Washington state bill to ban 'philosophical' vaccine exemptions

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

Vaccines caused autism here in this federal court case http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/.../ABELL.ZELLER073008.pdf
And here page 2 http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/.../CAMPBELL-SMITH.MOJABI...
And here -
https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc...

Here are 83 cases reviewed by lawyers http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi...

Oh look here's a dead kid compensated https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc...

If you ever need a lawyer http://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/cases/

Here are 127 separate studies linking vaccines and autism. https://www.scribd.com/.../124-Research-Papers-Supporting...

Read this about Hannah Brusewitz case and how she was harmed by DTP
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/09-152

Supreme Court Unavoidably Unsafe
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

A dose-response relationship between organic mercury exposure from thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681

Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990-2010.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531966

Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9345669

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

Infection, vaccines and other environmental triggers of autoimmunity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16126512

DTP with or after measles vaccination is associated with increased in-hospital mortality in Guinea-Bissau.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17092614#

Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535

Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

The plausibility of a role for mercury in the etiology of autism: a cellular perspective
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173748/

Detection of RNA of Mumps Virus during an Outbreak in a Population with a High Level of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccine Coverage
http://jcm.asm.org/content/46/3/1101.long

A case series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560

Aluminum in the central nervous system (CNS): toxicity in humans and animals, vaccine adjuvants, and autoimmunity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23609067

Unvaccinated Children are Healthier
http://www.mednat.org/vaccini/dannivacc_study.pdf

Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity
http://www.plosone.org/.../10.1371/journal.pone.0008382

Combination MMRV vaccine linked with 2-fold risk of seizures
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub.../2010-06/kp-cmv062310.php

Impact of environmental factors on the prevalence of autistic disorder after 1979
http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/.../article1409245960...

Increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infections associated with receipt of inactivated influenza vaccine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22423139

Effectiveness of trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine in influenza-related hospitalization in children: a case-control study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22525386

Speciation of methyl- and ethyl-mercury in hair of breastfed infants acutely exposed to thimerosal-containing vaccines.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21575620

Comparison of VAERS fetal-loss reports during three consecutive influenza seasons
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888271/
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FDA concludes vaccines cause Autism
http://www.getcancercure.com/fda-announce-that-dtap.../

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A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between…
A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and the risk for an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in the United States

Marine Cpl · Feb 19, 2019

Dr. Evil said:
Are you talking about my kids? Respectfully disagree. You really don't have any idea how they have been raised and what we have done with them for over 20 years. Your definition of being okay is not having the disease someone would be vaccinated for. There are so many unexplained or iatrogenic/autoimmune diseases that so many have where they wouldn't even think to look at the vaccine connection because they don't have the illness they were vaccinated for. So I look at my kids as being in better health compared to the average kid their age based on what we have done and how we have done it as well as what they most likely won't have to deal with as they age.

Again, the bottom line to me is choice. I will never try to tell someone they should or they shouldn't vaccinate. Unfortunately many don't look at information for both sides and just go on emotion like they do with guns. I am no more an anti-vaccine nut than I am a gun nut although the left would consider me a gun nut because I believe in the freedom protected under the constitution.

Four things can/will happen with people. #1 - they will only look at the reasons some say they should vaccinate and they will vaccinate. #2 - they will only look at the reasons some say they shouldn't vaccinate and they won't vaccinate. #3 - they will look at both sides and choose to vaccinate. #4 - they will look at both sides and choose not to vaccinate. Obviously we all want what's best for our children. We just don't all agree what that is. I have no issue with that. That's what freedom is about.

This wasn't a decision that my wife and I made on a whim or took lightly. It was based on years of study and understanding as well as application of an understanding of health and how we choose to live. For those that are interested here are just some of the info that many don't contemplate in making such a decision. When all is said and done the bottom line is we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree.

Vaccine File.pdf
Vaccines Cause Chronic Immune System Dysregulation - Myersdetox.com

Yes. I'm talking about them or any kids that go to school without vaccinations. The fact of the matter is that they are safe because others are vaccinated so they aren't exposed to polio, mumps, ect.

No matter how much you work out or eat right, you can get those diseases. Just ask the American Indians. They couldn't eat any righter and their whole lives consisted of exercise and physical exertion.

