Trump Wants To Let a LOT of Foreigners into the US "Legally"

[John Stark]

"We're going to close the border, we're going to get the crooked ones out, the bad ones out. And we're going to let a lot of people come in, because we need more people, especially with AI coming. The farmers need it, everybody needs it but we're going to make sure they're not murderers and drug dealers."

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Trump is going to "legally" let more foreigners into our country if he wins (his words), and don't worry they won't be criminals this time around. Double pinky swear!


See, the AI industry really needs foreign labor, as does the farming sector, and everyone else. And we know foreign countries are sending their best and brightest, right? And that the scum who run our government are going to make sure they are fully "vetted," right?

Don't forget that he's also promising to deport millions & millions of illegals too... Like that is ever going to happen.

It ought to be noted that the EU has been "legally" importing "migrants" into their countries for decades, and is now overrun with third world trash. Does anyone expect different here? Trump is not talking about importing just the "best and the brightest" here, as has been claimed by people here before, because we "need their talent" (Read: they will work cheaper than Americans in high tech sectors). He's also talking about how "farming" and "everybody" else needs it (more foreign cheap labor imports). Jobs for imported foreigners, but who will be losing out on those jobs, both skilled and unskilled, in the future that will be given away to the imports? Our kids and our grand kids, that's who. That is a foreign labor attack on all Americans, skilled and unskilled.

We're going to close the border (but not really!) "We're just going to make it legal (to let a lot of foreigners in)," is what I heard.

Perfect campaign slogan! Sure sounds like a "secure border" to me! America First (except when the monopolies demand more cheap labor)!

I did hear a rumor though that this time around he really is going to lock her up!

 

[Defilade]

"We're going to close the border, we're going to get the crooked ones out, the bad ones out. And we're going to let a lot of people come in, because we need more people, especially with AI coming. The farmers need it, everybody needs it but we're going to make sure they're not murderers and drug dealers."

x.com

x.com

Trump is going to "legally" let more foreigners into our country if he wins (his words), and don't worry they won't be criminals this time around. Double pinky swear!


See, the AI industry really needs foreign labor, as does the farming sector, and everyone else. And we know foreign countries are sending their best and brightest, right? And that the scum who run our government are going to make sure they are fully "vetted," right?

Don't forget that he's also promising to deport millions & millions of illegals too... Like that is ever going to happen.

It ought to be noted that the EU has been "legally" importing "migrants" into their countries for decades, and is now overrun with third world trash. Does anyone expect different here? Trump is not talking about importing just the "best and the brightest" here, as has been claimed by people here before, because we "need their talent" (Read: they will work cheaper than Americans in high tech sectors). He's also talking about how "farming" and "everybody" else needs it (more foreign cheap labor imports). Jobs for imported foreigners, but who will be losing out on those jobs, both skilled and unskilled, in the future that will be given away to the imports? Our kids and our grand kids, that's who. That is a foreign labor attack on all Americans, skilled and unskilled.

We're going to close the border (but not really!) "We're just going to make it legal (to let a lot of foreigners in)," is what I heard.

Perfect campaign slogan! Sure sounds like a "secure border" to me! America First (except when the monopolies demand more cheap labor)!

I did hear a rumor though that this time around he really is going to lock her up!

Idk. First he built the wall and claims to continue finishing it. I have also heard him speak numerous times of having the largest deportation program ever in history. All remains to be seen though.

 

[Saltwater60]

All I know is they are politicians trying to win an election. Trump isn’t that conservative but she scares the heck out of me. Trump just scares me. He’s not great with money either. Both will spend too much for my liking but Trump is for sure the least scary in terms of ruining the country.

 

[Willyone]

I dunno... with Trump sometimes you need to read between the lines. So he plans to allow good people to come into the country, and keep the invading scum bags out. I have no problem with that. I believe he'll do what he believes is good/best for the USA. No way do I believe he is out to bring the USA to her knees, like the left intends to do.

Seems it would be impossible to get the millions of recent bad invaders out, but I expect Trump would put forth an honest effort to do so. Who knows... maybe just wishful thinking on my part ?

 

[Koz]

No (well, very little) issue if they come legally and are fully vetted. What we have experienced with Dementia Joe and Kamaltoe is an INVASION of our southern and northern borders. Period! Those folks have got to go. If Trump want to grant citizenship, then let them take a number, get in line and wait a couple of decades until they can vote.
Frankly, I wouldn't trust most of them in our military or anywhere near our food supply or infrastructure! This is a disaster that will require a harsh, full blown, ugly battle. Not some half-baked, feel good, bullshit attempt at regaining our sovereignty.
I guarantee you if Trump tries to send even one illegal back to their homeland, the lunatic dems will begin impeachment proceedings.

 

[fresch]

If he wins the demonrats will do what they did last time, destruction, and tie him up in court.

 

[Defilade]

To be honest if I were Trump I would have ran on the ticket of No more immigration! Lock up the border! We as a Nation have done our part for decades with immigration! Now we are over run with illegals..... Kitchen is closed!

 

[spat]

"We're going to close the border, we're going to get the crooked ones out, the bad ones out. And we're going to let a lot of people come in, because we need more people, especially with AI coming. The farmers need it, everybody needs it but we're going to make sure they're not murderers and drug dealers."

x.com

x.com

Trump is going to "legally" let more foreigners into our country if he wins (his words), and don't worry they won't be criminals this time around. Double pinky swear!


See, the AI industry really needs foreign labor, as does the farming sector, and everyone else. And we know foreign countries are sending their best and brightest, right? And that the scum who run our government are going to make sure they are fully "vetted," right?

