Traveling In NYS With Handgun Not On Your Permit

[TopShot]

My son and I both enjoy all aspects of shooting.
He lives upstate and I live downstate.
All our firearms are kept in a gun safe with me downstate.
He comes downstate from time to time and when he does we sometimes go shooting.
What if I decided to visit him and traveled with one of his handguns
not loaded in a lock box similar to what's done when traveling interstate.
That particular handgun would not be on my NYS permit.
How bad would that be, locked up, felony, etc.?
The problem is you never know when you might get stopped, moving violation, accident, etc..
Probably not a good idea !
Is There Any LEGAL Way Around This ?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I'm sure the experts will weigh in but guessing he should have you listed on his permit as well? Pretty much anything in this state that's gun related is a hanging offense so to speak so I'm guessing your possession would be a felony.

 

[TopShot]

Carlos Hathcock, that's what I figure.
I am the person listed on his application to safeguard his handguns in the case of a
disability but nowhere does it says that on the permit so I don't know how that would help.
He has a M&P 40 and a Sig Sauer P320 which is soon to go back to Sig for the drop safety upgrade that he likes to shoot.
I can always bring an extra one of mine for him to use but for him it wouldn't be the same practicing with someone else gun.

 

[Robin]

Why haven't you put all his guns on your permit and vice versa ?
Robin

 

[VietnamEraVet]

This thread feels wrong,- like maybe it's posted by an officer on Andy's gun squad looking to see if members here will suggest ways to break the law?

The answer is simple, unless your County has some asshole "rule" put in place that would prevent it. But the correct way to do this is for each of you to co-register your respective firearms on each other's permits. Then you can each travel anywhere upstate (not in the boroughs of NYC) with any of those handguns in either's possession. And if either of your permits have BS "administrative restrictions" on them that only allow you to use them at the range, etc., be sure to follow that when traveling with the handguns in your vehicle.

Not only that, but why are you keeping the guns on his permit with you? That's not legal as is.

 

[TopShot]

Robin & VietnamEraVet, I didn't know you can do that.
I'll have to check that out.
In Westchester they frown on you having more than 5 handguns your permit.
You must have a safe which I do and they come to make a visual inspection.
This is not something I want them to do.

 

[TopShot]

VietnamEraVet, not the case.
Sorry you think that.
Some of the members on the forum can vouch for me.
Ben at Onsight Firearm Training and togmaster to name a few.
I'm squeaky clean and I just want to stay that way.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

VietnamEraVet, not the case.
Sorry you think that.
Some of the members on the forum can vouch for me.
Ben at Onsight Firearm Training and togmaster to name a few.
I'm squeaky clean and I just want to stay that way.

Hope so. Maybe it's just too early this morning and no coffee for me yet. If so, my apologies!

 

[TopShot]

VietnamEraVet, I'll buy you a cup.
Are you downstate ?
Do you ever go to Master Class, Blue Mountain or Coyne Park ?

 

[VietnamEraVet]

VietnamEraVet, I'll buy you a cup.
Are you downstate ?
Do you ever go to Master Class, Blue Mountain or Coyne Park ?

Thanks for the offer! But I am stuck in the other end of New Yorkistan.

 

[nortatoga]

@TopShot ,Is your son away at school the reason his pistols are in your possession ?

 

[GTN]

Hmmm...
In this state is it even legal to have possession of someone's handguns in your house if they don't reside there?

 

[nortatoga]

Hmmm...
In this state is it even legal to have possession of someone's handguns in your house if they don't reside there?

Just what I was thinking? Unless the son is away in school!

 

[TopShot]

nortatoga, yes he is.
He is at UAlbany getting his MPA.
His residence is downstate with me even though we have an apartment in Colonie.

 

[nortatoga]

nortatoga, yes he is.
He is at UAlbany getting his MPA.
His residence is downstate with me even though we have an apartment in Colonie.

Then you should look into co-registration! Good Luck!!

 

[4excal]

VietnamEraVet, I'll buy you a cup.
Are you downstate ?
Do you ever go to Master Class, Blue Mountain or Coyne Park ?

Ahhh good ole Coyne Park..the gun range under a Kindergarten school lol.. I remember the first day I went there I was like heheh

 

[togmaster]

VietnamEraVet, not the case.
Sorry you think that.
Some of the members on the forum can vouch for me.
Ben at Onsight Firearm Training and togmaster to name a few.
I'm squeaky clean and I just want to stay that way.

He's cool. And he knows how to fish.

