Walmart obtaining your documents illegally????

[Chicken Shoot]

Went to Walmart tonight and they are requiring your birth certificate and/or Social Security card on top of your driver's license in order for you to buy a gun! They will not sell a gun to anyone who does not present these documents as the BC and SS card are probably the ONLY govt licensed documents showing your full middle name!! You are required by law to fill in your middle name in full on the 4473. Not sure if this has been posted already, but this is 100% illegal as far as I can see. They have no reason, and no authority, to be collecting these documents, photo copying them and having them in their possession!! I think a lawyer is in order here as there is a HUGE identity theft risk among other issues like invasion of privacy I would think. I know I have officially put Walmart on my "DO NOT SHOP" list. Never again Walmart ... never again.

 

[Darth]

Not really illegal considering you don't have to shop there if you don't like their policies.

 

[GOYABEAN]

maybe bloomturd bought 99.9% of wally world stock

 

[Toecutter]

Yeah I wouldn’t buy a gun from Walmart anyway I like to support the few little guys left.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Walmart on any given day of the week = third circle of Hell.

Walmart on Sunday? SAINTS PRESERVE US.

 

[Jmac00]

why would you buy a gun at a store, that will not sell you ammo

 

[Saltwater60]

Went to Walmart tonight and they are requiring your birth certificate and/or Social Security card on top of your driver's license in order for you to buy a gun! They will not sell a gun to anyone who does not present these documents as the BC and SS card are probably the ONLY govt licensed documents showing your full middle name!! You are required by law to fill in your middle name in full on the 4473. Not sure if this has been posted already, but this is 100% illegal as far as I can see. They have no reason, and no authority, to be collecting these documents, photo copying them and having them in their possession!! I think a lawyer is in order here as there is a HUGE identity theft risk among other issues like invasion of privacy I would think. I know I have officially put Walmart on my "DO NOT SHOP" list. Never again Walmart ... never again.

I’d imagine you’ll see more and more of this. With the illegals getting driver licenses I think the time will come soon when a standard drivers license isn’t going to work to purchase a firearm.

 

[Airborneguy]

A cop in one of my groups on Facebook just posted today Walmart in Monticello knew by his driver’s license that he was a cop. He questioned them how and ended up in a big argument with them but eventually gave up and left because they threatened to call the local police. He was purchasing ammo and they asked for his DL.

 

[MothMan]

To much info on DL to to have scanned by stores. I won’t buy beer at stores that say they have to scan my DL.

 

[spat]

Went to Walmart tonight and they are requiring your birth certificate and/or Social Security card on top of your driver's license in order for you to buy a gun! They will not sell a gun to anyone who does not present these documents as the BC and SS card are probably the ONLY govt licensed documents showing your full middle name!! You are required by law to fill in your middle name in full on the 4473. Not sure if this has been posted already, but this is 100% illegal as far as I can see. They have no reason, and no authority, to be collecting these documents, photo copying them and having them in their possession!! I think a lawyer is in order here as there is a HUGE identity theft risk among other issues like invasion of privacy I would think. I know I have officially put Walmart on my "DO NOT SHOP" list. Never again Walmart ... never again.

Like Darth said, it's not illegal.

Anyone can *ask* you for whatever information they want to. You have the right to tell most of them to pound sand, Walmart included.

Walmart can refuse to sell a gun to anyone they don't want to.

Combining those 2 things doesn't make an illegal act out of 2 legal ones.

Now, if you were a minority and accused them of not selling you the gun because of that, you could probably get yourself a nice court settlement, but it still probably wouldn't be illegal.

 

[spat]

A cop in one of my groups on Facebook just posted today Walmart in Monticello knew by his driver’s license that he was a cop. He questioned them how and ended up in a big argument with them but eventually gave up and left because they threatened to call the local police. He was purchasing ammo and they asked for his DL.

I give good odds that Google, Apple, and Amazon can get more information about you from your DL# or SS# (or phone #) than the cops do when they run it.

They can probably tell you what you had for breakfast yesterday, and when you last took a dump.

If you don't believe me, remember that your phone has a GPS in it and those companies have access to every purchase you make.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Just tell them you're an illegal alien and show them your voter ID card.......

 

[GOPerfect]

Not sure if this is an illegal process, almost positive it is not.

Simple, don't shop at Walmart.

Not just don't shop there for guns, holy shit man, stop giving them your money for anything.

It is an evil empire type store! Why would anyone shop there? Seriously???

 

[Airborneguy]

I give good odds that Google, Apple, and Amazon can get more information about you from your DL# or SS# (or phone #) than the cops do when they run it.

They can probably tell you what you had for breakfast yesterday, and when you last took a dump.

If you don't believe me, remember that your phone has a GPS in it and those companies have access to every purchase you make.

How about this one:

Five minutes ago, my wife was showing me a necklace she is interested in, on her phone.

This is the necklace. From a screenshot. From my phone. Two minutes later.

 

[GOPerfect]

Scary shit.

I turn my phone off when my wife and I talk.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Can't put that Fucking Genie in the bottle now

 

[Chicken Shoot]

Not really illegal considering you don't have to shop there if you don't like their policies.

I would say that holds merit but I can't say it holds merit. They can't request those documents or deny you to purchase an item plain and simple. Yeah ... fuck it. Let's just let them do what they want. Let's just let the corporations run the little slaves lives and do thy bidding of the govt. With mentality like yours, it's no wonder America is no more. Why fight it right?? I don't take shit moves like a business dictating our lives and getting away with it very well. Businesses that are in America seem to have more power than the govt and that also appears to be fine with most. No wonder Americans are looked at as a bunch of pussies. I think it's time a business I know well requires to see a voter ID card so it can determine who it will serve and whom I won't. Seems fair and 100% legal obviously. (Good thing it's not a bakery though!!)

