US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[Cooolone]

As far as I'm concerned Iran should have been made into a glass parking lot a long time ago!

Fuck Iran!

And fuck all those motherfuckers over there jumping with joy in the streets on 9-11... Same when they took hostages in Beirut! Yeah, I remember still!

You want to poke a fucking Bear, go ahead, grow some fucking balls and watch your country get reduced to rubble. Won't be any different than those precious Elite Iraqi Guards that buckled and bolted at the first sign of US Troops down the block!

I hope Iran gets stupid and attacks us directly! Our current CIC isn't a pussy and will do what's necessary to correct the situation for sure!

I'd have no problem increasing National Debt or having higher taxes, buying war bonds and doing whatever is necessary to support the cause should that be necessary to wipe Iran off the face of the earth! Fuck them and fuck them with prejudice!!!

USA! USA! USA!

 

[spat]

Hezbollah wasnt much of threat when Israel rolled in, They beeped the leadership into hell, and the Syrian army was gone , but its a valid point

They keep launching rockets into Isreali cities.

So, they might not be an existential military threat, but how many of your civilians need to be killed before you're justified in doing something about it ?

It shows a lot of restraint that they *didn't* go in there when it was someone else's sovereign territory.

But once the government collapsed, I'm not even sure you can call that an invasion. There wasn't a government to invade.

 

[holdover]

But once the government collapsed, I'm not even sure you can call that an invasion. There wasn't a government to invade.

Wether there's a government or not its still an invasion. If the Ukrainian government collapsed would it be OK? If we didnt have a government and the Chinese started taking lands homes and property We would still call it an invasion.

 

[spat]

Wether there's a government or not its still an invasion. If the Ukrainian government collapsed would it be OK? If we didnt have a government and the Chinese started taking lands homes and property We would still call it an invasion.

If there is no government, then there is no sovereignty to invade.

Syria ceased to exist as a country.

 

[GOPerfect]

I don't think things are really heating up with Iran proper.... maybe with the people they use as tools, but not Iran in general. Nothing real will come out of this spat.

 

[GOPerfect]

Probably not too many generals in combat units.

So, where are the Houthis and Hamas getting their funding ?

They are both directly controlled from Tehran.

The US military has Generals in the Ukraine advising their pitiful military

 

[spat]

The US military has Generals in the Ukraine advising their pitiful military

How many of them have been killed ?

 

[GOPerfect]

How many of them have been killed ?

No clue if any. Makes no difference to my point

 

[spat]

No clue if any. Makes no difference to my point

Well, it is an indication of whether they're strategic advisors well behind the lines or they're actually directly commanding troops.

Sort of like the difference between the Contras in Nicaragua and the American Volunteer Group in China.

 

[Criticalt]

Well I agree with you mostly, But the Hooties cant just stop international trade and threaten who they want , fire on our ships at will. Its like some 13 year old street thug that just got a Glock , and is waving it around and shooting it at people . That shit has to stop.

Absolutely, target those that do these things directly. Wherever that particular missile comes from, destroy it.
But, that's not how America generally acts. We are a "head of the snake" kind of nation.
Even knowing what we know, tell Iran this is not necessarily targeted at you. We are simply defending our ships from attacks.
If Iran steps up (they won't), then eliminate them.
But sending rockets 1070 miles from where our ships are being hit needs to stop. Direct action at the spot.
And, this is also affecting other nations even more than it's affecting us. Make these nations step up. Norway is pretty proud of their Navy. Let them go to work. European nations are right there and will be severely affected by any war. Maybe they need to step up now.....more than they claim to be doing.
America lost way too many in TWOT.
In my opinion.

 

[Robin]

The US military has Generals in the Ukraine advising their pitiful military

WTF kind of statement is that? Pitiful? Out manned, outgunned and still standing up to the invaders, that a less brave and smart fighting force would have caved to a couple years ago. Who are these Generals? Milley men?
Robin

 

[holdover]

Well, it is an indication of whether they're strategic advisors well behind the lines or they're actually directly commanding troops.

Sort of like the difference between the Contras in Nicaragua and the American Volunteer Group in China.

