US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[Beerman]

That was my kind of point, but it’s not a pulp fiction quote either. It’s not a Bible quote or any scripture in the Bible nor scripture from Pulp Fiction. The bible references talks about the Lord taking care of people or killing those against Israel. Pete isn’t the lord and what he said is not a Bible quote. He used it to justify our actions and the rescue of the pilots. I believe he even mentioned the pilots.
The only quote form the bible or close to it is Ezekiel 25:17.

Here is the scripture from Ezekiel 25:17.
Ezekiel 25:17
King James Version
17 And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.

There is nothing in Hegseth's speech that remotely resembles it word for word. A quote is word for word. If I’m quoting Hegseth or Pulp Fiction my words would mirror those sources, none mirror each other. Words matter, facts matter. This is not a quote from the Bible or Pulp Fiction. There are similarities, but not quotations.
What Pete is saying here is that our actions and the actions of the pilots are justified by the scripture mentioned. You can argue that if you want and there are valid arguments for and against it. However, there is no argument to show Pete quoted the Bible or Pulp Fiction. His speech format was similar to that of Pulp Fiction, but again not a quote.
Pete, in fact, did wrong and for someone who says they are a Bible believer this is blasphemy at its finest IMO.

I can’t take you seriously. Your first sentence is a willful denial of facts. Watch the video, watch the movie scene. It’s a quote that CSAR used for the Sandy One mission, and it’s the Pulp Fiction quote word for word, with a pilot featured as the “righteous.”

 

[GOPerfect]

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No US elected or appointed person in Federal government should be quoting verses out of the bible, real or fake.

 

[GOPerfect]

I’m not sure what this is getting at here? He quoted the section(chapter and paragraph) of the Bible, but not the verse.
If you research the Bible verse it is about defending and destroying people to attack Jews and that is what could be said we are doing. He never meant to quote the Bible verse as an equation is a word-for-word representation of something.
What he is doing is using this Bible verses as a justification for our actions. I’m sure you could find many Bible verses quotes in many movies. What he’s said only remotely reflects what was said in Pulp Fiction.
Now I do not necessarily support this use because this is the Lord speaking and Pete is not the Lord in anyway.

Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 25:17 - King James Version

And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.

www.biblegateway.com

Here is the video clip....

View attachment y7OWd0rFQ_wtPzKT.mp4

 

[spat]

No US elected or appointed person in Federal government should be quoting verses out of the bible, real or fake.

But is "till valhalla" OK ?

I'm OK with expressing their values, to include scripture, as long as they don't require anyone to take it seriously.

The alternative is basically atheism as the official religion, which I also oppose.

 

[livingston]

 

[livingston]

No US elected or appointed person in Federal government should be quoting verses out of the bible, real or fake.

I don't see an issue with it .....Hell it would not hurt to ask god for a little help at times...

When Patton Enlisted the Entire Third Army to Pray for Fair Weather​

 

[livingston]

“From direct negotiations between the United States and Iran for the first time in nearly half a century… to coordinated diplomatic and military movement across the Middle East, South Asia, and beyond… the old geopolitical order is being replaced in real time. This is not chaos. This is strategy.”

Trump Forces Iran to the Table: The New World Order Takes Shape​

Mike Steger from the Promethean group presents thoughtful analysis of the change President Trump is bringing to a new era in geopolitical alignment. This is an interesting and insightful review.

Solid Overview of President Trump's Consequence from the Promethean Action PAC - The Last Refuge

Mike Steger from the Promethean group presents thoughtful analysis of the change President Trump is bringing to a new era in geopolitical alignment. This is an interesting and insightful review. As noted by Mr Steger: “From direct negotiations between the United States and Iran for the first...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[livingston]

Now here is the spin side ...

'It's Not Working': Diplomats Fear Trump's Iran Envoys Are Making Things Worse​

As the Trump administration weighs a second round of U.S.-Iran talks, the failure of negotiations in Pakistan is fueling concern about whether its envoys can deliver a deal.
Former diplomats tell TIME that Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, who led the Iran negotiations with Vice President JD Vance, lack the expertise and diplomatic experience needed to secure an agreement. That, they warn, risks prolonging the war and further destabilizing the global economy.
“Iran and the U.S. under Kushner and Witkoff? Failure. They get an F in diplomacy,” said Aaron David Miller, a former US State Department Middle East negotiator who served six secretaries of state.

