Walmart obtaining your documents illegally????
- Thread starter Chicken Shoot
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Doesn't hold water. I would have to be audited the exact moment you threw it down. Let's be realistic. Ever hear of security cameras?
They collected the personal documents and they are in possession of them.
That were given to them of their own free will.
Yes but when they are possessed there are rules to follow.
Their record keeping after the fact isn't really relevant to the topic at hand.
Them collecting documents that aren't legally required is likely also a violation of the rules. It doesn't matter if you consent or not. The rule applies to the business not the consumer.
What rule prevents a customer from voluntarily providing whatever they like to a business?
Red Flag Rule. The business asked for and accepted the non-required personal documents. Also as a part of the rules is a pre-set plan for each exact business location outlining how they are in compliance with the rules, documentation of required ongoing training and identity theft recognition measures, chain of custody, safe storage, secure areas, it goes on and on.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Browser. I started going to Facebook.com on safari. I don’t know why I said browser app.
Again, record keeping after the fact is irrelevant.
It's part of the same rules that outline what personal identifying documents should be collected and what purpose they are collected for.
It is optional on that form.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Driver’s licenses mean nothing these days since they are given out to illegal aliens without any documentation. A guy can go to the DMV and say his name is Jorge Gonzales and he gets one. That’s why Wal-Mart is requiring additional documentation for proof of citizenship.
What they should do is only accept the Real ID. The one that has the Star on it. The one that can now only be used when flying.
Perhaps you didn’t have the Real ID so they required additional documentation?
What they should do is only accept the Real ID. The one that has the Star on it. The one that can now only be used when flying.
Perhaps you didn’t have the Real ID so they required additional documentation?
The parameters of the transaction are set forth by the ATF. There should be no deviation from the process they have set. Any requirement for additional documents should be at the directive of the ATF and them alone. Do not surrender anything that is not legally required by them.
Is a Social Security card a proper means of identification for purchasing a firearm from a licensee? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
No. An identification document must contain the name, residence address, date of birth and photograph of the holder. A Social Security card does not, by itself, contain sufficient information to identify a firearms purchaser. However, a purchaser may be identified by any combination of...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Is a Social Security card a proper means of identification for purchasing a firearm from a licensee?
No. An identification document must contain the name, residence address, date of birth and photograph of the holder. A Social Security card does not, by itself, contain sufficient information to identify a firearms purchaser. However, a purchaser may be identified by any combination of government–issued documents which together establish all of the required information.
[27 CFR 478.11 and 478.124(c)]
No. An identification document must contain the name, residence address, date of birth and photograph of the holder. A Social Security card does not, by itself, contain sufficient information to identify a firearms purchaser. However, a purchaser may be identified by any combination of government–issued documents which together establish all of the required information.
[27 CFR 478.11 and 478.124(c)]
Another conversation that needlessly turned into badgering and snarkiness for no good reason.
That is like the points system for DMV. You need 6 points of ID if you don't have a valid in state drivers license. In this case the person in question had his NYS license, therefore satisfying the requirements and no further identifying documents are necessary.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Yet there are stores in NY who will not sell pistol caliber ammunition unless you have a pistol permit...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I understand why you don’t like it. At the same time if you do not like it, you don’t have to buy your gun at Walmart. In my gun shop if I owned one, I too can require to only accept Real ID’s or Passports so that this doesn’t happen to me below.
That is different, as they are not collecting your information as part of a transaction. They are looking at your permit as part of their store policy. No documents were placed in their possession.
It doesn't matter what I like. What matters are the rules. I agree, I would not do business with a store violating them.I understand why you don’t like it. At the same time if you do not like it, you don’t have to buy your gun at Walmart. In my gun shop if I owned one, I too can require to only accept Real ID’s or Passports so that this doesn’t happen to me below.
Yup, I've told that story before. Happened to me and like 6 other cops trying to buy 9mm at the Walmart in Norwich in 2006.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The rules do not say that you must sell firearms to anyone that comes in your shop. If you owned one, you can refuse to even allow people to enter with no shirt and shoes. You can also make it to where only vetted members that pay a yearly club fee can buy gun from you. You can make it to where you only sell to law enforcement agencies. Anything.
Nobody said you couldn't. But the rules do govern collecting personal identifying documents, and the purposes for which they may be collected.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The rules are for the minimum requirement for ID. Not the maximum. I can require only Real ID’s or regular driver’s licenses with passports in leu of the Real ID in my gun shop. That isn’t illegal. But if all I did was require an old high school ID I would be in violation of federal law.
I don’t know why this is even argued. The bottom line is that you can boycott them because you don’t like their policies. I boycott a local gun shop / range by me because they are overpriced and enforce ridiculous gun rules at their range.