Two East Greenbush Residents Arrested for Possessing a Loaded Handgun

[GOYABEAN]

New York State Police Newsroom: Two East Greenbush Residents Arrested for Possessing a Loaded Handgun

 

[Wraith]

They seem like winners. I’m guessing they didn’t have their permits and the magazines probably weren’t 10rds.

 

[Shadow2]

Curious what is someone had zero criminal record and made a conscious decision to acquire a hand gun via constitutional carry?
I would assume you'd still call them losers for not complying with the laws we all disagree with.

 

[Wraith]

Curious what is someone had zero criminal record and made a conscious decision to acquire a hand gun via constitutional carry?
I would assume you'd still call them losers for not complying with the laws we all disagree with.

If they’re law-abiding otherwise I’d be less inclined to call them pond scum. Mix drugs and guns and I have a problem.

 

[Acer-m14]

all charges dropped but the Criminal Possession of a weapon 4th (gravity knife) ..fkin assult knife act ..

 

[Acer-m14]

Mix drugs and guns and I have a problem

hope you never get a Adrenalin rush on the gun range .. guns and drug ..

 

[Marine Cpl]

If they’re law-abiding otherwise I’d be less inclined to call them pond scum. Mix drugs and guns and I have a problem.

Why? What you're saying is that is okay to infringe on somebody's constitutional rights if they did something else.

So let's say for argument's sake, they got caught with a joint. Would you be okay if they were denied a lawyer, denied a jury of their peers, and sentenced harshly with no bail?

 

[Wraith]

Why? What you're saying is that is okay to infringe on somebody's constitutional rights if they did something else.

So let's say for argument's sake, they got caught with a joint. Would you be okay if they were denied a lawyer, denied a jury of their peers, and sentenced harshly with no bail?

I’m saying that if you are caught with drugs and a firearm you should be held responsible for that behavior. I do not agree with and can not condone mixing drugs and guns. There are very few instances I can think of where I’d need marijuana and a firearm.

Should he be striped of his 2A? No, but should his decision to have a firearm on him while transporting drugs not be considered an escalation? A harsher punishment most certainly should be conveyed and once his debt is paid his right should be re-instated.

 

[spat]

I’m saying that if you are caught with drugs and a firearm you should be held responsible for that behavior. I do not agree with and can not condone mixing drugs and guns. There are very few instances I can think of where I’d need marijuana and a firearm.

Should he be striped of his 2A? No, but should his decision to have a firearm on him while transporting drugs not be considered an escalation? A harsher punishment most certainly should be conveyed and once his debt is paid his right should be re-instated.

Which should he be punished for, the audacity to exercise his 2A rights, or possessing a weed that will be shortly decriminalized anyway ?

 

[Wraith]

Which should he be punished for, the audacity to exercise his 2A rights, or possessing a weed that will be shortly decriminalized anyway ?

The possession of a controlled substance with a modifier for having a firearm.

I think it similar to drinking and driving. You can do one or the other but should never mix the two.

 

[spat]

The possession of a controlled substance with a modifier for having a firearm.

I think it similar to drinking and driving. You can do one or the other but should never mix the two.

By this time next year, that particular substance will probably no longer be controlled anyway.

But just curious, does this apply to Alcohol, or just drugs that are currently out of fashion ?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Does the Constitution say "Shall not be infringed unless drugs or alcohol are in the equation whether by possession or ingestion?"

If I have a drink at home or even outside, do my constitutional rights become forfeit?

 

[Wraith]

By this time next year, that particular substance will probably no longer be controlled anyway.

But just curious, does this apply to Alcohol, or just drugs that are currently out of fashion ?

I think it would apply to all drugs of abuse. If you want to smoke meth, hit heroin or drink beer, I don’t personally care. I just believe at that point common sense should kick in and that person lock up their firearm.

Now, if you commit a crime with a firearm. Modifier.

Can’t say I know too many instances where I’d need to be driving around with a drug of abuse and a gun.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Can’t say I know too many instances where I’d need to be driving around with a drug of abuse and a gun.

What if you are prescribed Tylenol with codeine? Will you go unarmed to the pharmacy to pick it up? The next day while it's in your system, do you go unarmed?

Where does it end? NyQuil has alcohol.

 

[spat]

I think it would apply to all drugs of abuse. If you want to smoke meth, hit heroin or drink beer, I don’t personally care. I just believe at that point common sense should kick in and that person lock up their firearm.

Now, if you commit a crime with a firearm. Modifier.

Can’t say I know too many instances where I’d need to be driving around with a drug of abuse and a gun.

But these 2 could have had the gun locked in a safe with the ammo in a separate safe and they still would have been charged with possession of a loaded gun in NY.

Should you have to turn all your guns over to an FFL before you have a beer ?

 

[Wraith]

Does the Constitution say "Shall not be infringed unless drugs or alcohol are in the equation whether by possession or ingestion?"

If I have a drink at home or even outside, do my constitutional rights become forfeit?

No, not in the least. Do you.

Hurt someone or commit a crime while also in possession of a firearm and I hope they punish you to the furthest extent of the law.