They are doing both, Only its being done covertly, Were not going to hear the names or the numbers killed . Multiple times the Russians have hit hotels rumored to be staffed with High ranking NATO officers , recently 30 NATO field commanders were cut off in the Kursk pocket, Trump asked Russia not to kill the encircled soldiers ,He was vaguely referring to the NATO officers that are not supposed to be on Russian soil. I dont know thier fate, if they got out , imprisoned or were executed on the spot as foreign mercenary's .

Absolutely, target those that do these things directly. Wherever that particular missile comes from, destroy it.
But, that's not how America generally acts. We are a "head of the snake" kind of nation.
Even knowing what we know, tell Iran this is not necessarily targeted at you. We are simply defending our ships from attacks.
If Iran steps up (they won't), then eliminate them.
But sending rockets 1070 miles from where our ships are being hit needs to stop. Direct action at the spot.
And, this is also affecting other nations even more than it's affecting us. Make these nations step up. Norway is pretty proud of their Navy. Let them go to work. European nations are right there and will be severely affected by any war. Maybe they need to step up now.....more than they claim to be doing.
America lost way too many in TWOT.
In my opinion.

Cant argue with that.

 

[GOPerfect]

WTF kind of statement is that? Pitiful? Out manned, outgunned and still standing up to the invaders, that a less brave and smart fighting force would have caved to a couple years ago. Who are these Generals? Milley men?
Robin

I use words correctly...

Pitiful...

 

[stokes]

Out manned, outgunned and still standing up to the invaders,

Not outgunned as long as we keep feeding them billions in arms, half of which they kicked back to the big guy.

 

[holdover]

He may have been refering to the condition of Ukraine right army now

 

[holdover]

You know, watching this war unfold as its making history is something else. Drone warfare has basically halted Maneuver warfare, the way air power did in WW2 , either side that come up with a solution is going to gain a major edge. It may require fighter drones actively looking for enemy drones near their own formations and in large numbers , I dont think you can even track them on radar because they fly nap of the earth , you can fly them no higher than a tank if you wanted to right down the street at car top level between buildings , Its no wonder either side can make much progress. Its really changed the nature of warfare like the machine gun tank or airplane did , and new doctrines and weapons will have to be factored in to the future planning of an operation

 

[tirwin1]

You know, watching this war unfold as its making history is something else. Drone warfare has basically halted Maneuver warfare, the way air power did in WW2 , either side that come up with a solution is going to gain a major edge. It may require fighter drones actively looking for enemy drones near their own formations and in large numbers , I dont think you can even track them on radar because they fly nap of the earth , you can fly them no higher than a tank if you wanted to right down the street at car top level between buildings , Its no wonder either side can make much progress. Its really changed the nature of warfare like the machine gun tank or airplane did , and new doctrines and weapons will have to be factored in to the future planning of an operation

I sometimes wonder if one of the reasons we keep the Ukraine war going is to watch the development of drone technology in warfare. We are learning lessons at the expense of the Ukrainians and Russians. No skin off our nose.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I'm getting the feeling things might pop off in the near future with iran.

I've been wrong on these things before plenty of times, but I'm getting that vibe again. I think something is going to happen shortly.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I sometimes wonder if one of the reasons we keep the Ukraine war going is to watch the development of drone technology in warfare. We are learning lessons at the expense of the Ukrainians and Russians. No skin off our nose.

I've made the comparison that the Ukraine war is to WW3 what the Spanish civil war was for WW2. An actual real time battle lab to test and observe.

The biggest learning here is speed and rapid follow on logistics efficiency is key. You cannot get bogged down and allow trenches and static lines to form or it will become a hellscape.

An advancing army now is going to have to be willing to trade heavy initial casualties in an assault to break through and not allow an advance to stall.


Don't need B2 to bomb the houthis

Signs U.S. Massing B-2 Spirit Bombers In Diego Garcia (Updated)

U.S. airpower is flowing to the Indian Ocean outpost as threats to Iran escalate and the bombing campaign against the Houthis grinds on.

www.twz.com

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halturnerradioshow.com

Too many things are lining up. Iran is Almost to the point of a fully operational nuke program, the houthis are pulling their shenanigans and Israel is in the middle.