Don't forget that he's also promising to deport millions & millions of illegals too... Like that is ever going to happen.

It ought to be noted that the EU has been "legally" importing "migrants" into their countries for decades, and is now overrun with third world trash. Does anyone expect different here? Trump is not talking about importing just the "best and the brightest" here, as has been claimed by people here before, because we "need their talent" (Read: they will work cheaper than Americans in high tech sectors). He's also talking about how "farming" and "everybody" else needs it (more foreign cheap labor imports). Jobs for imported foreigners, but who will be losing out on those jobs, both skilled and unskilled, in the future that will be given away to the imports? Our kids and our grand kids, that's who. That is a foreign labor attack on all Americans, skilled and unskilled.

We're going to close the border (but not really!) "We're just going to make it legal (to let a lot of foreigners in)," is what I heard.

Perfect campaign slogan! Sure sounds like a "secure border" to me! America First (except when the monopolies demand more cheap labor)!

I did hear a rumor though that this time around he really is going to lock her up!

Refugees from the UK ?

Political prisoners who are being persecuted for thinking only women can bear children ?

Escapees from Cuba or some other communist shit hole with first hand experience of what the democrats policies lead to ?

If they're willing to fight against that sort of insanity, I think we might need the help.

Maybe we can trade them. We can send them a bunch of grievance studies experts in trade. They can help Castro or Xi get their communism right this time.

 

[byron]

Refugees from the UK ?

Political prisoners who are being persecuted for thinking only women can bear children ?

Escapees from Cuba or some other communist shit hole with first hand experience of what the democrats policies lead to ?

If they're willing to fight against that sort of insanity, I think we might need the help.

Maybe we can trade them. We can send them a bunch of grievance studies experts in trade. They can help Castro or Xi get their communism right this time.

sorry but it would be Miguel Diaz- Canel now Castro no longer in leadership.

 

[Saltwater60]

If he wins the demonrats will do what they did last time, destruction, and tie him up in court.

Is t it amazing they can do as they please but when a republican is in office a lot of the executive orders are illegal.

 

[RedBreast21]

Well that settles it, I'm with her.

Here's a thought. Why don't you and others simply go to and check the US dept of labor&Stats as well as visa requests for employment fields we are in need of. Fields that we need now, not in 10 years when young people decide to go into STEM instead of liberal arts.

So yeah, hire now from the long ass legal line and throw out the illegal wealthfare recipients. I'm good with that and then promote real education and cut Visa programs.

 

[Far king]

The stakes are far too high to have Trump loose this election.
The country is sinking fast into the communist abis which will only be hastened by a democrat win .
The liberties we are enjoying now can easily be erased as is the current trend in Europe, think free speech and gun rights! Radical climate change rules and regulations will likely make the decisions that will control too much of our lives and we won’t be able to do anything about it , you see, they know better than us.

In three and a half years Biden and Harris have welcomed as many as 12,000,000 aliens, many of whom are criminals and terrorists , rapists and murderers.
Anyone want to see what happens in 4 more years?
BTW they WILL be voting next time and at that point, the democrats can never loose .

This is no time to nitpick DJT .
There will be plenty of time for that later.

 

[John Stark]

This is no time to nitpick DJT .

No time to nitpick?

The guy ran on building a "big beautiful wall," and the idea that we were going to send these people back where they came from. It was one of the main centerpieces of his so-called campaign right along with "drain the swamp'"

For fucks sake he talked all the time about how foreigners and big corporate were abusing all kinds of work visas to steal jobs from Americans.

Now he's going to deport 10s of millions of illegals, while at the same time he's going to "legally" import all the cheap labor that his new corporate sponsors are demanding, into every sector of our economy.

Those 12 million you are talking about is probably half or more of the real number, because the government lies about everything and they (purposely) don't want or know the real number.

So lets add a lot of new imports via work visas so we can add them to the welfare and voter rolls too.

A lot of the foreigners who come here on work permits end up on permanent residence status, and then they use that to import their extended families from their homelands, who then go on welfare and commit crimes. The import with the work visa is almost never the only foreigner who ends up here due to that visa that gets granted. They take American jobs for a lot less because to them its a fortune compared to what they make back in their shithole countries.

12 million that you are talking about, which is probably more like 18 million or more, then add in "a lot of people" he's saying he now going to let in, is enough to change the our nation to the point that it will no longer be recognizable.

And that is a fucking nitpick?

Trump is never going to deport the "crooked ones, the bad ones" out. He might put on a show and deport a hundred here and 50 there, but millions and millions? Get real.

He didn't deport them before, he didn't build the wall, he made NO real attempts to introduce tougher laws to stop illegal immigration, and he didn't put a stop to the foreign work visa lottery winners he bitched about previously all through his campaign and his so-called "administration."

But he does an about face suddenly and everyone is rushing to defend the guy who is now promising to let a lot more foreigners in "legally." Who the fuck is going to "vet" them?

The deep state and the permanent bureaucratic class that runs DC and the Fed.gov all across the country, that's who. The Fed.gov union members who are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat mafia. Trump won't be vetting them himself obviously, and given his terrible cabinet picks the last time around, they won't being doing the dirty work either. And the Demscum are going to make sure most of those illegals and visa imports are voting D while they filter out the ones who might actually be an asset to our nation.

Trump is going to fuck his own supporters on this, and when he does, you guys will still be making pathetic excuses for him when he does it right to your face. Mark my words, because I don't state them lightly.

