US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[Dr. Evil]

I don't want to see any people wiped from the face of the earth except pedos. But why does the US have to send money and military aid to Israel and then get bloody as well?

Pick one, you can have the aid or pay us to protect you.

First, because this will spread like a cancerous tumor. If one doctor can't do the whole operation him/herself they may need to bring in a colleague to help. Second, American blood has been spilled for years because of them. I don't see this turning into that type of situation. IMHO it's a means to an end. I have no issues with them paying us though.

 

[SomeSoldier]

First, because this will spread like a cancerous tumor. If one doctor can't do the whole operation him/herself they may need to bring in a colleague to help. Second, American blood has been spilled for years because of them. I don't see this turning into that type of situation. IMHO it's a means to an end. I have no issues with them paying us though.

I agree with your Dr. analogy but Dr #2 does pay Dr #1 to provide the help. It would be the other way.

 

[Mosinitis]

They have been our ally since the beginning, and our only ally in the mid east. For about 75 yrs. So you think just cause the going gets tough we should abandon them? That was Brandons agenda and I assume Harris too. Did you vote for them?

Not exactly. Israel and the Soviet Union were allies until late 1953. Soviet Union smuggled arms into Israel through Czechoslovakia and supported Israel politically at the UN . Soviet military advisers trained Israeli forces. Then the relationship soured and Soviets started supporting Arabs.

Soviet Union and the Arab–Israeli conflict - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GOPerfect]

I do not get many "likes" and stuff in threads like this.

I guess my opinion is that off on these matters....

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I do not get many "likes" and stuff in threads like this.

I guess my opinion is that off on these matters....

I don't think there is a lot to like in these discussions because they mostly end up at bad options or worse options and no one yet know the unanticipated consequences of these decisions.

 

[GOPerfect]

I don't think there is a lot to like in these discussions because they mostly end up at bad options or worse options and no one yet know the unanticipated consequences of these decisions.

I think too many people, not just on this site, allow their emotions and feelings to get in the way of things.

Take all emotions and feelings out of most conversations and more people will agree.

 

[spat]

Whatever trade we get from there make it here instead. If we drill our oil and keep it here the world market doesn't matter. Trump proved that in term 1.

What do you suppose happens if oil costs $40/barrel more in Europe than here ?

People will buy it here and sell it there until the price difference is less than the cost to do that.

And Trump is working on moving stuff back via tarrifs, but companies can't just pick up the Chinese factory and move it here overnight.

Realistically, the shipping costs will just add to the tariff incentive, and to keep things balanced where he wants them he'll have to offset the shipping increase by lowering the tariffs.

The difference is that the tariffs lower the budget deficit, the increased shipping costs don't benefit taxpayers at all.

 

[FP1201]

They fucked around with us because we armed their enemy to the teeth , other wise they dont have much of a beef with us. they dont have a beef with china or Russia or Germany, so why us? becuse we go around the world fucking with other people when we should be making deals .

Prior to the US (re: CIA) stuck it's dick in their politics: Iran and the United States were close allies until the Iranian Revolution in 1979, when a new regime came to power whose anti-colonial and anti-imperialist stance took aim at the United States for its interference in the region, including the 1953 coup that propped up the regime of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi.
They abducted and held hostage our People while that pussy Carter was prez then Reagan took Office and they were promptly released, because they KNEW Reagan would open cans of whoop-ass they couldn't cover.
On January 20, 1981, 52 American hostages held in Iran were released after being in captivity for 444 days. This release occurred just minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as the 40th U.S. president. The release was part of the Algiers Accords, which were signed on January 19, 1981, marking the end of the Iran hostage crisis.

 

[SomeSoldier]

What do you suppose happens if oil costs $40/barrel more in Europe than here ?

People will buy it here and sell it there until the price difference is less than the cost to do that.

And Trump is working on moving stuff back via tarrifs, but companies can't just pick up the Chinese factory and move it here overnight.

Realistically, the shipping costs will just add to the tariff incentive, and to keep things balanced where he wants them he'll have to offset the shipping increase by lowering the tariffs.

The difference is that the tariffs lower the budget deficit, the increased shipping costs don't benefit taxpayers at all.

We dont sell it to them. Fuck off. Our oil should benefit us. Fill the oil reserves back up.

 

[holdover]

Yeah, some liability. Many in the world want the total destruction of the state as well as all Jews around the world. Just look at the rhetoric at the ivy league schools in this country. You are right. We should just sit by and not lift a finger. Long live Iran and the extreme Islamic ideology.