I don't agree with a lot of this guys (the British physicist being interviewed) US political opinions but he makes a lot of really interesting points to consider. He has a well thought out argument, much of which I already believe, other ideas I had not yet pondered.



Shit is going down sooner or later, one way or another.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I think Iran will ultimately try to avoid a war while Trump is in office. They know they only have to drag it out for 4 years.

Trump threatens to bomb Iran unless they end nuclear weapons program and begin talks on new deal

Trump warned Iran after sending a letter to revive nuclear talks. With "maximum pressure" back on the table, tensions between the two nations continue to rise.

www.foxnews.com

 

[stokes]

I think Iran will ultimately try to avoid a war while Trump is in office. They know they only have to drag it out for 4 years.

Trump threatens to bomb Iran unless they end nuclear weapons program and begin talks on new deal

Trump warned Iran after sending a letter to revive nuclear talks. With "maximum pressure" back on the table, tensions between the two nations continue to rise.

www.foxnews.com

That surely would be in their best interest, I dont think Trump would send troops in for a ground war, just total annihilation from the air. I'm also not sure he wouldnt nuke the bastards and be done with it.

 

[Zerex]

Aw shucks, we shore did get rid of dem nukes......................DESTROY ISRAEL.............


BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN.................a joint effort by Israel, and our B2 bombers already at Diego Garcia.....

 

[holdover]

Im not sure Iran is going to comply, There is also a very good chance they already have nukes , either bought from N. Korea, or on the black market after the fall of the Soviet union or simply Have all the parts ready to be assembled. They have demonstrated the ability to hit targets in Isreal , and could hit the airfields in Diego Garcia. Iraq Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have stated that no US airbases on their soil or air space can be used for attacks on Iran .


(AP) — Iran’s president said Sunday that the Islamic Republic rejected direct negotiations with the United States over its rapidly advancing nuclear program, offering Tehran’s first response to a letter that U.S. President Donald Trump sent to the country’s supreme leader.

“We don’t avoid talks; it’s the breach of promises that has caused issues for us so far,” Pezeshkian said in televised remarks during a Cabinet meeting. “They must prove that they can build trust.”

Trump said before Pezeshkian’s comments that he was considering military action and secondary tariffs, if Iran doesn’t agree to a nuclear deal.

“If they don’t make a deal, there will be bombing and it will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before,” Trump said in a comment aired Sunday by NBC News.

Iran rejects direct nuclear negotiations with the U.S. in response to Trump's letter

President Masoud Pezeshkian said that Iran's response, delivered via the sultanate of Oman, left open the possibility of indirect negotiations with Washington. However, such talks have made no progress since Trump in his first term unilaterally withdrew the U.S. from Tehran's nuclear deal with...

www.pbs.org

The best thing Trump can do is place sanctions on them , The worst thing is get embroiled in another war We cant really win . Im sure We could kicked the shit out of thier military like we did with Iraq, Vietnam , but ultimately it becomes a drain on the economy and We have to leave.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I saw that there are generals in Iran calling for a preemptive strike on Diego Garcia....

 

[holdover]

I'm getting the feeling things might pop off in the near future with iran.

I've been wrong on these things before plenty of times, but I'm getting that vibe again. I think something is going to happen shortly.

You cant argue that it looks like it might happen soon , But I dont think Trump will pull the trigger, What do we in the US gain from it vs the cost? Not a whole hell of a lot. And the Iranians are not going to back down. Its a muslim pride thing , I could be wrong too, Trump says what he means and mean what he says most of the time .

 

[C3D]

I saw that there are generals in Iran calling for a preemptive strike on Diego Garcia....

And I want to have a threesome with Jennifer Lawrence and Shailene Woodley. I have no more way to get that done than Iran has to bomb DG.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

You cant argue that it looks like it might happen soon , But I dont think Trump will pull the trigger, What do we in the US gain from it vs the cost? Not a whole hell of a lot. And the Iranians are not going to back down. Its a muslim pride thing , I could be wrong too, Trump says what he means and mean what he says most of the time .

Honestly I don't know what to think. But I know it's serious as shit.