PS. If Trump had ever really been serious about our border "crisis." he could have called it a national security situation and closed the fucking border under his authority to uphold and defend our laws, but he didn't do that did he, even when had the authority and the man power to order it done.

Eisenhower did it.

 

[John Stark]

Refugees from the UK ?

Political prisoners who are being persecuted for thinking only women can bear children ?

Escapees from Cuba or some other communist shit hole with first hand experience of what the democrats policies lead to ?

If they're willing to fight against that sort of insanity, I think we might need the help.

Maybe we can trade them. We can send them a bunch of grievance studies experts in trade. They can help Castro or Xi get their communism right this time.

Yes that is what Trump is talking about, importing all of those poor and huddled masses who truly yearn for freedom.

I mean how pathetic are those statements you just made? I'd expect that pablum from a brainwashed high school kid maybe, but from a grown man?

 

[Far king]

No time to nitpick?

The guy ran on building a "big beautiful wall," and the idea that we were going to send these people back where they came from. It was one of the main centerpieces of his so-called campaign right along with "drain the swamp'"

For fucks sake he talked all the time about how foreigners and big corporate were abusing all kinds of work visas to steal jobs from Americans.

Now he's going to deport 10s of millions of illegals, while at the same time he's going to "legally" import all the cheap labor that his new corporate sponsors are demanding, into every sector of our economy.

Those 12 million you are talking about is probably half or more of the real number, because the government lies about everything and they (purposely) don't want or know the real number.

So lets add a lot of new imports via work visas so we can add them to the welfare and voter rolls too.

A lot of the foreigners who come here on work permits end up on permanent residence status, and then they use that to import their extended families from their homelands, who then go on welfare and commit crimes. The import with the work visa is almost never the only foreigner who ends up here due to that visa that gets granted. They take American jobs for a lot less because to them its a fortune compared to what they make back in their shithole countries.

12 million that you are talking about, which is probably more like 18 million or more, then add in "a lot of people" he's saying he now going to let in, is enough to change the our nation to the point that it will no longer be recognizable.

And that is a fucking nitpick?

Trump is never going to deport the "crooked ones, the bad ones" out. He might put on a show and deport a hundred here and 50 there, but millions and millions? Get real.

He didn't deport them before, he didn't build the wall, he made NO real attempts to introduce tougher laws to stop illegal immigration, and he didn't put a stop to the foreign work visa lottery winners he bitched about previously all through his campaign and his so-called "administration."

But he does an about face suddenly and everyone is rushing to defend the guy who is now promising to let a lot more foreigners in "legally." Who the fuck is going to "vet" them?

The deep state and the permanent bureaucratic class that runs DC and the Fed.gov all across the country, that's who. The Fed.gov union members who are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat mafia. Trump won't be vetting them himself obviously, and given his terrible cabinet picks the last time around, they won't being doing the dirty work either. And the Demscum are going to make sure most of those illegals and visa imports are voting D while they filter out the ones who might actually be an asset to our nation.

Trump is going to fuck his own supporters on this, and when he does, you guys will still be making pathetic excuses for him when he does it right to your face. Mark my words, because I don't state them lightly.

PS. If Trump had ever really been serious about our border "crisis." he could have called it a national security situation and closed the fucking border under his authority to uphold and defend our laws, but he didn't do that did he, even when had the authority and the man power to order it done.

Eisenhower did it.

THEN FUCKING VOTE FOR KAMALA !
He was building the wall
He was building a pipeline
He did have the border under control
He had his re election stolen from him and all that was reversed.

 

[Grimscale]

He didn't deport them before, he didn't build the wall, he made NO real attempts to introduce tougher laws to stop illegal immigration,

I seem to recall that he did everything a PRESIDENT could do.
Presidents don't MAKE the laws. That is up to the congresscritters, who we KNOW were snowballing every attempt to stymie plans to reduce the illegal invasion.
A President can use executive orders to influence how laws are enforced, but most of his attempts were thwarted by lawsuits by the Democrats.

You go on and keep blaming Trump for this mess. I'll keep blaming the Democrat congresscritters who actually did it.

Trump won't be vetting them himself obviously, and given his terrible cabinet picks the last time around, they won't being doing the dirty work either. And the Demscum are going to make sure most of those illegals and visa imports are voting D while they filter out the ones who might actually be an asset to our nation.

Oh, so you agree that it wasn't Trump that caused this, it was the Dems that were in positions of power.
so, just maybe, this time around he will do a better job "draining the swamp"? It's better than the alternative who IS the swamp!

I mean how pathetic are those statements you just made? I'd expect that pablum from a brainwashed high school kid maybe, but from a grown man?

Careful, your elitism is showing.

THEN FUCKING VOTE FOR KAMALA !

Certainly sounds like what he plans.

 

[livingston]

"We're going to close the border, we're going to get the crooked ones out, the bad ones out. And we're going to let a lot of people come in, because we need more people, especially with AI coming. The farmers need it, everybody needs it but we're going to make sure they're not murderers and drug dealers."

x.com

x.com

Trump is going to "legally" let more foreigners into our country if he wins (his words), and don't worry they won't be criminals this time around. Double pinky swear!


See, the AI industry really needs foreign labor, as does the farming sector, and everyone else. And we know foreign countries are sending their best and brightest, right? And that the scum who run our government are going to make sure they are fully "vetted," right?

Don't forget that he's also promising to deport millions & millions of illegals too... Like that is ever going to happen.

