Very interesting article on the breakdown of violence at protests

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This is a larger issue than just the fires. Besides the homes, businesses and other buildings being destroyed, think larger...

The amount of fruits and vegetables that come from California is staggering. The costs to all of America is going to increase to a sickening level.

The level of pure destruction of the wildlife. Nests, dens and living habitats of hundreds and thousands of animals destroyed.

The air quality of the area as well as far reaching areas is going to be dramatic.

The power grid is being destroyed, they are going to have to get their electric power from somewhere..... The East coast grid? The Texas grid? This is going to effect all of America.

I asked the other day about the apocalypse being upon us?? I would say yes on the West Coast.
 
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Sorry if your upset but yes they have more conviction about their beliefs then gun owners do. Its pretty clear gun owners are like parents who don't have any follow through. I'm not one to dance around political correctness. Their goal was to make the establishment fold and they are doing a great job at it. Sorry if that bothers you but ruining a lawn didn't quite cut the mustard did it.

You can disagree with what they are doing I'm not a fan of private property destruction but all government buildings are kinda within the scope of what the framers believed. How else exactly does one address tyranny. By filing a complaint ? How has that work out?

This was bound to happen eventually its been in the making for over 20 years. Its laughable that anyone is shocked by it. The core message is getting lost in all the destruction but that doesn't mean its not valid complaint.


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So you think Gun owners should have burned down their own neighborhoods, looted our own business's, flipped over tables in restaurants, tore down statues blocked Thruways and traffic , thrown piss and shit on police officers, burned their cars , damaged property? Beat people because of the color of their skin, call for the abolishment of the police., Your saying they are better than us for that? They should have been shot on sight.

No, Im angry because BLM has a beef with the police and they burn down a Mc Donald's, or protest in front of my neighborhood bars, instead of addressing the problem with the police or the mayor. Im pissed because a lot of the politicians are sympathetic to BLM and antifa cause. Im pissed because they are anti American racist's and communists demanding the overthrow of our government while mayors and governors tell their police forces to stand down. Im pissed because the media calls them protestors when they are actually terrorists, and people who try to stop them as white racist's and fascists'. Im pissed because they are teaching this shit in the schools . I can go on for another paragraph , but I think you get the point.

We made it clear, that the confiscation of firearms , would be met with violence. That We have no other choice at the disarming of the public by force .

We did that while only damaging the lawn in Albany. So while we had minor loss with the safe act which has still never been to the supreme court. We did have a victory in that we stopped the confiscation , while preserving the sale and ownership of firearms in NY.
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When you put it that way, minus the killing of people based on race which is a no go in my book. Your angry because the entitled little white kids rioting have more balls then NY gun owners when it came to the safe act? Don't be a hater.

100 days of rioting ... NY had a 6hr 2A protest. HA! Cant say i support the cluster F of socialism, reparations for transgender homeless midgets ect. But they sure as hell know how to keep the pressure on.
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They mostly have no real jobs, and are getting bankrolled by people like Soros. Its easy when you have nothing to lose and someone offers to pay you to act like a savage.

It still takes something to act that lawless, but when they know that these leftist cities are not likely to arrest or prosecute them because those in power are also owned by people like Soros, I wouldnt callnit "balls".

I do wish, we did more as gun owners, but not in line with what these animals are doing.
 
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Shadow2 said:
You can disagree with what they are doing I'm not a fan of private property destruction but all government buildings are kinda within the scope of what the framers believed. How else exactly does one address tyranny. By filing a complaint ? How has that work out?

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This right here is the problem they are not destroying the mayors office they are not attacking state police barracks, they are not attacking the infrastructure of government . They are destroying private property. they are beating and killing white people who have nothing to do with this. they are destroying businesses, disrupting peoples lives and the economy . buring thousands of acres of land and peoples homes .They cannot target thier enemy . Thier enemy is everyone. and if you dont have a problem with them looting your neighbors store , or attacking patrons in a restaurant, your part of the problem.

They want a revolution until they get one. because once its starts, there's no shutting it off , the blow back will be insane .
 