Everyone knew the "plot climax" is coming to a conclusion sooner or later in terms of irans nuclear program. Anyone with a brain could see for the past 10 years sooner or later somewhere along the time line it was going to occur that either we do nothing and allow Iran to become a nuclear state or we will have to physically intervene to stop them. If we do nothing then by default of not making a decision or choice that in itself is a choice to have to live with a nuclear Iranian Muslim theocracy and everything else that means.

I honestly don't know what to think.

But I analyze things all day and I would look at it like this. The cost of 1 flight hour for a B2 is rumored to be around ~135k. That's $135,000 per hour it's in the air. That's in man labor hours and time for the maintenance and spare parts costs for replacement items. Do the math on what it would take to send 7 B2 bombers on 18 hour flights to Diego Garcia, perform familiarization training flights in the area, all the maintenance support personnel need to be deployed and they need to be flown out on multiple heavy lifts. And you need to send a bunch of tanker support for it all. And that's just 1 way not even the return. The price tag gets shockingly high very quickly for a deployment of this magnitude.

And strategically it's really closer to half or a majority of our operational B2 fleet. I think it's reported that there are 19 or 20 of them total. So doing the math likely a couple are set aside for training, testing and development at like Edwards AFB or area 51 in that role. And another 1 or 2 are likely down for extended heavy maintenance at any point. You pretty quickly get down to like 14 or 15 actual mission capable planes and the report is that 7 are in Diego Garcia. So when you look at it that way it's even more impactful.

You don't just willy nilly do it, I think it's pretty serious.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Honestly I don't know what to think. But I know it's serious as shit.

Everyone knew the "plot climax" is coming to a conclusion sooner or later in terms of irans nuclear program. Anyone with a brain could see for the past 10 years sooner or later somewhere along the time line it was going to occur that either we do nothing and allow Iran to become a nuclear state or we will have to physically intervene to stop them. If we do nothing then by default of not making a decision or choice that in itself is a choice to have to live with a nuclear Iranian Muslim theocracy and everything else that means.

I honestly don't know what to think.

But I know this. The cost of 1 flight hour for a B2 is rumored to be around ~135k. That's $135,000 per hour it's in the air. That's in man labor hours and time for the maintenance and spare parts costs for replacement items. Do the math on what it would take to send 7 B2 bombers on 18 hour flights to Diego Garcia, perform familiarization training flights in the area, all the maintenance support personnel need to be deployed and they need to be flown out on multiple heavy lifts. And you need to send a bunch of tanker support for it all. And that's just 1 way not even the return. The price tag gets shockingly high very quickly for a deployment of this magnitude. You don't just willy nilly do it, I think it's pretty serious.

We probably already paid for all that shit to be moving 24/7/365, so they may as well put it to good use.

I'd prefer to not be at war for a while, but if we need to get mixed up in something, we need to show the world how insanely massive our dick is compared to everyone else's.

 

[Cooolone]

Drone's, their use, the modification and changes that have occured in such a short time are incredible! More akin to realizing a Trench was needed to offset the accuracy created in a rifled barrel...

Jamming signal being one of the biggest impediments, drones use fiber optic cable now and can range 15 miles by wire (glass lol)... That's just nuts!

It has changed the game! And soon, unmanned drone, plane, ground units will be more prominent, and whomever reaches the highest, farthest and quickest will win.

AI, Terminators may not be so far fetched after all... Crazy shit!

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Drone's, their use, the modification and changes that have occured in such a short time are incredible! More akin to realizing a Trench was needed to offset the accuracy created in a rifled barrel...

Jamming signal being one of the biggest impediments, drones use fiber optic cable now and can range 15 miles by wire (glass lol)... That's just nuts!

It has changed the game! And soon, unmanned drone, plane, ground units will be more prominent, and whomever reaches the highest, farthest and quickest will win.

AI, Terminators may not be so far fetched after all... Crazy shit!

I have made the comparison elsewhere that new war theories and technologies are being tested out in real time in an actual battle lab just like in the 1930s Spanish civil war. Germany learned a lot from that conflict. Just the same that other countries are studying what is happening in Ukraine.


And totally agree. Skynet and terminators are no longer science fiction but near future possibilities.