UK on strike but mainly junior doctors over pay of $17/hour

[Saltwater60]

Yeah that’s right this is the health care set up the USA wants to follow. Doctors starting out at $17.09/ hour? What a joke. Well now they are on strike and some essential cancer treatments won’t occur all the way down to normal annual appointments. Sounds like many, many more will strike as well from train workers to civil servants.
I thought everyone was treated so fairly in socialist countries and everyone had fair wages? I mean, clearly, a few hundred thousand socialist workers can’t be wrong about unfair pay can they be? Or is Biden and sanders right?

UK doctors begin three-day strike in pay dispute

Thousands of junior doctors in England walked out on Monday in three-day strike that will disrupt patient care, as they protest over pay they say can work out at less per hour than a barista.

www.reuters.com

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Yeah that’s right this is the health care set up the USA wants to follow. Doctors starting out at $17.09/ hour? What a joke. Well now they are on strike and some essential cancer treatments won’t occur all the way down to normal annual appointments. Sounds like many, many more will strike as well from train workers to civil servants.
I thought everyone was treated so fairly in socialist countries and everyone had fair wages? I mean, clearly, a few hundred thousand socialist workers can’t be wrong about unfair pay can they be? Or is Biden and sanders right?

UK doctors begin three-day strike in pay dispute

Thousands of junior doctors in England walked out on Monday in three-day strike that will disrupt patient care, as they protest over pay they say can work out at less per hour than a barista.

www.reuters.com

That's messed up. I have doctor's in my family no change they go through med school to start off making a hair above minimum wage. Its Also the reason I stopped pursuing becoming a commercial pilot because to get a good career you have to put yourself in obscene amounts of debt for years to only start off on poverty wages your first couple years. No thanks. But I digress...


I've changed my opinion somewhat over time on this topic. I think it's very wrong for people to go bankrupt paying for medical treatments. Especially those who try to do things right, work etc...


There has to be a better way so people aren't spending such crazy % of their income on medical insurance and even still their plans aren't very good or likely are high deductibles before they even provide any pay back.

I genuinely don't know what the right answer is. Some people in Canada seem very happy with their plan. Some don't like it.

 

[Saltwater60]

That's messed up. I have doctor's in my family no change they go through med school to start off making a hair above minimum wage. Its Also the reason I stopped pursuing becoming a commercial pilot because to get a good career you have to put yourself in obscene amounts of debt for years to only start off on poverty wages your first couple years. No thanks. But I digress...


I've changed my opinion somewhat over time on this topic. I think it's very wrong for people to go bankrupt paying for medical treatments. Especially those who try to do things right, work etc...


There has to be a better way so people aren't spending such crazy % of their income on medical insurance and even still their plans aren't very good or likely are high deductibles before they even provide any pay back.

I genuinely don't know what the right answer is. Some people in Canada seem very happy with their plan. Some don't like it.

Agreed if the health issue isn’t their fault. There are protections for medical debt and they can’t steal your house or car to get the money.
Im not sure why anyone would become a doctor for that pay. No way I’d do it.

 

[Cavalry]

Am I reading that article correctly? They are on strike and their demand is to get back to £19?

Thats under $23 an hour.... I wouldn't get out of bed for $23 an hour.

 

[dwa12479]

You do have to remember too that UK citizens are subsidized on almost everything. The pay is low, but so are their costs. Medical degrees are under $10k / year as opposed to $50k or more here. They also have universal health care, so no costs tho their residents. Whereas I pay about $300/week in premiums and HSA etc. Its all relative.

 

[subsonic]

Some bad news for you prospective doctors, if you think starting pay for junior doctors there being less than a Pret a Manger barista is bad ... in the UK medical school is straight out of their equivalent of high school and lasts between 4 to 6 years, with 4 years being normal for physicians.

In the USA medical school is normally 4 years of education after a bachelor's degree that meets admission requirements, which is also normally 4 years. A first year intern out of medical school gets a basic salary, which currently averages around $48K. This is considered part of the doctor's training; doctors normally start making real money after they finish their residency (which is at least three years, for a basic residency in internal or family medicine). Intern salary is "exempt" so there is typically an enormous amount of UNPAID mandatory overtime. Hourly pay can often end up being LESS than a Starbucks barista or a McDonald's cashier, for a doctor with 8 years of postsecondary education and 20+ years of schooling.