I'm not saying that vaccinations don't cause issues. They cause plenty. But issues would be far greater without them. We'd be suffering from plagues without them like in past times that whole towns we're wiped out.

Those that don't take them benefit from those that do. I don't think anyone can dispute that.

Airborneguy · Feb 19, 2019

Even if the choice not to vaccinate was 100% guaranteed to be the more healthy choice, the fact that (hopefully) most people they come into contact ARE vaccinated still benefits them.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

Willjr75 said:
Yes. I'm talking about them or any kids that go to school without vaccinations. The fact of the matter is that they are safe because others are vaccinated so they aren't exposed to polio, mumps, ect.

No matter how much you work out or eat right, you can get those diseases. Just ask the American Indians. They couldn't eat any righter and their whole lives consisted of exercise and physical exertion.

I'm not saying that vaccinations don't cause issues. They cause plenty. But issues would be far greater without them. We'd be suffering from plagues without them like in past times that whole towns we're wiped out.

Those that don't take them benefit from those that do. I don't think anyone can dispute that.

There is way more than just exercise and diet. That's the part you aren't looking at because people aren't typically exposed to it and it isn't the norm in society. It is also not comparing apples to apples when we compare society in the past to now in many ways as far as environment. Wow, you read the links I posted pretty fast to come to your conclusion. Thanks for taking the time to earnestly look at both sides.

Like I said, we'll just agree to disagree.

ECU Pirates · Feb 19, 2019

Dr. Evil said:
There is way more than just exercise and diet. That's the part you aren't looking at because people aren't typically exposed to it and it isn't the norm in society. It is also not comparing apples to apples when we compare society in the past to now in many ways as far as environment. Wow, you read the links I posted pretty fast to come to your conclusion. Thanks for taking the time to earnestly look at both sides. Like I said, we'll just agree to disagree.

No ones going to read those links. Incoild post ten times the amount you posted showing the opposite. I would hope you wouldn’t read them all! People have their minds made up and time is valuable! Diet and exercise can’t precent measles. Vaccines can though.

Marine Cpl · Feb 19, 2019

Dr. Evil said:
There is way more than just exercise and diet. That's the part you aren't looking at because people aren't typically exposed to it and it isn't the norm in society. It is also not comparing apples to apples when we compare society in the past to now in many ways as far as environment. Wow, you read the links I posted pretty fast to come to your conclusion. Thanks for taking the time to earnestly look at both sides. Like I said, we'll just agree to disagree.

No. I didn't read all of them. Mostly skimmed them. But you ever wonder why those kids seem healthier? It's because of the sacrifice of others who take them. Because if nobody took them, we'd be like the Indians.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

Willjr75 said:
No. I didn't read all of them. Mostly skimmed them. But you ever wonder why those kids seem healthier? It's because of the sacrifice of others who take them. Because if nobody took them, we'd be like the Indians.

Question for you and I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I say this because tone can be lost sometimes when typing online and I don't want you to take it the wrong way. Is there a realm of possibility that you don't know everything in the world or how everything works? Is that even possible?

Marine Cpl · Feb 19, 2019

Dr. Evil said:
Question for you and I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I say this because tone can be lost sometimes when typing online and I don't want you to take it the wrong way. Is there a realm of possibility that you don't know everything in the world or how everything works? Is that even possible?

No. There isn't. But in this case I know I'm right. If for arguments sake I vaccinate 5 kids and 1 of them becomes autistic that sucks. It really does. But if they were exposed to polio, none will get it compared to none of them being vaccinated and exposed to polio. It's a necessary evil.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

ECU Pirates said:
No ones going to read those links. Incoild post ten times the amount you posted showing the opposite. I would hope you wouldn’t read them all! People have their minds made up and time is valuable! Diet and exercise can’t precent measles. Vaccines can though.

I think I referred to your point when I said "I know there are 2 sides to the story." Didn't expect him to read everything. Also hoped he would come back and at least say something like, "I'll take a look at some of the info and give you my thoughts on it" instead of just saying what he did and repeating the same old same old. Oh well. Diet and exercise alone? Probably not. Again, I referred to the point I do other things. BTW, I don't live my life trying to "prevent" disease. I live my life trying to be healthy and my body will work the way it was designed to. That's the underlying difference I suppose when you don't live in fear at least related to health.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

Willjr75 said:
No. There isn't. But in this case I know I'm right. If for arguments sake I vaccinate 5 kids and 1 of them becomes autistic that sucks. It really does. But if they were exposed to polio, none will get it compared to none of them being vaccinated and exposed to polio. It's a necessary evil.

