But if one does not want the headache, there are foolproof ways to do it.
I only say this for the guy reading this that wants no headaches. No skin off my head. I may use red loctite myself in the future if I deem the risk acceptable. If not then I would use one of these 2 methods to have a leg to stand on.
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Yeah, I hear ya! Even still, I'm undecided. The high temp silver solder I have would require the steel to be at least a soft red glow and I'm worried about damaging the barrel, stuffing that end of the bore with charcoal would prevent any rapid oxidation of that vital area, but would it change the temper of the barrel end itself, maybe affect shot to shot accuracy. Kev, did you notice any ill affects?I did one of mine with silver solder. Another I did with red loctite.
If it gets to the point where someone is doing a legal evaluation to determine if its legal or not, I've got bigger things to worry about.
If OP passes, I'd love to get my hands on one of these thread protectors for my new build.
Keep in mind, the ATF documents regarding attaching a muzzle device are in the context of determining barrel length. The New York "no thread" mandate does not specify what "no threads" actually means. A cap secured by red thread locker cannot be casually removed. Sure, it can be done with the heat of a torch or heat gun. But, that would still prove that the owner was actually intent on being sure that the threads were not usable without additional premeditated intent.The ATF responded to this person in the past when we had the Federal AWB regarding threads for both barrel length and for hiding threads for AWB legality. There were only two approved methods then in their handbook despite some companies just pinning and currently only two methods now in their handbook regarding barrel length.
Will red loctite work like I said earlier. More likely than not if no one ever looks at it. But if one does not want the headache, there are foolproof ways to do it.
I only say this for the guy reading this that wants no headaches. No skin off my head. I may use red loctite myself in the future if I deem the risk acceptable. If not then I would use one of these 2 methods to have a leg to stand on.
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Maybe been there and maybe done it.Hit cap with the mig/tig so it looks like it's pinned and then attach with red locktite lol...
It did though during the federal AWB years ago as stated in that letter above. I understand what you are saying regarding intent. But if in a courtroom, you have a better leg to stand on if using an approved method via the ATF than one you made up yourself because there is no process in the law. That’s my only point.Keep in mind, the ATF documents regarding attaching a muzzle device are in the context of determining barrel length. The New York "no thread" mandate does not specify what "no threads" actually means. A cap secured by red thread locker cannot be casually removed. Sure, it can be done with the heat of a torch or heat gun. But, that would still prove that the owner was actually intent on being sure that the threads were not usable without additional premeditated intent.
Defense: Members of the jury, there were no threads readily usable on the barrel.“Your honor. The defendant used a process currently prescribed for barrel length via ATF guidelines.”
Vs.
“Your honor. The defendant used glue.”
If the law mentioned barrel threading that could be readily used, then yes. However that is not what the law says. It says that you either have them or don’t. And currently there is only one agency that has a procedure for what makes a barrel with threads not be a barrel with threads.Defense: Members of the jury, there were no threads readily usable on the barrel.
Prosecution: Oh really...(tries to wrench off cap that is on with red loctite).....(damages barrel)...oh...okay
OR Prosecution: Oh really...(puts on gloves, puts barrel in vise, heats barrel with torch, and removes cap). SEE!
Defense: Exactly! Members of the jury, does that look like a barrel with readily available threads that could easily be used?
I used a lower temp solder. I'm not heating my riffle barrels to red hot.Yeah, I hear ya! Even still, I'm undecided. The high temp silver solder I have would require the steel to be at least a soft red glow and I'm worried about damaging the barrel, stuffing that end of the bore with charcoal would prevent any rapid oxidation of that vital area, but would it change the temper of the barrel end itself, maybe affect shot to shot accuracy. Kev, did you notice any ill affects?
Robin
Other than how it looked and the constant reminder of the laws when looking at it, you are correct. It is well built and customer service is top notch. Even a muzzle cap from them arrived in a few days all the way from California.I know none of us want to deal with this kind of stock but those folks at Thordsen are fast and for what it is their product is sound!
Robin
Ambitious to be on or off?The stocks work with an ambitious safety otherwise not so much.