It ought to be noted that the EU has been "legally" importing "migrants" into their countries for decades, and is now overrun with third world trash. Does anyone expect different here? Trump is not talking about importing just the "best and the brightest" here, as has been claimed by people here before, because we "need their talent" (Read: they will work cheaper than Americans in high tech sectors). He's also talking about how "farming" and "everybody" else needs it (more foreign cheap labor imports). Jobs for imported foreigners, but who will be losing out on those jobs, both skilled and unskilled, in the future that will be given away to the imports? Our kids and our grand kids, that's who. That is a foreign labor attack on all Americans, skilled and unskilled.

We're going to close the border (but not really!) "We're just going to make it legal (to let a lot of foreigners in)," is what I heard.

Perfect campaign slogan! Sure sounds like a "secure border" to me! America First (except when the monopolies demand more cheap labor)!

I did hear a rumor though that this time around he really is going to lock her up!

Folks the bottom line is Trump needs support from others in the party. He had good ideas ... RINO's blocked him . This world has become more of a dangerous place. Correct me if I am wrong... He had Iran on the ropes ... almost into bankruptcy .... The communists in charge the last 4 years reversed that. ... The middle east is ready to explode. as a result. They shut down the coal companies ... How does one make steel ? Would we bring in steel from Korea if a war broke out ... Shipping lanes cut ? Look at the gas and oil production. . .... Folks If we had a major war break out we are ill prepared .... I believe... Trump would put us on solid footing. ... We are more dependent on foreign nations than ever.
Inflation is another large issue. Could Trump tackle this... Not alone. Folks are hurting out there. ... $200,000 for a starter home ... $50,000 + for a pick up truck. More government jobs created than private sector jobs .... Go buy food for a family and one spends a $ 500 Dollar bill...

This country is in a dangerous place ... The left created it ..... As far as immigration folks ... I don't think the left will allow what needs to be done .
This is their future voting block.... Every thing will be tied up in court... Obama judges will be deciding the cases.
As far as bringing more labor in for farms ... Go into the hood or just about anywhere ... and see who would pick apples or walk through manure on a dairy farm .. Jobs are there ... People will not do them. Our welfare system pays too well.

 

[spat]

Yes that is what Trump is talking about, importing all of those poor and huddled masses who truly yearn for freedom.

I mean how pathetic are those statements you just made? I'd expect that pablum from a brainwashed high school kid maybe, but from a grown man?

Who do *you* think Trump is talking about ?

The goal of immigration should always be to increase the number of highly competent people in the US and to exclude the useless.

If you're a doctor, or engineer or similar and you want to move here and adopt our culture then we should let you, I don't care where you're from or what color you are.

That is what immigration should be about, sorting the desirable from the undesirable.

 

[Willyone]

No time to nitpick?

The guy ran on building a "big beautiful wall," and the idea that we were going to send these people back where they came from. It was one of the main centerpieces of his so-called campaign right along with "drain the swamp'"

For fucks sake he talked all the time about how foreigners and big corporate were abusing all kinds of work visas to steal jobs from Americans.

Now he's going to deport 10s of millions of illegals, while at the same time he's going to "legally" import all the cheap labor that his new corporate sponsors are demanding, into every sector of our economy.

Those 12 million you are talking about is probably half or more of the real number, because the government lies about everything and they (purposely) don't want or know the real number.

So lets add a lot of new imports via work visas so we can add them to the welfare and voter rolls too.

A lot of the foreigners who come here on work permits end up on permanent residence status, and then they use that to import their extended families from their homelands, who then go on welfare and commit crimes. The import with the work visa is almost never the only foreigner who ends up here due to that visa that gets granted. They take American jobs for a lot less because to them its a fortune compared to what they make back in their shithole countries.

12 million that you are talking about, which is probably more like 18 million or more, then add in "a lot of people" he's saying he now going to let in, is enough to change the our nation to the point that it will no longer be recognizable.

And that is a fucking nitpick?

Trump is never going to deport the "crooked ones, the bad ones" out. He might put on a show and deport a hundred here and 50 there, but millions and millions? Get real.

He didn't deport them before, he didn't build the wall, he made NO real attempts to introduce tougher laws to stop illegal immigration, and he didn't put a stop to the foreign work visa lottery winners he bitched about previously all through his campaign and his so-called "administration."

But he does an about face suddenly and everyone is rushing to defend the guy who is now promising to let a lot more foreigners in "legally." Who the fuck is going to "vet" them?

The deep state and the permanent bureaucratic class that runs DC and the Fed.gov all across the country, that's who. The Fed.gov union members who are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat mafia. Trump won't be vetting them himself obviously, and given his terrible cabinet picks the last time around, they won't being doing the dirty work either. And the Demscum are going to make sure most of those illegals and visa imports are voting D while they filter out the ones who might actually be an asset to our nation.

Trump is going to fuck his own supporters on this, and when he does, you guys will still be making pathetic excuses for him when he does it right to your face. Mark my words, because I don't state them lightly.

PS. If Trump had ever really been serious about our border "crisis." he could have called it a national security situation and closed the fucking border under his authority to uphold and defend our laws, but he didn't do that did he, even when had the authority and the man power to order it done.

Eisenhower did it.

Bravo... quite the rant LOL. No doubt Trump made some bad staffing choices along with other mistakes... first term hated outsider learning curve. The president has limited power. Plus he had the Dems, many if not most Repubs, mainstream, military brass, and all the deep state swamp creatures piling on him, along with brainwashed citizens, all at the same time. Basically, with very few exceptions he was a one man team.