The first three sentences of your response told me what I needed to know. Thanks for clarifying.

Marine Cpl · Feb 19, 2019

Dr. Evil said:
The first three sentences of your response told me what I needed to know. Thanks for clarifying.

You are welcome.

Marine Cpl · Feb 19, 2019

I know I come off as an asshole but there is no malicious intentions.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

Willjr75 said:
I know I come off as an asshole but there is no malicious intentions.

None taken. This candor works fine with me. Just a difference in how we go about doing things.

ECU Pirates · Feb 19, 2019

How can anyone make a rational argument that those who don’t vaccinate benefit from those who do? Unless a person thinks vaccines don’t work and diseases follow a cyclical life cycle.

ECU Pirates · Feb 19, 2019

Will is an asshole but at least he won’t spread polio.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

ECU Pirates said:
How can anyone make a rational argument that those who don’t vaccinate benefit from those who do? Unless a person thinks vaccines don’t work and diseases follow a cyclical life cycle.

I don't remember saying that. I just said I benefit from what I do.

ECU Pirates · Feb 19, 2019

Dr. Evil said:
I don't remember saying that. I just said I benefit from what I do.

Not you but others have said they don’t.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

ECU Pirates said:
Will is an asshole but at least he won’t spread polio.

No he isn't and neither will I.

Marine Cpl · Feb 19, 2019

ECU Pirates said:
Will is an asshole but at least he won’t spread polio.

Things come off sounding differently on text but in real like if sitting at a table, it'll just be a discussion with a whole lot of "get the fuck out of heres" where no one takes offense.

Dr. Evil · Feb 19, 2019

ECU Pirates said:
Not you but others have said they don’t.

I think I was confused because it seems to me you said two different things in your posts. Since I am not fond of the germ theory I guess I don't feel I would benefit if I was not vaccinated by someone who is vaccinated if that is your question. I'm not saying just sit with your fingers crossed and hope, I'm talking about being proactive to be healthy. In my world, for day to day life, it's the soil not the seed.

Truebeliever · Feb 20, 2019

Burzum said:
Wrong, it has not been "debunked," nobody on this forum (except "Dr. Evil") has the academic prowess of Dr. Zimmerman, the article in my link is from The Hill, not some crackpot fake news site, going around spouting that there is "no direct evidence" is like touting "commonsense gun control."

from the article:
“Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion mirrors that of another pro-vaccine medical expert — the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former director of the National Institutes of Health. And it lines up with what the head of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Immunization Safety, Dr. Frank DeStefano, told me in 2014. When asked about vaccines triggering autism in certain susceptible children, DeStefano acknowledged it as possible.”

How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism

The CDC, the Europeans, Australia’s version of it had looked at it.

One doctor says possibly some but even he is not saying it.

Hundreds of researchers are saying the opposite including researchers who’s own kids are on Autism spectrum.

It doesn’t explain Autism in kids who did not get the vaccine.

The Hill and the reporter on this piece are the real thing. There is a reason this made news. Because it was debunked and now this doctor says “possibly “nowThat’s why it was news.

Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

An immunity response reaction is what he says might be the cause in some but it is more widely believed that it is a virus that is the cause. Similar to HPV causing cancer. It explains so much more than the vaccine theory.

And after the orginal Autism vaccines scare, parents stopped giving vaccinations or delayed it until they were older. The rate of Autism did not go down during this period.

One does not have to be a scientist to recognize patterns but it helps to understand how they speak. For a scientist to say something is “possible “ doesn’t mean it’s probable. Hang out with a few. You would know what I mean.

Darth · Feb 20, 2019

Airborneguy said:
Government shouldn’t force retards to vaccinate, but it should limit our responsibility when their stupidity comes to fruition. Health insurance companies should also refuse to pay for any treatment resulting from an easily precentable disease acquired due to lack of vaccination.

110%.

Darth · Feb 20, 2019

Willjr75 said:
They are okay and are "living proof" because everyone else is vaccinated. If they weren't, they'd be in serious danger.

vaccination-it-works-i-dont-feel-any-rain-stupid-umbrealls-herd-immunity.jpg

The overeating and sedentary lifestyle must have been what killed all those people during the Plague.

