Updates on Antonyuk v. Bruen

[Edwardteach72]

Not much longer. Looking forward honestly to @Edwardteach72 s breakdown of the ruling. Usually very in depth.

I'm thinking we won't get to much other than if the stay is or isn't granted at this point


But more importantly.. Monday. Judge Benitez (District Court Judge in California) has set the first court date in Miller V Bonta. California AWB.

So that could be nothing more than going over some procedural house keeping, or it could be a very big day in California

 

[Saltwater60]

Tick tock, tick tock. Not much left since he doesn’t work weekends. Three days, but that should be plenty of time.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I would like to know what areas will be affected by his decision. Would it apply to western NY (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and close by areas)?

IF, he grants an injunction, I wonder if it would change things like stadiums for example. It would be nice to be able to carry at Highmark Stadium during the Buffalo Wingfest on Labor Day weekend since I will be in Buffalo attending that!

 

[Acer-m14]

But more importantly.. Monday. Judge Benitez (District Court Judge in California) has set the first court date in Miller V Bonta. California AWB.

So that could be nothing more than going over some procedural house keeping, or it could be a very big day in California

. might be a wrinkle .. paper filed ..

 

[Edwardteach72]

. might be a wrinkle .. paper filed ..

Yup Cali passed that law a few months ago

 

[nortatoga]

I would like to know what areas will be affected by his decision. Would it apply to western NY (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and close by areas)?

IF, he grants an injunction, I wonder if it would change things like stadiums for example. It would be nice to be able to carry at Highmark Stadium during the Buffalo Wingfest on Labor Day weekend since I will be in Buffalo attending that!

Looks like you're out of luck..

Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium Gate Entry and Permitted Items | Highmark Stadium | Buffalo Bills - buffalobills.com

GATE ENTRY​

Walk-through metal detection screening process is now in place at the stadium.

PROHIBITED ITEMS​

• Battery operated clothing (socks, jackets, etc.)
• Tobacco products - including cigarettes/electronic cigarettes, chewing tobacco, lighters/matches
• Drones, Unmanned Aircraft Devices
• Alcoholic beverages, illegal substances
• Animals (with the exception of service animals for guests with disabilities)
• Clutch bags not to exceed 4.5" x 6.5"
• Beach balls, footballs, balls, inflatable devices (balloons)
• Bottles, cans, thermoses, and other beverage containers
• Cameras with lenses longer than six (6) inches
• Clothing or material with profane language or obscene graphics
• Fireworks
• Headwear or clothing that may impede the view of guests
• Laptop computers, radios
• Laser pointer devices, noisemakers
• Promotional materials not approved by the Bills
• Seat cushions larger than 15" x 15" or that contain armrests, zippers, pockets, flaps or metal backs
• Selfie sticks, sticks or poles
• Strollers
• Umbrellas
• Video cameras, monopods and tripods
• Weapons (knives, box-cutters, firearms, etc.)
• Any other item deemed dangerous or inappropriate

 

[Dr. Evil]

. might be a wrinkle .. paper filed ..

I hope and pray that the bastards get theirs.

 

[ManualF150]

Looks like you're out of luck..

Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium Gate Entry and Permitted Items | Highmark Stadium | Buffalo Bills - buffalobills.com

GATE ENTRY​

Walk-through metal detection screening process is now in place at the stadium.

PROHIBITED ITEMS​

• Battery operated clothing (socks, jackets, etc.)
• Tobacco products - including cigarettes/electronic cigarettes, chewing tobacco, lighters/matches
• Drones, Unmanned Aircraft Devices
• Alcoholic beverages, illegal substances
• Animals (with the exception of service animals for guests with disabilities)
• Clutch bags not to exceed 4.5" x 6.5"
• Beach balls, footballs, balls, inflatable devices (balloons)
• Bottles, cans, thermoses, and other beverage containers
• Cameras with lenses longer than six (6) inches
• Clothing or material with profane language or obscene graphics
• Fireworks
• Headwear or clothing that may impede the view of guests
• Laptop computers, radios
• Laser pointer devices, noisemakers
• Promotional materials not approved by the Bills
• Seat cushions larger than 15" x 15" or that contain armrests, zippers, pockets, flaps or metal backs
• Selfie sticks, sticks or poles
• Strollers
• Umbrellas
• Video cameras, monopods and tripods
• Weapons (knives, box-cutters, firearms, etc.)
• Any other item deemed dangerous or inappropriate

I'm a HAM radio operator. I generally carry my small quad bander with me. I guess between the knives, the firearms, and now radios, I won't be going there. Too risky.

I find it funny the put out cameras with lenses longer than 6 inches... my Nikon D500 has a 600mm that is meant for sports photography, guess I can't use that either because it would make my camera's glass way longer than 6 inches...

What a shame.

 

[Acer-m14]

I find it funny the put out cameras with lenses longer than 6 inches... my Nikon D500 has a 600mm that is meant for sports photography, guess I can't use that either because it would make my camera's glass way longer than 6 inches...

print your own press pass ..