 

[togmaster]

Possession of a handgun not on your permit in this state is a felony. If you son's "official" residence is your place no problem keeping them in your safe. Never transport them without your son being present.

And come to think of it... the first time I met you I thought you were a Narc. j/k

 

[Jem45472]

Not legal maybe, but understandable if you ask me. If I lived in Westchester, or anywhere where owning more than 5 guns gets you on a watchlist, I wouldn't want that attention either.

 

[Dr. Evil]

In this state? I'm thinking you would be shot but what do I know.

 

[wizrd]

Co-registration is strictly up to the county guys - some will do it for people who have different residences, - I know that Oneida county will not. Seems like both counties would have to OK the co-registration thing. Otherwise, yes a felony.

 

[Phazer]

Robin & VietnamEraVet, I didn't know you can do that.
I'll have to check that out.
In Westchester they frown on you having more than 5 handguns your permit.
You must have a safe which I do and they come to make a visual inspection.
This is not something I want them to do.

They make a "visual inspection" of the exterior of your safe and they ask some questions. I've had 2 inspections.

I will not be deterred from purchasing as many pistols as I want. Screw them!

 

[Phazer]

Not legal maybe, but understandable if you ask me. If I lived in Westchester, or anywhere where owning more than 5 guns gets you on a watchlist, I wouldn't want that attention either.

So? In New York State all of your handguns are fully registered. The government knows exactly where to go to get your handguns. Why let that stand in the way of additional legal acquisitions?

 

[TopShot]

Like I said never knew that you could put someone else' guns on your permit in NY.
I will have to check that out on Monday.
For some reason I think that's not happening in Westchester County.
Thanks for the idea.

 

[misunderestimated]

WHAT ASININE QUESTIONS ! I have a permit,my son has a permit, can I travel with his legal pistol

WHAT STUPID RULES Need a home inspection over 5 guns

ONLY IN NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA

What part was confusing !!SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!

I cant wait to leave, How did we let this happen , where will it be in 20 years, another seizure law was enacted yesterday in Oregon. What a flock of sheep we have become.

Top shot sorry we have to worry about such silly arbitrary do nothing laws.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

WHAT ASININE QUESTIONS ! I have a permit,my son has a permit, can I travel with his legal pistol

WHAT STUPID RULES Need a home inspection over 5 guns

ONLY IN NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA

What part was confusing !!SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!

I cant wait to leave, How did we let this happen , where will it be in 20 years, another seizure law was enacted yesterday in Oregon. What a flock of sheep we have become.

Top shot sorry we have to worry about such silly arbitrary do nothing laws.

I agree with @misunderestimated on this point. It is just another obstacle that the law abiding gun owner has to deal with. Every time I enter a secure government building where I have to check my weapon, in addition to having to produce my permit, the officers have to check the serial number against my permit, and log the make, model, and s/n.

And yet, 90 or so miles away in PA, they don't care if I open or concealed carry in public (with a PA permit). And in PA, they don't track the gun serial numbers of the guns you own. There is no gun info on my PA permit.

FUAC!

 

[Robin]

You want to come up with a list of questions that are asinine, asinine only because of the asinine unconstitutional trash that would prompt you to ask such asinine questions in the first place. Read the SAFE act. FUAC!
Robin

 

[Mr. terzmo]

As I was told by the Niagara County pistol Permit office....If a CLOSE Family member moves out of the house, handguns they own go with them and dropped off the others permit. It is against permit rules for two people having the same gun on their permits unless Close Family and living in the same house. Applicable penalty for illegal handgun would apply with the statute penalties

 

[Robin]

I'd have to see that in writing.
Robin

 

[Mk44]

Like I said never knew that you could put someone else' guns on your permit in NY.
I will have to check that out on Monday.
For some reason I think that's not happening in Westchester County.
Thanks for the idea.

Yes, you & your son can put the same handguns on each other's license.
BUT, I've read that...IF either one of you get into "any" kind of altercation (bad divorce, disputes, bar fight, bad argument with girlfriend, roommate, etc.. ), anything that would cause the law to come and confiscate the other one's handguns. They will take all (yours & his) the guns, because "all" the handguns are listed on both licenses. just a thought.
(for me, I would stick with the co-sign owner doc's. just my preference.)

Like you said, what if your car breaks down, accident, traffic stop, etc...
If your son's handguns are not on your license, I would not risk transporting it up to him "just for a few hours of fun" vs. criminal charges. Basically, you'll be in possession of an unregistered (to you) handgun.