Trump Endorses Background Checks, Rules Out Assault Weapons Ban

[livingston]

Trump Endorses Background Checks, Rules Out Assault Weapons Ban
President Donald Trump endorsed an expansion of background checks for U.S. gun buyers following the massacres in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, but said there’s “no political appetite” to renew a ban on military-style rifles.
Trump Endorses Background Checks, Rules Out Assault Weapons Ban

 

[FrankenCub]

While he said there’s not enough support in Congress to re-enact what was commonly known as the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004, he indicated he would discuss the idea with lawmakers. “I will certainly bring that up,” he said.

That's enough to tell me he supports AWB. He could very well leverage more support in Congress, you know, trade for the wall.

 

[BDinPutnam]

...for now.

 

[Celt]

We already have it here so no change for us, but it is disappointing that he is caving to the left because bgc on private sales wouldnt have stopped any mass shooting, its just an emotional response.

Like i said in the other thread, part of me would rather see a full blown awb on the fed level so we would have a better chance of a scotus case giving the entire country relief.

 

[Darth]

Quick, now everyone defend this clown for the same thing Obama was, rightfully, bashed for.

IST2A, B....

 

[FrankenCub]

We already have it here so no change for us, but it is disappointing that he is caving to the left because bgc on private sales wouldnt have stopped any mass shooting, its just an emotional response.

Like i said in the other thread, part of me would rather see a full blown awb on the fed level so we would have a better chance of a scotus case giving the entire country relief.

I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it nation wide either, let the rest feel what we do. Unfortunately I feel about as confident in SCOTUS giving us relief as I do Trump defending the 2nd. I'm sure what is already owned will be grandfathered as it was before, so many in this country would feel.... well, I already have mine. Unless there is actions to confiscate MSRs, it will be life as usual. People will bitch and moan, cases will may be brought to SCOTUS, who will pass on the cases siting that there are possible millions of MSRs already in private hands.
True Conservative politicians are a dieing breed and being replaced by Leftists faster than ever.

 

[livingston]

We already have it here so no change for us, but it is disappointing that he is caving to the left because bgc on private sales wouldnt have stopped any mass shooting, its just an emotional response.

Like i said in the other thread, part of me would rather see a full blown awb on the fed level so we would have a better chance of a scotus case giving the entire country relief.

Never see a day in court.... That's the way they roll....

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I would like to think Trump is playing lip service to the media to give them nowhere to go with the issue so he can just wait it out, but I hold no such hopes. For him to push for or even sign an AWB would be a blatant reversal from his stated position. Not that it isn't uncommon for people in politics to do that. At this point though, I don't really understand why he should give the left an inch on anything. They hate him no matter what. They would hate him if he did everything they ask for. So I don't know what's in it for him by caving. Perhaps, like I said, he is playing lip service to the media and is banking on nothing getting through to his desk. I'm not holding my breath though. This sucks.

Would the country's response to another AWB be different than 1994? I sure as hell hope so. I hope it would be fought so hard that no politician will risk pushing gun control in the future. I would hope that the supreme court would strike such a ban down for good and leave little doubt that the 2nd is a core right that cannot be restricted so easily.

 

[Celt]

I think that many of us were born 250 years too late.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I think that many of us were born 250 years too late.

Yeah maybe for our own liking but where would this country be if we weren't in the here and now? This is our time, for better or worse.

 

[Darth]

This is our time, for better or worse.

Deep stuff bro.

 

[togmaster]

Chip, chip, chip...

We just lost another one.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Deep stuff bro.

I know. That was some Goonies shit right there.

 

[Criticalt]

Trump must relize the obvious.
Even if he signs an all ot MSR ban, including confiscation, the left would still detest him and want him impeached.
Annnnd, he would not be re-elected......he needs gun owners to win in 2020.
So, kind of an easy choice if he wants re-elected.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Trump must relize the obvious.
Even if he signs an all ot MSR ban, including confiscation, the left would still detest him and want him impeached.
Annnnd, he would not be re-elected......he needs gun owners to win in 2020.
So, kind of an easy choice if he wants re-elected.

That's the only thing that gives me hope it's just lip service. I mean, the guy is unpredicable. Wasn't it after the Pulse night club shooting, he had a televised meeting with top congressional members about gun control....and nothing ended up happening... so who knows with this guy. The bump stock ban gives him a bad name though. So I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Phazer]

Violent crime rates were dropping before the 1994-2004 AWB. Crime rates eventually plateaued and then dropped even faster after the AWB sunsetted in 2004. All the while, the number of privately owned guns increased substantially.

Bottom line: This data does not mean that more guns leads to less crime. But, it certainly dispels the Left's myth that more guns lead to higher violent crime rates.

 

[Twogunwilly]

Erik & Don Jr probably can keep him in check on MSR's, I sure hope anyways.

Do you Trump haters think Shillary would protect the 2A better?

 

[FrankenCub]

Erik & Don Jr probably can keep him in check on MSR's, I sure hope anyways.