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Looks like you're out of luck..

Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium Gate Entry and Permitted Items | Highmark Stadium | Buffalo Bills - buffalobills.com

GATE ENTRY​

Walk-through metal detection screening process is now in place at the stadium.

PROHIBITED ITEMS​

• Battery operated clothing (socks, jackets, etc.)
• Tobacco products - including cigarettes/electronic cigarettes, chewing tobacco, lighters/matches
• Drones, Unmanned Aircraft Devices
• Alcoholic beverages, illegal substances
• Animals (with the exception of service animals for guests with disabilities)
• Clutch bags not to exceed 4.5" x 6.5"
• Beach balls, footballs, balls, inflatable devices (balloons)
• Bottles, cans, thermoses, and other beverage containers
• Cameras with lenses longer than six (6) inches
• Clothing or material with profane language or obscene graphics
• Fireworks
• Headwear or clothing that may impede the view of guests
• Laptop computers, radios
• Laser pointer devices, noisemakers
• Promotional materials not approved by the Bills
• Seat cushions larger than 15" x 15" or that contain armrests, zippers, pockets, flaps or metal backs
• Selfie sticks, sticks or poles
• Strollers
• Umbrellas
• Video cameras, monopods and tripods
• Weapons (knives, box-cutters, firearms, etc.)
• Any other item deemed dangerous or inappropriate

I know that. However, the stadium is a public facility owned by the taxpayers. It is not privately owned. Hochul’s bullshit CCIA makes it illegal to carry in stadiums. And yet BRUEN says you cannot make stadiums off limits to carrying.

I’m pretty sure I am out of luck as the anti gun assholes will fight tooth and nail to prevent it. But IF Judge Suddaby issues an injunction and overturns it, seems like it would be legal for me to carry there… That, and I suppose that if I went there and they turned me away at the gates, (with an injunction in place), would turning me away give me a case to sue their asses over? Or, would they arrest me for just carrying in the parking lots outside the stadium?

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Looks like you're out of luck..

Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium Gate Entry and Permitted Items | Highmark Stadium | Buffalo Bills - buffalobills.com

GATE ENTRY​

Walk-through metal detection screening process is now in place at the stadium.

PROHIBITED ITEMS​

• Battery operated clothing (socks, jackets, etc.)
• Tobacco products - including cigarettes/electronic cigarettes, chewing tobacco, lighters/matches
• Drones, Unmanned Aircraft Devices
• Alcoholic beverages, illegal substances
• Animals (with the exception of service animals for guests with disabilities)
• Clutch bags not to exceed 4.5" x 6.5"
• Beach balls, footballs, balls, inflatable devices (balloons)
• Bottles, cans, thermoses, and other beverage containers
• Cameras with lenses longer than six (6) inches
• Clothing or material with profane language or obscene graphics
• Fireworks
• Headwear or clothing that may impede the view of guests
• Laptop computers, radios
• Laser pointer devices, noisemakers
• Promotional materials not approved by the Bills
• Seat cushions larger than 15" x 15" or that contain armrests, zippers, pockets, flaps or metal backs
• Selfie sticks, sticks or poles
• Strollers
• Umbrellas
• Video cameras, monopods and tripods
• Weapons (knives, box-cutters, firearms, etc.)
• Any other item deemed dangerous or inappropriate

That’s a pretty fucked up list. Why in the hell would anyone pay to go to an event there with all of that shit restricted?

 

[Jchrisls]

That’s a pretty fucked up list. Why in the hell would anyone pay to go to an event there with all of that shit restricted?

My opinion? Because many are ignorant or just don't care about thier rights.

 

[Saltwater60]

I know that. However, the stadium is a public facility owned by the taxpayers. It is not privately owned. Hochul’s bullshit CCIA makes it illegal to carry in stadiums. And yet BRUEN says you cannot make stadiums off limits to carrying.

I’m pretty sure I am out of luck as the anti gun assholes will fight tooth and nail to prevent it. But IF Judge Suddaby issues an injunction and overturns it, seems like it would be legal for me to carry there… That, and I suppose that if I went there and they turned me away at the gates, (with an injunction in place), would turning me away give me a case to sue their asses over? Or, would they arrest me for just carrying in the parking lots outside the stadium?

You still won’t be able to enter with a firearm. Even though it’s a publicly owned place I’m sure the property is rented to whoever and therefore becomes a private event. They can reject your entry for anything. That’s just a guess since I’m not sure it’s a private event or not.

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm a HAM radio operator. I generally carry my small quad bander with me. I guess between the knives, the firearms, and now radios, I won't be going there. Too risky.

I find it funny the put out cameras with lenses longer than 6 inches... my Nikon D500 has a 600mm that is meant for sports photography, guess I can't use that either because it would make my camera's glass way longer than 6 inches...

What a shame.

They don’t want you having good pictures. They want you paying for them. Ridiculous yes.

 

[minderasr]

I stopped giving a single fuck about football the minute the NFL allowed the players to take a knee during the national anthem.