I do agree that we can choose where to shop which I have now decided never to shop at any Walmart but c'mon, this is a total dick move that is only in place for malicious intentions and is really a business enforcing laws that the govt cannot. Federal ATF rules state govt issued photo ID is all that is needed to purchase a firearm and run the NICS BGC. Walmart has now taken it a step further which to me should disqualify them from even possessing an FFL.

 

[Acer-m14]

can we call the ATF and have wallyworlds FFL revoked fuck them ..

 

[Chicken Shoot]

can we call the ATF and have wallyworlds FFL revoked fuck them ..

I will actually be calling the ATF tomorrow to see what is what. Not really too optimistic as birthcertificate and SS Card are accepted forms of ID but with those, a photo ID would be required as well. We'll see. My feathers are really ruffled on this one. Yes, I support the LGS but there was an over/under shotgun there that has really good reviews and is priced way below what LGS's can even purchase them at so that's what I was after to start shooting skeet without spending alot because I don't have alot to begin with.

 

[Acer-m14]

@Chicken Shoot .. My DL just has my middle ini .. when i do the 4473 i write it out .. never had a problem with the LGS's here .. just got a Mosin a few weeks/month ago ..

got my other Mosin back in 2014 and a over under SKB at a different LGS .. no issue ..

FK Walmart

 

[Deplorable Me]

Be damned if I carry those documents around with me.

 

[Darth]

I would say that holds merit but I can't say it holds merit. They can't request those documents or deny you to purchase an item plain and simple. Yeah ... fuck it. Let's just let them do what they want. Let's just let the corporations run the little slaves lives and do thy bidding of the govt. With mentality like yours, it's no wonder America is no more. Why fight it right?? I don't take shit moves like a business dictating our lives and getting away with it very well. Businesses that are in America seem to have more power than the govt and that also appears to be fine with most. No wonder Americans are looked at as a bunch of pussies. I think it's time a business I know well requires to see a voter ID card so it can determine who it will serve and whom I won't. Seems fair and 100% legal obviously. (Good thing it's not a bakery though!!).

I do agree that we can choose where to shop which I have now decided never to shop at any Walmart but c'mon, this is a total dick move that is only in place for malicious intentions and is really a business enforcing laws that the govt cannot. Federal ATF rules state govt issued photo ID is all that is needed to purchase a firearm and run the NICS BGC. Walmart has now taken it a step further which to me should disqualify them from even possessing an FFL.

When you own the business, you make the rules. It's really as simple as that.

Last thing you want is the government telling you who you WILL sell to.

 

[repete]

I would say that holds merit but I can't say it holds merit. They can't request those documents or deny you to purchase an item plain and simple. Yeah ... fuck it. Let's just let them do what they want. Let's just let the corporations run the little slaves lives and do thy bidding of the govt. With mentality like yours, it's no wonder America is no more. Why fight it right?? I don't take shit moves like a business dictating our lives and getting away with it very well. Businesses that are in America seem to have more power than the govt and that also appears to be fine with

The store can ask for devoice papers marriage license even a stool sample if they want and you can always say NO. No law against it. You want to fight the policy? Simple tell the manager that you disagree with it and then stop shopping there and call corporate and tell them the same thing , it's that simple.
BTW SS cards used to (may still) say right down on the bottom NOT TO BE USED FOR ID.

 

[Marine Cpl]

How about this one:

Five minutes ago, my wife was showing me a necklace she is interested in, on her phone.

This is the necklace. From a screenshot. From my phone. Two minutes later.

Similar things used to happen to me when I had the Facebook app on my phone. I eventually dropped Facebook all together but after it started happening, I uninstalled the actual Facebook app and only used it by going to Facebook.com from the safari internet browser and it stopped.

Try using only the mobile versions of the webpages from Facebook, instagram, Reddit, quota, ect from your internet browser.

 

[Airborneguy]

There’s different versions of the facebook app or you mean a browser app then just browse to facebook?

 

[Chevusa]

Not really illegal considering you don't have to shop there if you don't like their policies.

It actually could be. In my line of work I am well schooled in the Red Flag Rule (not the same as red flag gun laws) and other privacy laws. If I have a copy of your drivers license or SS card in a non-secure area and I'm audited, it is an $11,000 fine per sheet of paper.

 

[Darth]

It actually could be. In my line of work I am well schooled in the Red Flag Rule (not the same as red flag gun laws) and other privacy laws. If I have a copy of your drivers license or SS card in a non-secure area and I'm audited, it is an $11,000 fine per sheet of paper.

You'd only have a copy if I gave it to you.

 

[Chevusa]

You'd only have a copy if I gave it to you.

Right. And people obviously are. Them giving you the document doesn't skirt the Red Flag Rule. They are still responsible and taking documents that are not required could certainly open them up to problems.

 

[Darth]

Right. And people obviously are. Them giving you the document doesn't skirt the Red Flag Rule. They are still responsible and taking documents that are not required could certainly open them up to problems.

Doubt it. Otherwise I could throw one on your counter and run and you're out $11k.

 

[Chevusa]

Like Darth said, it's not illegal.

Anyone can *ask* you for whatever information they want to. You have the right to tell most of them to pound sand, Walmart included.

Taking personal documents that are not required by law as part of the transaction would certainly open them up to legal scrutiny and is also likely a violation of the Reg Flag Rules, set by the Federal Trade Commission.