Im all for selling them weapons, but no, We should not get involved. You think bombing Iran is going to make us prosperous ? We are'nt doing it for us . We get nothing out of it . We were not at war with Iran, We broke the UN charter by attacking them . We are violation of the rules that We demand other countries follow. The world sees us as hypocrites

I dont give a flying fuck about Iran. They would chop off my head if I went there. Im all about business with everyone, allies to no one. Across the board

When Azerbaijan went to war with Armenia , I didnt see fox news or CNN supporting airstrikes , nobody gave a shit about civilian deaths If Iran nuked Isreal, guess what? I still have to go to work on Monday

Dont mean to be heartless but its not our fight, Isreal attacked Iran, Let them deal with it . Im sick and tired of having to fight wars all over the world ,

 

[FP1201]

I think too many people, not just on this site, allow their emotions and feelings to get in the way of things.

Take all emotions and feelings out of most conversations and more people will agree.

I think many of the participants here are old farts that have seen a thing or two and despite a strong warrior ethos, don't want us dragged into another shit filled sand box for which our Kids and fortunes are wasted...It's easy to send Planes loaded with Bombs to places and people that need to be fucked up, tends to bring Dictators and Tyrants back in line while minimizing overall damage and cost in lives....The Left yaps about it until you remind them that Obummer ordered 26,171 Bombs dropped on a half dozen or more Countries, then joked about smoking foreign Leaders with Drones...none of this is new, just being blown out of proportion because it's Trump, and the fuckwads (Democrats) deride ANYTHING Trump says or does.

 

[GOPerfect]

I think many of the participants here are old farts that have seen a thing or two and despite a strong warrior ethos, don't want us dragged into another shit filled sand box for which our Kids and fortunes are wasted...It's easy to send Planes loaded with Bombs to places and people that need to be fucked up, tends to bring Dictators and Tyrants back in line while minimizing overall damage and cost in lives....The Left yaps about it until you remind them that Obummer ordered 26,171 Bombs dropped on a half dozen or more Countries, then joked about smoking foreign Leaders with Drones...none of this is new, just being blown out of proportion because it's Trump, and the fuckwads (Democrats) deride ANYTHING Trump says or does.

I think I may be on the verge of being an old fart... I have been a few places, seen a few things. Nothing all that grand, but enough.

I absolutely do NOT want to see our sons, daughters, mothers and fathers, etc. sucked into another war. A war that that we do not need, nor do we want. This is not our game, not our problem. Another war in the desert will do nothing to make America better.

 

[Dr. Evil]

You think bombing Iran is going to make us prosperous ?

Prosperous? Well, for those that won't possibly be killed by them down the road I'm pretty sure yes. They will have a better chance to earn a living and care for those they love.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think I may be on the verge of being an old fart... I have been a few places, seen a few things. Nothing all that grand, but enough.

I absolutely do NOT want to see our sons, daughters, mothers and fathers, etc. sucked into another war. A war that that we do not need, nor do we want. This is not our game, not our problem. Another war in the desert will do nothing to make America better.

I don't want to see that either. Maybe I am being ignorant but so far Israel and the US (as of yesterday) have accomplished much without boots on the ground and being shot at. Don't you think a lot has been done in a relatively short period of time from a far so to speak? I would pound them unrelentllessly until they cry uncle and them, hit them a bit more just to make sure. I guess my question is based on the entirety of the situation over decades, the direction Iran was heading with nukes and enrichment, how deep underground they were placing the facilities, the anti American/Israeli rhetoric, the absolute pathetic leadership up until now that allowed such behaviour to fester... when is enough enough? Trump has given them many opportunities to come to the table. Trump has given them many opportunities to avoid what happened yesterday. Trump has said from day one even in his first presidency, Iran will not have nukes. Trump has told them what would happen to them if they continued down the road they have been traveling. Trump gave them many chances. Their response?

 

[SomeSoldier]

According to the public data the AI was able to pull together. The US has invested $339 billion, ish, meaning that we gave more to Israel than they have given to us, since we started give aid to Israel (1949). So back to original question what do we get out of this relationship?

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_6dd9df00-855c-49d2-8683-5d25aa6a7ea2

 

[Dr. Evil]

According to the public data the AI was able to pull together. The US has invested $339 billion, ish, meaning that we gave more to Israel than they have given to us, since we started give aid to Israel (1949). So back to original question what do we get out of this relationship?

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_6dd9df00-855c-49d2-8683-5d25aa6a7ea2

And, what would the world look like currently if we didn't? IMHO that is money better spent for the most part (I'm not privy to how the funds were spent) compared to what DOGE uncovered.

 

[SomeSoldier]

And, what would the world look like currently if we didn't? IMHO that is money better spent for the most part (I'm not privy to how the funds were spent) compared to what DOGE uncovered.

Again, either pay us to protect you or use the resources we give to do it yourself.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Ill just leave this here......

 

[Dr. Evil]

Again, either pay us to protect you or use the resources we give to do it yourself.

I'm good with that.