If he gets re-elected I hope and also expect this time around he'll bring a wrecking crew with him. But all of .gov and their minions are so fuking corrupt and so deeply entrenched there's no way he can do a total clean house like he says he wants to.

If there's someone else who can do a better job at straitening out our soon to be total shithole country, let's hear the name, or names.

C'mon man, waiting... ... ...

 

[John Stark]

THEN FUCKING VOTE FOR KAMALA !
He was building the wall
He was building a pipeline
He did have the border under control
He had his re election stolen from him and all that was reversed.

First off, I don't see anywhere in my posts on this thread where I am telling anybody who to vote for, so get a grip. Maybe you could extend that same courtesy.

As mentioned in another this thread: Will TRUMP Cost Us ANOTHER Election In 2024 ????, dozens of of posts in that thread refer talk about not caring about personality, mean tweets, dumb remarks, and the personal lives of politicians. Many members here claim that all they care about is POLICY. I think that its an error in judgment to not hold our "representatives" accountable, including their words and lifestyles (you get what you pay for), but its your prerogative to vote for who you want to vote for.

So I am talking policy, specifically Trump policy... and so that means I should vote for Demscum? I don't vote for Demscum.

I'm not making the policies that Trump is proposing, but you intimate basically that I'm a leftist that should vote for Heels Up because I criticize his immigration plan?

Now I got some other bad news for you. On top of the at least 12 million illegals allowed to invade our nation (your number, which is probably far too low), We have had decades of foreign invaders that have not been deported either. They are lawbreakers, but I will state this in strong terms: Trump isn't going to deport them either, or very few to keep the dog and pony show going.

So not only are we looking at not pushing the newest "newcomers" out of our nation, we can pretty much be assured that none of the other 10s of millions of illegals are going to be sent home either, even though they have broken our laws.

How large is the number of illegals who came previously before the Xoden invasion? Do you think Trump will deport them too?

And to add insult to injury and our own intellect, Trump wants A LOT more "legal" imports. He said that, I didn't.

That is exactly why Europe is even much further along the road of having their own nations stolen out from under them: their own political masters keep bringing in foreigners by hook or by crook, "legally and illegally," and then cram that down the throats of their own citizens. Europe is dead, and if we had any sense we would cut ties with them and dissolve the Five Eyes and most of other ties with Europe at this point. Its a dead man walking, and we are footing the bill for their security even though most EU nations are socialist.

I don't want our nation to be Europe, but perhaps its a fait accompli at this point.

But I will voice my disdain for this bullshit as long as I'm still free to write or speak about it. YMMV

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

All I know is they are politicians trying to win an election. Trump isn’t that conservative but she scares the heck out of me. Trump just scares me. He’s not great with money either. Both will spend too much for my liking but Trump is for sure the least scary in terms of ruining the country.

No trump is not some super conservative. I don't understand why people keep believing that he is. His opinions are actually very moderate.

Trump is not a conservative. The media has changed the definition of what an extreme conservative is, and an extreme conservative is anyone who isn't a staunch leftist.

Trumps policies (many of them at least) almost mirror exactly what Clinton campaigned on in the 90s and somehow when Clinton said the same things he's a great Democrat but when Trump says them 30 years later he's an extreme conservative.



Trump is a political "moderate" who has very strong "pro America" Patriotic nationalist views and has a strong populist message fighting the establishment and dares to fight hive-mind leftist Marxism.

Don't let people fall for this double speak of Trump being an extreme conservative because he isn't. The media outright lies and spreads genuine mis truths. Trump is absolutely outspoken and fights back but that doesn't equate to being conservative just because he opposes whats happening to our country.

 

[John Stark]

I seem to recall that he did everything a PRESIDENT could do.
Presidents don't MAKE the laws. That is up to the congresscritters, who we KNOW were snowballing every attempt to stymie plans to reduce the illegal invasion.
A President can use executive orders to influence how laws are enforced, but most of his attempts were thwarted by lawsuits by the Democrats.

Thanks for the elementary refresher on how our branches of government work. Very astute! I had completely forgotten that US Presidents "don't MAKE the laws."

Of course, you completely (and maybe purposely) ignored what I said: to whit, that Trump did very little to exert his influence on the House and the Senate when it came to putting a stop to the illegal invasion of our nation. Presidents have a lot of power when it comes to law making, obviously so when we consider their veto power. Any President that wants to tame our retarded lawmakers has many tools at his disposal to effect change for our nation, including legislation.

Beyond that, I would note you that you selectively quoted what I wrote to maintain your facade that "Trump did everything he could do."

Eisenhower actually used his power while in office, put a reliable man in to oversee the Border Patrol who DID implement Ike's policy on illegals, and then proceeded round up, arrested, and then to actually deport well over a million illegals. Rather than merely put on a show, he did not drop them at the border so they could sneak in, but sent them deep into Mexico so it would be a lot harder and costlier to get back to our border and reenter. Millions more illegals self deported, out of fear of getting caught and as they saw their job "opportunities" shrink. Eisenhower accomplished this by going after businesses that were breaking the law and hiring illegals for low wages and forced them to hire Americans and others here lawfully first before hiring any illegal imports. He instituted a work program that allowed foreigners to come here to work, but it was limited to about half a million IIRC and there was an actual system that vetted those imports. Going after a few businesses to start, this shook up the business community and self-corrected their hiring practices. Oddly, wages for Americans... went up! And businesses got the message to toe the line.

You go on and keep blaming Trump for this mess. I'll keep blaming the Democrat congresscritters who actually did it.