 

[Jchrisls]

You still won’t be able to enter with a firearm. Even though it’s a publicly owned place I’m sure the property is rented to whoever and therefore becomes a private event. They can reject your entry for anything. That’s just a guess since I’m not sure it’s a private event or not.

I believe your stance on it being a private event is correct.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

You still won’t be able to enter with a firearm. Even though it’s a publicly owned place I’m sure the property is rented to whoever and therefore becomes a private event. They can reject your entry for anything. That’s just a guess since I’m not sure it’s a private event or not.

That begs me to ask this question. Is an event held by a private organization (Wingfest?) at a publicly owned facility a “private event” if it open to the public?

 

[Deplorable Me]

For the cost of an event ticket you can buy a shitload of ammo and watch the highlights at 2300.

 

[That_FNG]

My opinion? Because many are ignorant or just don't care about thier rights.

I am convinced that a vast majority of so called bills fans are not really fans. They just pretend to be fans as an excuse so they have a socially acceptable reason to be drunk at 11am in the morning.

 

[spat]

I'm a HAM radio operator. I generally carry my small quad bander with me. I guess between the knives, the firearms, and now radios, I won't be going there. Too risky.

I find it funny the put out cameras with lenses longer than 6 inches... my Nikon D500 has a 600mm that is meant for sports photography, guess I can't use that either because it would make my camera's glass way longer than 6 inches...

What a shame.

Does no radios mean no cell phones?

Somehow I doubt it. Not sure how a cell phone isn't a radio though.

I suspect they really mean no loud audio devices, but that's not what they said.

Based on what they said you can bring in a 1980's boom box if it's CD and cassette only, but not a cell phone.

Based on what they want I suspect any small headset only radio would be fine, but the boom box would not be.

 

[Saltwater60]

That begs me to ask this question. Is an event held by a private organization (Wingfest?) at a publicly owned facility a “private event” if it open to the public?

That’s a good legal question and I don’t think it’s ever been answered or challenged that I know of. Of course, I’m not constitutional scholar.
however I would say yes because you need a ticket and to pay to get in. A public event you would just be able to walk into. Again this is all speculation.

 

[Michael]

I am convinced that a vast majority of so called bills fans are not really fans. They just pretend to be fans as an excuse so they have a socially acceptable reason to be drunk at 11am in the morning.

While I'm not a sports fan- my reasons for being drunk at 11am are my own, I don't need them to be socially acceptable.

That being said, the Bruen decision stated that if there was searches or metal detectors and a police presence, then it could be considered a special area? Is that the case here? I've never been there and have no intention of going so I don't know the dynamics of it.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

That’s a good legal question and I don’t think it’s ever been answered or challenged that I know of. Of course, I’m not constitutional scholar.
however I would say yes because you need a ticket and to pay to get in. A public event you would just be able to walk into. Again this is all speculation.

So…, 70,000+ Bills fans is a “private event”? Events that are advertised as being open to the public? I vote that they are public events held at a facility owned by the public.

 

[spat]

So…, 70,000+ Bills fans is a “private event”? Events that are advertised as being open to the public? I vote that they are public events held at a facility owned by the public.

I think requiring tickets does not make it a private event if the ticket purchase is open to the public.

Now, something like a "members only" event is surely private.

How liberal can the membership process be before it becomes public, I can't say.

Is something like Sam's club "private" or "public" ?

I would say private, because it's members only.

So, sell tickets and it's public. Sell memberships and it's private. It's a pretty thin line, but it has to be drawn somewhere.

 

[Edwardteach72]

And yet they don't ban tables on the property..

That should honestly be the first thing they ban

 

[Beerman]

That begs me to ask this question. Is an event held by a private organization (Wingfest?) at a publicly owned facility a “private event” if it open to the public?

Is a private business that is open to the public still a private business? ;j

 

[Beerman]

While I'm not a sports fan- my reasons for being drunk at 11am are my own, I don't need them to be socially acceptable.

That being said, the Bruen decision stated that if there was searches or metal detectors and a police presence, then it could be considered a special area? Is that the case here? I've never been there and have no intention of going so I don't know the dynamics of it.

Excuses for being drunk @ 11am:

1. I
2. don’t
3. need
4. a
5. reason.

 

[ManualF150]

Is a private business that is open to the public still a private business? ;j

This has been my whole point about the whole "Lawful gun signs" on establishments.

Where are the lines drawn?

I've concluded - There are no lines, just whatever idiots like Heil Hochul want to make up.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Is a private business that is open to the public still a private business? ;j

I think this is falling under the definition of what is a “public accommodation“. And stadiums fall under that. Also, such facilities are subject to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I’m damn curious to see what the Judge’s decision will be.

 

[Beerman]

I think this is falling under the definition of what is a “public accommodation“. And stadiums fall under that. Also, such facilities are subject to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I’m damn curious to see what the Judge’s decision will be.

Good points, to be sure. If football stadiums and NASCAR races can qualify for a TFR from the FAA, I think it’s safe to say that the NFL can impose rules for attendees at games, regardless of who owns the stadium.