 

[GOPerfect]

According to the public data the AI was able to pull together. The US has invested $339 billion, ish, meaning that we gave more to Israel than they have given to us, since we started give aid to Israel (1949). So back to original question what do we get out of this relationship?

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_6dd9df00-855c-49d2-8683-5d25aa6a7ea2

I understand that the current discussion is about Israel/Iran, due to the current situation.

I have said it for many, many years....

ALL financial aid to ALL foreign nations needs to end. All of it to all nations.

I support the right to all people to live and to exist. I support the people of Israel to a country of their own. I support the right of those people to defend themselves if attacked or to deal with a pending amount of trouble.

I do not think, nor do I support the involvement of the US or our military.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I understand that the current discussion is about Israel/Iran, due to the current situation.

I have said it for many, many years....

ALL financial aid to ALL foreign nations needs to end. All of it to all nations.

I support the right to all people to live and to exist. I support the people of Israel to a country of their own. I support the right of those people to defend themselves if attacked or to deal with a pending amount of trouble.

I do not think, nor do I support the involvement of the US or our military.

Let's say I move to TN. Let's say there are people there that don't like me being a Jewish NY'er. Let's say you have been a good friend of mine for many many years. Let's say I can handle myself but only to a point. Let's say these people outnumber me and are bigger than me although with your help I can win without either of us sustaining too much damage. Would say you are not getting involved and it is my fight to handle by myself or would you have my back?

 

[CaseHardened]

Iranian Military Officers Reach Out to Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi, Declaring Their Intent to Defect and Pledge Allegiance - LIBERTY FIRST

By The Geller Report Military officers of the Islamic regime in Iran have now begun seeking contact with Iran’s exiled Shah and National Leader, His Majesty Reza Shah II Pahlavi, expressing their intent to defect and pledge allegiance to His Majesty. The future of Iran is in the hands of the...

libertyfirst.org

Right there is an appropriate Regime Change.

 

[CaseHardened]

Let's say I move to TN. Let's say there are people there that don't like me being a Jewish NY'er. Let's say you have been a good friend of mine for many many years. Let's say I can handle myself but only to a point. Let's say these people outnumber me and are bigger than me although with your help I can win without either of us sustaining too much damage. Would say you are not getting involved and it is my fight to handle by myself or would you have my back?

I am an American.

Many, if not most of us are Mixed Heritage. And our ancestors put those Old Country Heritages on the back burner when they stepped foot on this blessed land.

They vowed to judge each individual to their own merits. And not to hold anyone responsible for the sins of their father: sins real or imagined.

So yes, my dear friend. You and I have a sacred pact as Americans to stand together.

 

[GOPerfect]

Let's say I move to TN. Let's say there are people there that don't like me being a Jewish NY'er. Let's say you have been a good friend of mine for many many years. Let's say I can handle myself but only to a point. Let's say these people outnumber me and are bigger than me although with your help I can win without either of us sustaining too much damage. Would say you are not getting involved and it is my fight to handle by myself or would you have my back?

You know 2 things from your post....

Thing one, I would always have your back.

Thing two, this example is not comparable to what is going on.

There is a wicked good chance that this is not going to end with dropping a few bombs.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Thing one, I would always have your back.

I know. Ditto.

 

[CaseHardened]

This was a terrible idea. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria......... we have learned nothing.

I hope in time you will understand there is no equivalency here.

A deranged regime with nuclear weapons cannot be allowed to live.

 

[CaseHardened]

Whatever trade we get from there make it here instead. If we drill our oil and keep it here the world market doesn't matter. Trump proved that in term 1.

Trump had America swimming in oil in no time.

And all it would take now is tossing a few traitors in prison.

 

[GOPerfect]

I hope in time you will understand there is no equivalency here.

A deranged regime with nuclear weapons cannot be allowed to live.

So, should we destroy North Korea as well? Pakistan? India? Russia? China?

 

[SomeSoldier]

Let's say I move to TN. Let's say there are people there that don't like me being a Jewish NY'er. Let's say you have been a good friend of mine for many many years. Let's say I can handle myself but only to a point. Let's say these people outnumber me and are bigger than me although with your help I can win without either of us sustaining too much damage. Would say you are not getting involved and it is my fight to handle by myself or would you have my back?

Ok but if you want to compare this to Iran then the guy threatening you lives in California and is sending his 15 yo nephew to live near you and maybe attack you but you have hired blackwater security to guard you.

 

[CaseHardened]

So, should we destroy North Korea as well? Pakistan? India? Russia? China?

Obviously not.

India is an ally committed to peace.

Pakistan is Muslim, but has been Nuclear for a long time, and has not used it, nor howls daily that they plan to. They are dangerous, but mainly only when fools import them into their own countries.

The others are atheist Communists. The destruction of the entire world will not bring some Satanic Savior to rule us all. They wish to rule us, of course, but in this life only. As there is no other.