'It's Not Working': Diplomats Fear Trump's Iran Envoys Are Making Things Worse

Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff lack the expertise and diplomatic experience needed to secure a deal, former diplomats warn.

www.yahoo.com

Folks.... Trump has done more to bring peace to this part of the world than any president in history.






Gulag Escapee
April 18, 2026 12:30 am


The triumph of PDJT’s first term was the Abraham Accords. Israel and Arab states made peace and those peace deals are holding up. This was only possible because PDJT defied conventional wisdom and excluded the Palestinians from the negotiations. All the “experts” said this was unwise, but it turns out it was the only way to actually deliver a lasting peace.
The Iran war may become the triumph of the second term. It could end 47 years of war with Iran, end Hezbollah, end the Houthi attacks against Red Sea shipping, end much of the terrorism in the world. This might only have become possible because the Europeans were shut out from interfering. Again all the “experts” said this was unwise, but again it may turn out it was the only way to actually deliver a lasting peace.
The way to overcome a deadlock is to bypass whoever is keeping things deadlocked.

Solid Overview of President Trump's Consequence from the Promethean Action PAC - The Last Refuge

Mike Steger from the Promethean group presents thoughtful analysis of the change President Trump is bringing to a new era in geopolitical alignment. This is an interesting and insightful review. As noted by Mr Steger: “From direct negotiations between the United States and Iran for the first...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[Bigfoot]

 

[Grimscale]

I don't see an issue with it .....Hell it would not hurt to ask god for a little help at times..

Except it never seems to stop there. Invariably they decide to start forcing their religious rules on the rest of the Country.

The alternative is basically atheism as the official religion,

atheism is not a religion.

And there shouldn't BE an official religion. That was the whole point of the Founding Fathers putting in the 1st Amendment.

People should be free to believe, or not believe, what they want. To live their lives as they see fit, without pressure from others. Regardless if it is one of the many oppressive Abrahamic religions, or Shintoism, or Buddhism, etc.

What was done in 1954 should have long since been undone.

 

[Bigfoot]

 

[Mosinitis]

When is Making America Great Again going to start?

 

[Beerman]

Iran does not appear even a little bit afraid of the US.

Trump is considering releasing $200 BILLION in sanctioned Iranian assets. That totally crushes Obama’s little pallet of cash. Winning!

Kushner? Seriously, Jared Kushner? He’s more concerned with his wallet than your peace, safety and security.

 

[spat]

Except it never seems to stop there. Invariably they decide to start forcing their religious rules on the rest of the Country.


atheism is not a religion.

And there shouldn't BE an official religion. That was the whole point of the Founding Fathers putting in the 1st Amendment.

People should be free to believe, or not believe, what they want. To live their lives as they see fit, without pressure from others. Regardless if it is one of the many oppressive Abrahamic religions, or Shintoism, or Buddhism, etc.

What was done in 1954 should have long since been undone.

Atheism is 100% a religion. Just because they try to make it sound sciency doesn't change that.

Their central premise can't be proven any more than any other religion. The non-existance of God and spontaneous creation of the universe is a matter of faith for them.

 

[Steal2B]

Not sure why those little Iranian gunboats were not "dealt with" with prejudice.

India has summoned the Iranian Ambassador for some sort of lip lashing. Both the vessels attacked were Indian flagged vessels.

And Hezbollah attacked UN Peacekeepers in Lebanon killing a French Peacekeeper and injuring three others.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

If true, we look foolish now. It's probably time to just completely destroy Iran. Never should have tried negotiating.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I guess we have about two weeks left to flatten them before Congress has to fuck it up.

 

[fresch]

I guess we have about two weeks left to flatten them before Congress has to fuck it up.

That is just what they are holding out for. Then the mid terms, if the democrats win they will wait for the rats to get power. If they don't get power look for more rioting from both the democrats and the anarchist/muzzies, until the next pres election.