URGENT - Net Neutrality Under Attack - Action Needed

[meketrefe]

I swear some people aren't even sure how the Internet works. There isn't some big God router that outputs "the Internet" and some fat cat ISPs are holding it on a leash.

This is a good time for easy VPN tunneling services.

 

[Darth]

Darth,
the Kia story is beautiful but there is a law they cannot cheat and lie to consumers. Not sure what % of error is accepted.
Imagine is Time warner had to compensate every customer for the bandwidth they stole through the years.
I do thing this happened due to the lack of people's interest in improving things. People are too relaxed and complacent
and that also has an impact. But many are also trapped, no options. Neutrality, that is a horrible name for it btw, didn't fix
chit but I think it slowed those practices down.
The Netflix - Comcast agreement was a good example how things were being worked out even with the neutrality rules.
The problem: Cable company want more profits and they are going to get them from our pockets.
Government are useless I agree but big lobby and corporations in control of infrastructure are crooks.

But you still never addressed the point of how the government did something that a free market could not do better.

 

[meketrefe]

But you still never addressed the point of how the government did something that a free market could not do better.

Neutrality didn't stopped but slowed down Time Warner predatory practices in this area ( now spectrum ).

 

[Darth]

Neutrality didn't stopped but slowed down Time Warner predatory practices in this area ( now spectrum ).

Nutrality also drove smaller ISPs out of business with regulations, so again, how did the government save us where free market could not?

 

[meketrefe]

Nutrality also drove smaller ISPs out of business with regulations, so again, how did the government save us where free market could not?

Not just regulations Darth, the large ISPs help killing them.
I believe in free market but I think ATT, time warner and Verizon are crooks and will stop at nothing.
We should eliminate the FCC and then the DMV, DEA, FDA, etc...

But who should own the infrastructure for utilities to make sure is accessible and reliable for everyone ???

WE don't want this, right? ...

 

[Defilade]

I always wondered why GPS is a free service. I haven't researched it at all but it seems to me that there would be a lost revenue to capitalize on. GPS as far as I know is from satellite, can't be cheap. Why is GPS a free service and not the Internet? Who decided that one?

 

[Darth]

Not just regulations Darth, the large ISPs help killing them.
I believe in free market but I think ATT, time warner and Verizon are crooks and will stop at nothing.
We should eliminate the FCC and then the DMV, DEA, FDA, etc...

But who should own the infrastructure for utilities to make sure is accessible and reliable for everyone ???

WE don't want this, right? ...

The same people that build the far better toll roads?

 

[meketrefe]

The same people that build the far better toll roads?

What toll roads? where? We have examples of very good ones and very bad ones.

I think bottom line is we want legislation and government intervention to a minimum.
We also want government to show accountability and effectiveness since they work for us
and that is where they lack big time. This is the biggest problem we have.

Same thing with private companies with ethics, we would like them not to abuse people when
they are in privileged positions.
Again, once you have an option is great you choose but what if you don't have an option?
Everything is not as simple as buying a horse and moving to the Yukon to live off the land.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Darth. We get that you are anti government for everything! Yes. We get it. No government regulations for food inspection, fire codes, construction safety codes for buildings, cars, waste dumping, ect. You'd rather the free market fix it on its own while people suffer or die and eventually boycott. We understand. Your stance is for all that to happen and eventually the market will fix itself.

For the rest of us, while we are anti government for most things but we also acknowledge that without it in its entirety, we would have infrastructure of a 3rd world country due to companies and manufacturers doing things for maximum profit without a regard to the safety to the American people.

So while you do not agree with government protections for it's citizens, some of us would rather have those protections regarding safety codes or net neutrality regulations that protect the consumer from getting raped.

 

[Darth]

Darth. We get that you are anti government for everything! Yes. We get it. No government regulations for food inspection, fire codes, construction safety codes for buildings, cars, waste dumping, ect. You'd rather the free market fix it on its own while people suffer or die and eventually boycott. We understand. Your stance is for all that to happen and eventually the market will fix itself.

For the rest of us, while we are anti government for most things but we also acknowledge that without it in its entirety, we would have infrastructure of a 3rd world country due to companies and manufacturers doing things for maximum profit without a regard to the safety to the American people.

So while you do not agree with government protections for it's citizens, some of us would rather have those protections regarding safety codes or net neutrality regulations that protect the consumer from getting raped.

And that's why you guys are wrong.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And that's why you guys are wrong.

How so. It depends on who you ask. If someone doesn't like fire codes, they are right in your eyes and wrong in mine.

If someone likes fire codes, they are wrong in your eyes and right in mine.

If this country was 100 percent founded on libertarianism you'd be 100 percent correct. It wasn't however. It was founded on a combination of things so neither you nor I could be right with the other wrong.

 

[Darth]

How so. It depends on who you ask. If someone doesn't like fire codes, they are right in your eyes and wrong in mine.

If someone likes fire codes, they are wrong in your eyes and right in mine.

If this country was 100 percent founded on libertarianism you'd be 100 percent correct. It wasn't however. It was founded on a combination of things so neither you nor I could be right with the other wrong.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ok. Carry on.

 

[meketrefe]

It is all Al Gore's fault for inventing the internet!