Now, is this guy in the wrong for having marijuana (if he did, I didn’t see the article identify the drug), yes. Do I care, not really. If he’s under the influence and driving and/or with a gun in public

What if you are prescribed Tylenol with codeine? Will you go unarmed to the pharmacy to pick it up? The next day while it's in your system, do you go unarmed?

You make a great point. I’m not saying my belief is one size fits all as you believe. I do, however, feel that mixing drugs of abuse and firearms should be heavily considered when a crime is committed.

I think the crime should be punished severe enough that the guilty party thinks long and hard before doing a similar action again.

 

[Wraith]

But these 2 could have had the gun locked in a safe with the ammo in a separate safe and they still would have been charged with possession of a loaded gun in NY.

Should you have to turn all your guns over to an FFL before you have a beer ?

If the goal of the beer is to blunt your senses, why carry a gun if you’re less effective with it but you’re so concerned for your well-being? If you’re not trying to blunt your senses,why bother with the beer?

Or is it you just want the freedom to do so? If it’s this, I get that, but do it at home. At home, as long as no one else is at risk. Go HAM, Darwin Awards ensue.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No, not in the least. Do you.

Hurt someone or commit a crime while also in possession of a firearm and I hope they punish you to the furthest extent of the law.

Now, is this guy in the wrong for having marijuana (if he did, I didn’t see the article identify the drug), yes. Do I care, not really. If he’s under the influence and driving and/or with a gun in public

If you hurt someone or commit a crime while in possession of a firearm, you should get charged with the crime you committed. Whether you have a gun or not is irrelevant just the same as if you have a knife or screwdriver in your pocket.

Example.
I rob someone with a Leatherman knife/tool in my pocket. My charge should be robbery.

I rob someone with a gun on my hip. My charge should be robbery.

I use the gun or the Leatherman and kill the person with it. My charge should be murder.

Gun charges should never exist just the same as 1st Amendment charges shouldn't exist. I think that you think the way that you do is because of conditioning. You've been conditioned to think that gun charges are legal.

 

[Marine Cpl]

If the goal of the beer is to blunt your senses, why carry a gun if you’re less effective with it but you’re so concerned for your well-being? If you’re not trying to blunt your senses,why bother with the beer?

Or is it you just want the freedom to do so? If it’s this, I get that, but do it at home. At home, as long as no one else is at risk. Go HAM, Darwin Awards ensue.

Are you allowed to speak your mind with your senses blunted? Self-defense should be no different. I know it sounds crazy to you but one right isn't more or less important than the another.

I should be able to defend myself from death, bodily harm, or rape even if I have a drink.

 

[spat]

If the goal of the beer is to blunt your senses, why carry a gun if you’re less effective with it but you’re so concerned for your well-being? If you’re not trying to blunt your senses,why bother with the beer?

Or is it you just want the freedom to do so? If it’s this, I get that, but do it at home. At home, as long as no one else is at risk. Go HAM, Darwin Awards ensue.

I agree that alcohol and guns don't mix.

But this is not a case of being charged with misusing a gun while drunk. This is a case of being charged for possessing a gun and a drug at the same time.

Should you not be allowed to carry when you go to the grocery store, if you plan on buying beer while you're there ?

 

[Wraith]

If you hurt someone or commit a crime while in possession of a firearm, you should get charged with the crime you committed. Whether you have a gun or not is irrelevant just the same as if you have a knife or screwdriver in your pocket.

Example.
I rob someone with a Leatherman knife/tool in my pocket. My charge should be robbery.

I rob someone with a gun on my hip. My charge should be robbery.

I use the gun or the Leatherman and kill the person with it. My charge should be murder.

Gun charges should never exist just the same as 1st Amendment charges shouldn't exist. I think that you think the way that you do is because of conditioning. You've been conditioned to think that gun charges are legal.

I can get behind this. It’s a good arguement. I struggle with some of it though but maybe it’s that conditioning.

 

[Wraith]

I agree that alcohol and guns don't mix.

But this is not a case of being charged with misusing a gun while drunk. This is a case of being charged for possessing a gun and a drug at the same time.

Should you not be allowed to carry when you go to the grocery store, if you plan on buying beer while you're there ?

I may have jumped to conclusions and just assumed the gun was going to be used in commission of a crime. Maybe they weren’t. Maybe they were gonna go back home and celebrate their kids birthday. Maybe they were planning on getting all merged up and robbing a convenience store and putting two into the girl behind the counter. Who knows.

Maybe I jumped the gun.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I'm a little confused here. Were they charged with possession of a loaded handgun because they did not have a pistol permit or did they have a permit but they had a loaded handgun in the car?

 

[Wraith]

I'm a little confused here. Were they charged with possession of a loaded handgun because they did not have a pistol permit or did they have a permit but they had a loaded handgun in the car?

The article doesn’t say. However, I’m under the belief for transporting a loaded firearm in a vehicle a CCW’er is required to have the firearm on them during transport.

That both were charged makes me believe it was found in a common area and no one wanted the charge because it “isn’t mine”.

Again, this is speculation.