I am not blaming Trump for the current mess the Xiden regime has caused. I am blaming Trump for failing to use his vast powers to stop the problem... in his own term. Nice try at deflection though.

Oh, so you agree that it wasn't Trump that caused this, it was the Dems that were in positions of power.
so, just maybe, this time around he will do a better job "draining the swamp"? It's better than the alternative who IS the swamp!

What I said was that Trump was a terrible manager. He allowed numerous departments to flaunt his orders without consequence. There were hold overs of many past administrations who he left in power, some going back to the Carter and Reagan era. He did not clean house, and he paid the price for it as his entire "administration" hamstrung him from day one.

Who's administration was it? Last I checked, the Obamanation was out, Hillary was cooling her heals and seething that she lost, abd Xiden was merely waiting in the wings during Trump's 4 years. The buck stops with the President. Period, full stop. If his administration worked against his policy, then he actually should have used his famous "your fired" tagline from his TV show and FIRED THEIR ASSES, and then put compentent people in place who would follow his orders and directions.

Trump is a business man and a billionare, primarily building hotels, casinos, and golf courses but with a lot of other businesses and investments. People liked that he was not only an outsider, but that he had real life world experience at running multiple businesses and investment enterprises and being very successful at it. He is an American success story.

So, where was that acumen when it came to overseeing his own administration? It was not just lacking, it was conspiculously out of touch with reality. The buacracy and the Dem/Rep party trash saw that weakness and exploited that viciously.

People Is Policy. The guy who had no problem saying "your're fired" on national TV understands that, otherwise his busuness and investment ventures would have gone belly up. He did not build his fortune, fame, and power by letting subordinates ruin his business, and yet he let his own "administration" screw him at every turn with very little fight.

He refused to flex his muscle and take care of business. That's the harsh reality. He DID NOT do all he could have done on a whole host of things that brough him down and ended up with the Deep State and the buacrcy running his ass our of DC on a rail with a rigged election. That's a fact.

He could have ordered the border closed and he could have done a LOT more to put a stop to the illegals and the drug trade, but he DID NOT.

Careful, your elitism is showing.

Pffft.

I spent 30+ years in trucking, freezing my ass of in the winter delivering fuel and sweating to death doing dirty jobs like black top and concrete in 100 degree weather. Maybe that makes me an elitist, because I worked for my money instead of sticking my hand out so I could live high on the hog like the politicians do? Neither do I make any claim of being the "Working Man for the People."

Now I will admit to a certain kind of elitism, but its truly not my own. I believe wholeheartedly in our Declaration and our Constitution, even though I think we could strech our Freedoms a little further and enshrine those in our laws via the legislative process or Constitutional Amendment. That is not a criticsm of our Founders, as they themselves knew that they could not do the thinking on every topic for their nation in the limited time they had. I do not believe they were perfect men or women, and I don't drink fucking coolaid either. I support our nation as it was founded and our laws as they were intended. I have spent a lot of time reading and learnign about that, but I do not hold myself up as a scholar even though I have a degree in two different disciplines. I have gone beyond my education, but only in the sense that I have sought wisdom through my study of religion, history, and philosophy, that I have carried on with long since my diplomas became drek to me. I've tried to learn from my betters, but the fact remains that I have made my money by working for it, as most people do, and I have interacted with all walks of life, ages, "races," sexes, and so on. All I am is a trucker driver who like to read and think.

Certainly sounds like what he plans.

Yawn. Not only are your assumptions showing, so's your ass.

 

[fresch]

I hope President Trump learned his lesson.
How ever a business man is not a politician. He should be now.
To give you an idea, I had dealings with a large bank back in 1984, we were trying to start a printed circuit board manufacturing company, $500K from the SBA, sell $350K in prime stock (stock before it hits wall street), the rest from the bank, total ~1.3mill.,
In doing the dog and pony show we found out that the bank vp. didn't know it was normal for a business to give purchase orders for annual needs released at x amount every month so they could get a lower price.
I explained to him that when his bathroom needed toilet paper the janitor purchased it a year ago and didn't run to the store each time he needed to wipe.

 

[Mosinitis]

U.S. elections are a contest of lies and liars. Get with the program!

 

[GOYABEAN]

Showing up in Denver streets

 

[John Stark]

Who do *you* think Trump is talking about ?

The goal of immigration should always be to increase the number of highly competent people in the US and to exclude the useless.

If you're a doctor, or engineer or similar and you want to move here and adopt our culture then we should let you, I don't care where you're from or what color you are.

That is what immigration should be about, sorting the desirable from the undesirable.

I wonder about this post. Was your goal to paint me with the brush of racism with your comment about how YOU "don't care where you're from or what color you are."

I'll chock that up to a less than thoughtful grammar I suppose and move on. I hate racists and have been forced to put a few of them in their place. My posts on this topic have nothing at all to do with race. Racism is stupid. Hating anyone because of skin color is as stupid as hating someone because they have green eyes or red hair, or whether they are tall or short or fat or skinny.

My posts on this topic DO however touch on nationality, particularly when that nationality is likely tied to certain ideologies.

The measure of immigration first and foremost should deal with various questions:

Why should we let this person in? Are they criminals in their homeland? Are they tethered to a religion or an ideology that is anathema to our American system of government and laws? Do they speak English? Etc. Do they really believe in our Constitutional order and our laws and Rights, or are they sand bagging us?

When you state that you "don't care where" these imports come from, that is a bit if a tell isn't it?