Needless to say this makes it tough for talented poors to break into medicine. It certainly does pay off if you stick with it even with debt financing.

This is another reason why so many American doctors are quitting primary care and we're importing so may foreign-educated doctors especially in primary care. The medical cartel also artificially limits the number of medical school and residency slots that are available.

 

[Saltwater60]

You do have to remember too that UK citizens are subsidized on almost everything. The pay is low, but so are their costs. Medical degrees are under $10k / year as opposed to $50k or more here. They also have universal health care, so no costs tho their residents. Whereas I pay about $300/week in premiums and HSA etc. Its all relative.

Yes everything is heavily subsidized there and most of Europe.
I was in France and saw this first hand. I will say if this country goes to shit I will seriously consider retiring to the countryside of France. I was there and it’s simply gorgeous. No k e there to bother you. We were in midsized cities and zero cops around and I felt 100% safe. Homes are cheap, food is cheap and way better. Lots of free food around as well. A visit to the beach can yield you what would cost $100’s for dinner around here. An entire pot full of mussels for my son was like $14 at a nice restaurant. I can’t buy them for that around here. There’s some good in this lifestyle. Of course if I’m retired I won’t be paying for the benefits of that lifestyle but reaping the benefits. $150,000 will buy you a nice little old house with good land for a small farm.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Yet another reason to do what you can lifestyle wise and do your best to not rely on the medical profession.

 

[pjzwtl]

Hmm maybe it’s the .govs constant tinkering that causes half of the issues in the first place. The whole concept of medical insurance is that it has become anything but. If the gov ( mainly states like NY) made the same demands on auto insurance policies it would subsidize your gas , pay for your oil change and other routine maintenance. Of course it would quickly become unaffordable… probably by design.

 

[John Stark]

I genuinely don't know what the right answer is. Some people in Canada seem very happy with their plan. Some don't like it.

Like most things in the United States today, the answer is to get .Gov (especially the Feds and the States) out of the business of running (and thus ruining) businesses; to break up the corporate cartels and monopolies that own everything by buying up smaller businesses that go bankrupt due to the laws, regulations, taxes, and nanny state bullshit the Feds and the States use to punish and destroy them; and to criminalize the lobbyists that work for the corporate cartels and monopolies that bribe and suborn our "representatives" and "public servants" right along with the entrenched, permanent cartel of unionized bureaucrats at all levels of government that are propped up to ensure that nothing ever changes no matter who is elected.

Its not our Constitutional order of government (as laid out by our Founders) that is the problem, it is the fascist, hijacked political order that has usurped our Constitutional order that is the problem.

Call it what you will, a long running coup or hostile takeover, its all the same in the end.

Tyranny.

 

[OwnTheRide]

Agreed if the health issue isn’t their fault.

That's a very slippery slope that we definitely should not go down. It's not hard to find ways to blame people for their health issues.

What you're saying is akin to "everyone should have guns except the mentally ill." As we've seen in NY, the definition of "mentally ill" quickly devolved into "anyone who has ever taken an anti-depressant for any reason."

I know the basis of your statement is something along the lines of "I don't want to pay for smoker's lung cancer," but you need to remember that the government would quickly start blaming, say, non-smoking concrete contractors for their lung cancer. After all, they could have picked a different career, or quit their concrete work at anytime, right?

No one should be going bankrupt over necessary medical treatments. Just stop there. Hell, that may be going too far already since I used the word "necessary." I meant that we shouldn't be paying for, say, breast augmentation. Easy to agree to, right? Well, some government jackass will pick that up and run with it, deciding that breast augmentation for women who have undergone a mastectomy is unnecessary. Or that physical therapy after surgery isn't necessary. So on and so forth.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It applies everywhere the government is involved.

 

[Beerman]

Defund the government.

 

[Saltwater60]

Defund the government.

Been saying this for years. If we all claimed exempt and stopped paying taxes this could happen quickly.