Do you Trump haters think Shillary would protect the 2A better?

I'm not a Trump hater, but look at things from a realist view. His political views have flopped back and forth long before he ran for POTUS and has in the past supported MSR bans. He does what will benefit him, in many instances what he does benefits the country. If banning MSRs will benefit him to gain support on other issues with the Dems, he'll do it. Shillary would have just acted faster on gun control in general. Probably within the first year. Could end up being the same end result.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

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Violent crime rates were dropping before the 1994-2004 AWB. Crime rates eventually plateaued and then dropped even faster after the AWB sunsetted in 2004. All the while, the number of privately owned guns increased substantially.

Bottom line: This data does not mean that more guns leads to less crime. But, it certainly dispels the Left's myth that more guns lead to higher violent crime rates.

Need a linky to that graph.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Actually the graph says net exports of additional guns. Doesn't this show a steady increase in firearms exports for the years before, during, and after the AWB, with a decrease in violent crime/ murder in the US for the same period? This is counter to the argument we would want to make. I think the chosen colors are deceitful too.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Erik & Don Jr probably can keep him in check on MSR's, I sure hope anyways.

Do you Trump haters think Shillary would protect the 2A better?

Wasnt particularly interested in Obama's unelected kids or wife guiding policy, also thought it was pretty fucking stupid and unconstitutional when Clinton gave his unelected wife the health care portfolio.

Your point is what, exactly?

I'm sincerely looking forward to seeing a Trump-appointed judge knock down Trump-endorsed gun control. Because its coming.

 

[spat]

So, after 2 guys that passed background checks shoot up some stores, the answer is to require more people to undergo those background checks ?

 

[Madmallard]

Punish the masses for the misdeeds of a few.

 

[Jem45472]

So, after 2 guys that passed background checks shoot up some stores, the answer is to require more people to undergo those background checks ?

You have a problem seeing the logic in this?

 

[Phazer]

You have a problem seeing the logic in this?

No. After all, the current Democrat presidential frontrunner has been in national politics for over 30 years, was vice president for 8 years, was in office while our national ills developed....yet he is being touted as the grand game-changer who will fix the problems (that he helped to create).

 

[Defilade]

Trump warned by NRA over background checks

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Trump has a real issue here because He wants to be re- elected. IF He does nothing..the left will run wild every time there is a shooting and He will lose votes. If He does something, even like BG checks, his claim He is a tight second amendment supporter gets flushed and will lose votes. IF this was His second term, He'd handle it a different way.

 

[spat]

Trump has a real issue here because He wants to be re- elected. IF He does nothing..the left will run wild every time there is a shooting and He will lose votes. If He does something, even like BG checks, his claim He is a tight second amendment supporter gets flushed and will lose votes. IF this was His second term, He'd handle it a different way.

Trump wouldn't lose many votes for vetoing gun control. I'm not sure how many he would lose for supporting it though.

Remember, in order to lose a vote, it has to be someone who was going to vote for him to begin with.

It doesn't matter how much he pisses off triggleypuff, it was never voting for him to begin with.

On the other hand, who are you going to vote for in the next election ? Joe Biden ? Would you just stay home ?

If Trump signed a nationwide SAFE act, Biden would still be worse, and in a presidential election not voting helps whichever candidate you like the least.

This country has become so polarized that we really don't have effective choices anymore.

 

[Cooolone]

The problem is the progressives want to use each election as a tool... To harass and attempt to instill fear in elected representatives who want that job to last, and last...

Term Limits throughout fixes that problem!

Second is Trump is bat shyt crazy as we know. But I don't think the country is ready to return to a Progressive Leftist at the helm... so he wants to do something, and dangerously that includes anything, just so he can say he did something. He shoots from the hip all the time, is both good and bad. But just like the bump stocks, he's going to do it, do something he sure. And yes, that leaves the door open to door more, and more.

What happens when the left trumps Trump? Example: Attach an assault weapons ban to a bill funding the border wall? Hmmmmm... Lol

 

[spat]

The problem is the progressives want to use each election as a tool... To harass and attempt to instill fear in elected representatives who want that job to last, and last...

Term Limits throughout fixes that problem!

Second is Trump is bat shyt crazy as we know. But I don't think the country is ready to return to a Progressive Leftist at the helm... so he wants to do something, and dangerously that includes anything, just so he can say he did something. He shoots from the hip all the time, is both good and bad. But just like the bump stocks, he's going to do it, do something he sure. And yes, that leaves the door open to door more, and more.

What happens when the left trumps Trump? Example: Attach an assault weapons ban to a bill funding the border wall? Hmmmmm... Lol

I bet Trump works a deal to get the wall at our expense.

He'll sell us out with universal BGCs or national Red Flag law, in exchange for a few billion for a wall. He will get something he wants in exchange.

It will suck, if we're lucky he'll negotiate in a sunset provision like the federal AWB had and maybe we'll be able to get rid of it in a decade.

But I'll still vote for him, because what better choice do I have ?