You can wiggle around on that all you want, but it is in fact vitally important that we NOT import people who are from nations and cultures that do no believe in fundamental Rights and administer their governments in any of the multitude of bad religions and ideologies that are floating around out there.

How many sleeper jihadists are we going to let in from the terrible muslim countries? I note well that muslims are not all Arabs, ranging from black/brown, to asian, to white, and so on.

How many ChiComs? How many South Americans who have been steeped in socialism and communism all their lives? How many EU socialists should we import?

Perhaps you would say none of those, but I can't and won't attempt to speak for you.

Now you talk about these foreigners "adopting" our culture. First of all, you have made no attempt to define "our" culture, and you can believe me or not when I say that the people who make decisions on who gets in are not being made by good and patriotic Americans, but dyed in the wool Fed.gov trash.

You have the cart before the horse. Immigration to our nation, like to most nations, is a privilege not a mandate, and we have no obligation to let anyone in despte their skills or money. The rubric must and always be: We take care of our own before we let anyone else in. Our interests come first, even before needed skillsets and financial largese.

Getting anyone to "adopt our culture" is a tenous hope at best.

That does not mean that I think we should let no one come here, but as a practical matter lets be honest and understand that those of who are vetting these people either do shitty a job at it, they just don't care, or they have strings attached which someone else above them is pulling. Which is typical of an entrenched buacrcy that is coddled and hand held by their political masters.

Before we let more foreigners in, maybe we ought to tackle the fact that our immigration system is broken beyond repair and acknowledge the fact that that we do not have good people managing our nation. Maybe fix that first before our political masters campaign on letting "a lot more in?"

There are Americans who are murdered, raped, robber, trafficked, and so on, by illegals every day in our nation. That was the case before Xiden, and before Trump. Maybe we should put the brakes on for a bit until we get our own house in order?

I want a strict and orderly process. I don't want the monopolistic multinationals who operate in American (but hate their own people and country) to make immigration policy for us by spreading money and political favors around. I don't want to see Americans fired from their jobs en mass and forced to train their own foreign replacements.

I could make a long list of terrible crimes and terrorist incidents that fall squarly on the shoulders of whoever failed to vet the foreign perpetraters, but would their be a point to it?

Why are Americans the victims of foreigners who commit terrible crimes?

Its because we let them in, both legally and illegally. Is the priority to let more unvetted foreigners in, or is the goal to make sure as much as possible that are own citizens are not murdererd or raped or robbed by people who are not US citizens and don't have a Right to be here in the first place?

Why must America follow the suicidal Europeans into immigration madness than we already have? The natural born people in the various nations of Europe have already lost their own nations and culture.

And we're going to let a lot of people come in, because we really need more foreign people here?

And why, in the midst of an invasion by millions and millions and millions of illegals from all over the planet would Trump announce that in this political climate? Maybe he should wait until his ass is shining the seat in the Oval before he decides to stick the knife in during an already highly contested and vitriolic electoral season?

I mean, politicians usually betray their campaign promises AFTER they get in office, eh?

This excuse that we need more foreigners is bullshit. There is a larger picture here, and skills and money is not, and never should be, the rubric of why we let someone into our country.

 

[Mosinitis]

Stop fucking around all over the world and there will be less need for foreigners to take in and use to fuck around all over the world.

 

[spat]

I wonder about this post. Was your goal to paint me with the brush of racism with your comment about how YOU "don't care where you're from or what color you are."

I'll chock that up to a less than thoughtful grammar I suppose and move on. I hate racists and have been forced to put a few of them in their place. My posts on this topic have nothing at all to do with race. Racism is stupid. Hating anyone because of skin color is as stupid as hating someone because they have green eyes or red hair, or whether they are tall or short or fat or skinny.

My posts on this topic DO however touch on nationality, particularly when that nationality is likely tied to certain ideologies.

The measure of immigration first and foremost should deal with various questions:

Why should we let this person in? Are they criminals in their homeland? Are they tethered to a religion or an ideology that is anathema to our American system of government and laws? Do they speak English? Etc. Do they really believe in our Constitutional order and our laws and Rights, or are they sand bagging us?

When you state that you "don't care where" these imports come from, that is a bit if a tell isn't it?

You can wiggle around on that all you want, but it is in fact vitally important that we NOT import people who are from nations and cultures that do no believe in fundamental Rights and administer their governments in any of the multitude of bad religions and ideologies that are floating around out there.

How many sleeper jihadists are we going to let in from the terrible muslim countries? I note well that muslims are not all Arabs, ranging from black/brown, to asian, to white, and so on.

How many ChiComs? How many South Americans who have been steeped in socialism and communism all their lives? How many EU socialists should we import?

Perhaps you would say none of those, but I can't and won't attempt to speak for you.

Now you talk about these foreigners "adopting" our culture. First of all, you have made no attempt to define "our" culture, and you can believe me or not when I say that the people who make decisions on who gets in are not being made by good and patriotic Americans, but dyed in the wool Fed.gov trash.

You have the cart before the horse. Immigration to our nation, like to most nations, is a privilege not a mandate, and we have no obligation to let anyone in despte their skills or money. The rubric must and always be: We take care of our own before we let anyone else in. Our interests come first, even before needed skillsets and financial largese.

Getting anyone to "adopt our culture" is a tenous hope at best.

That does not mean that I think we should let no one come here, but as a practical matter lets be honest and understand that those of who are vetting these people either do shitty a job at it, they just don't care, or they have strings attached which someone else above them is pulling. Which is typical of an entrenched buacrcy that is coddled and hand held by their political masters.