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Shadow2 said:
Sorry if your upset but yes they have more conviction about their beliefs then gun owners do. Its pretty clear gun owners are like parents who don't have any follow through. I'm not one to dance around political correctness. Their goal was to make the establishment fold and they are doing a great job at it. Sorry if that bothers you but ruining a lawn didn't quite cut the mustard did it.

You can disagree with what they are doing I'm not a fan of private property destruction but all government buildings are kinda within the scope of what the framers believed. How else exactly does one address tyranny. By filing a complaint ? How has that work out?

This was bound to happen eventually its been in the making for over 20 years. Its laughable that anyone is shocked by it. The core message is getting lost in all the destruction but that doesn't mean its not valid complaint.
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Most of these riotes have no conviction at all.
Watch all the videos of Antifa being interviewed and not knowing why they are there.
All the videos of them laughing while smashing, burning, killing.....
They are not doing this for the reasons you think. They are doing it for fun.
They are attacking left owned businesses, Right owned businesses, black owned businesses.
3 black cops have been shot at close range.
They are showing up at liberal politicians houses, Republicans houses......burning black neighborhoods and white.
They are beating and killing random people, pulling random people from their cars and beating them without knowing the victims beliefs.
Antifa says they dont care about politics or government, they want the USA to fall because its fun.
Seriously, they have ZERO plan on doning the right thing for our country.
 
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Shadow2 said:
Sorry if your upset but yes they have more conviction about their beliefs then gun owners do. Its pretty clear gun owners are like parents who don't have any follow through. I'm not one to dance around political correctness. Their goal was to make the establishment fold and they are doing a great job at it. Sorry if that bothers you but ruining a lawn didn't quite cut the mustard did it.

You can disagree with what they are doing I'm not a fan of private property destruction but all government buildings are kinda within the scope of what the framers believed. How else exactly does one address tyranny. By filing a complaint ? How has that work out?

This was bound to happen eventually its been in the making for over 20 years. Its laughable that anyone is shocked by it. The core message is getting lost in all the destruction but that doesn't mean its not valid complaint.
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It's not about a conviction to their beliefs at all. For most it's a convenient excuse to act like animals.
 
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Shadow2 said:
Sorry if your upset but yes they have more conviction about their beliefs then gun owners do. Its pretty clear gun owners are like parents who don't have any follow through. I'm not one to dance around political correctness. Their goal was to make the establishment fold and they are doing a great job at it. Sorry if that bothers you but ruining a lawn didn't quite cut the mustard did it.

You can disagree with what they are doing I'm not a fan of private property destruction but all government buildings are kinda within the scope of what the framers believed. How else exactly does one address tyranny. By filing a complaint ? How has that work out?

This was bound to happen eventually its been in the making for over 20 years. Its laughable that anyone is shocked by it. The core message is getting lost in all the destruction but that doesn't mean its not valid complaint.
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They have the media and local governments running interference for them.

That is the difference.

Can you imagine if 2A supporters unleashed like this ?

The media went nuts calling us violent insurrectionists for actually peacefully protesting while armed.
 
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I know, I realize that. But the numbers of fires dispersed over almost half of the west in such a short time is worth noting .

The police have arrested dozens of people for arson out west and the media is selling it as some kind of global warming bullshit . They are down playing the story .
 
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holdover said:
I know, I realize that. But the numbers of fires dispersed over almost half of the west in such a short time is worth noting .

The police have arrested dozens of people for arson out west and the media is selling it as some kind of global warming bullshit . They are down playing the story .
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I wonder what % of the arsonists are even being caught.

It seems like an extremely easy crime to get away with, setting a fire in the middle of nowhere.

So, if they are catching dozens, how many are committed ?
 
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holdover said:
I know, I realize that. But the numbers of fires dispersed over almost half of the west in such a short time is worth noting .

The police have arrested dozens of people for arson out west and the media is selling it as some kind of global warming bullshit . They are down playing the story .
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Concur. We were just doing the apples/oranges thing.

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Apparently I have been posting misinformation and conspiracy theory's regarding the fires out west. they are all due to lighting strikes and campfires. Please disregard the posts of the police , the arrests for arson , the names and places of those events , and eyewitness accounts and police radio recordings.


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