Before we let more foreigners in, maybe we ought to tackle the fact that our immigration system is broken beyond repair and acknowledge the fact that that we do not have good people managing our nation. Maybe fix that first before our political masters campaign on letting "a lot more in?"

There are Americans who are murdered, raped, robber, trafficked, and so on, by illegals every day in our nation. That was the case before Xiden, and before Trump. Maybe we should put the brakes on for a bit until we get our own house in order?

I want a strict and orderly process. I don't want the monopolistic multinationals who operate in American (but hate their own people and country) to make immigration policy for us by spreading money and political favors around. I don't want to see Americans fired from their jobs en mass and forced to train their own foreign replacements.

I could make a long list of terrible crimes and terrorist incidents that fall squarly on the shoulders of whoever failed to vet the foreign perpetraters, but would their be a point to it?

Why are Americans the victims of foreigners who commit terrible crimes?

Its because we let them in, both legally and illegally. Is the priority to let more unvetted foreigners in, or is the goal to make sure as much as possible that are own citizens are not murdererd or raped or robbed by people who are not US citizens and don't have a Right to be here in the first place?

Why must America follow the suicidal Europeans into immigration madness than we already have? The natural born people in the various nations of Europe have already lost their own nations and culture.

And we're going to let a lot of people come in, because we really need more foreign people here?

And why, in the midst of an invasion by millions and millions and millions of illegals from all over the planet would Trump announce that in this political climate? Maybe he should wait until his ass is shining the seat in the Oval before he decides to stick the knife in during an already highly contested and vitriolic electoral season?

I mean, politicians usually betray their campaign promises AFTER they get in office, eh?

This excuse that we need more foreigners is bullshit. There is a larger picture here, and skills and money is not, and never should be, the rubric of why we let someone into our country.

My comments about race being irrelevant have nothing to do with you. They were targeted at the nearly universal idea that leftists have that anyone opposed to a completely uncontrolled border just "wants to keep the brown people out".

Unlike the average Democrat voter I do not see racists behind every blade of grass.

I agree with you about some cultures being incompatible with ours. I don't think this should be considered geographically though. I think a prerequisite for immigration should be that the candidate wants to adopt our culture. If they want to maintain theirs, they should stay where it is currently practiced.

But, some of the best candidates for immigration, candidates who want to embrace American culture wholeheartedly, are from places where the existing culture is diametrically opposed to it.

Some of the best opponents of the collectivist bullshit that the left is selling are people who saw it first hand.

Ayn Rand didn't bring Soviet style commuism with her when she came here. She brought a seething hatred of it that only someone who has suffered under it can appreciate.

I'd much rather populate our communities with the type of people who escaped North Korea, Cuba, or East Germany by risking their lives than I would people who's family came over on the mayflower, and just spent $300k and 10 years getting a degree that ends in the word "studies".

 

[Jcp123]

Maybe it’s because I’ve lived in border states (California and Texas) my whole life, but I’ve lived and been around a lot of Latin communities. The notion that it’s a bunch of trashy bumbling hillbillyesque ne’er-do-wells isn’t really truth. Yeah, I’d like to see these folks vetted better who are not coming here to just better themselves (have you heard of the cartel grow ops in California?!), but most are really kind people who are just trying to get by. There’s a measure of petty crime which goes on but not notably more than other new groups or marginalized people. Also, the groups coming here which don’t have nefarious aims self-select. They are not the dregs, who often don’t have the funds, knowledge, or wherewithal to get here. I get being frustrated by the flows of illegals, but I don’t understand either the panic or the rather uncharitable characterizations of the people. I do think places further from the border are a bit more understandable as I’ve seen like…5 Hispanics who aren’t from PR up here, so there’s not much familiarity with the groups getting smuggled over the Mexican border.

So, my compromise is not entirely unlike what Trump is saying: let’s get the immigration system juiced up and begin letting more folks in legally, because otherwise they’ll keep coming in illegally with more risks of actually dangerous people or diseases slipping by with safety-in-numbers protection.

 

[spat]

Maybe it’s because I’ve lived in border states (California and Texas) my whole life, but I’ve lived and been around a lot of Latin communities. The notion that it’s a bunch of trashy bumbling hillbillyesque ne’er-do-wells isn’t really truth. Yeah, I’d like to see these folks vetted better who are not coming here to just better themselves (have you heard of the cartel grow ops in California?!), but most are really kind people who are just trying to get by. There’s a measure of petty crime which goes on but not notably more than other new groups or marginalized people. Also, the groups coming here which don’t have nefarious aims self-select. They are not the dregs, who often don’t have the funds, knowledge, or wherewithal to get here. I get being frustrated by the flows of illegals, but I don’t understand either the panic or the rather uncharitable characterizations of the people. I do think places further from the border are a bit more understandable as I’ve seen like…5 Hispanics who aren’t from PR up here, so there’s not much familiarity with the groups getting smuggled over the Mexican border.

So, my compromise is not entirely unlike what Trump is saying: let’s get the immigration system juiced up and begin letting more folks in legally, because otherwise they’ll keep coming in illegally with more risks of actually dangerous people or diseases slipping by with safety-in-numbers protection.

Living a couple miles from the border, in a community where they speak Spanish at the drive through and switch to English when you say hello, I wholeheartedly agree.

I would trade the average urban idiot from the US for rhe average rural Mexican in a minute. The Mexican's aren't afraid of hard worm, and they're smart enough to know the difference between a man and a woman.

I realize that's not a very high bar to set, but half of this country can no longer meet it.