"I went to war and didn't die. I'm living proof that war isn't dangerous."

:ROFL:

Phauxtoe · Feb 20, 2019

your rights END where other people Rights start.
If you dont want to get a vaccine then...
Stay at home!
Stay out of Schools.
Stay away from society.

Some Idiot Lesbian foster mother doesn't vaccinate her kids, then my kid brings home the disease to kill my aging mother or my Newborn!

F-THAT!

spat · Feb 20, 2019

Let's assume for a minute that vaccines *do* cause autism.

You know what's worse than autism ?

Polio.

Polio is worse than autism.

Darth · Feb 20, 2019

Phauxtoe said:
your rights END where other people Rights start.
If you dont want to get a vaccine then...
Stay at home!
Stay out of Schools.
Stay away from society.

Some Idiot Lesbian foster mother doesn't vaccinate her kids, then my kid brings home the disease to kill my aging mother or my Newborn!

F-THAT!

Bad.

"You want to carry a gun? Stay out of..."

Your rights do not end where others "begin."

Dr. Evil · Feb 20, 2019

I think it's important to understand a little more about me and part of why I take the positions I do much to the dismay of some. I apologize ahead of time to those who care to read my post for the length. My life has kind of been one big science experiment in a way.

I was raised in a typical medical family as my dad was a doctor. We had a pill for anything that ailed us (and that was many for me) although we had the luxury of free samples lol because of my dad. My history was filled with typical/weird things health wise. I was severely allergic to many things environmentally and food wise. I almost died as a child because my epiglottis swelled shut and cut off my airway. I went weekly to an allergist. I had numerous stomach issues that required many colonoscopies. Basically an auto immune mess. Later in life I got diagnosed with chronic vertigo. For 2 weeks out of every month for a year I was dizzy, foggy, the room would spin upon lying down and getting up and I would periodically vomit uncontrollably. Yeah, for 6 months out of the year this went on. Obviously there was concern for a brain tumor but fortunately that was ruled out. So you see health-wise, a bulk of my life was brutal even with everything the medical profession had to offer me.

I have researched and studied different approaches to getting better. Sometimes I was disappointed but ultimately I was able to learn ways and implement them to make me better now without any meds over the last 20 years. Unfortunately because they aren't mainstream, many know nothing about them. I base what I post on what I experience, not what I think or might have just read. I'll also give you a few examples about Mrs. Evil.

A number of years ago through functional medicine testing I do she presented with a very strong hit for a particular type of cancer cell frequency. We all have pre-cancerous cells but this one in particular was pretty strong. She asked me what type of cell it was and because of the fancy name I wasn't sure. She freaked out a bit because it turned out to be an adrenal gland type cell. You see, her mom died 6 years ago at 69 from adrenal gland cancer which isn't a very common form. With some work, that cell hit hasn't shown up again. She also does thermograms yearly instead of mammograms for the last 8 years. More info and no radiation. In 2017 she had an abnormal scan as noted by the MD radiologist who read the results. "There is a vascular pattern observed at the 12 o'clock position in the left breast which may be evolving based on changes in asymmetry, distribution and intensity. The temperature differential is 2.14 degree C." Tumors receive more blood so the temperature increases. She got scared and frustrated because she eats very clean, exercises and does a lot of things to be healthy. My mindset wasn't frustration because I said who knows where you would be now if you weren't doing all of these things. So, we got more aggressive with the work and she added skin brushing also for lymphatic circulation. She did a 6 month follow up which they recommended. Here's what the follow up report read. "There are no significant thermal changes observed in this follow up study. Thermal patterns and temperature differentials have remained stable. These findings do not appear thermographically suspicious."

Please understand it wasn't my intention to derail this thread. I share this personal information about my family thinking it would be helpful for some to understand where my perspective is coming from as well as my passion for people who are willing to acknowledge that there are things that just are regardless of whether they believe they are or not. Everyone has the right to treat their body as they see fit. You reach those who are willing to look and listen. I rely on what I do and have learned for the sake of my family. It has done so much for us but because it isn't common, not understood or even known about by many, people like to throw shit my way. It is what it is and doesn't take away from me or my family. Bottom line is there is way more to health than diet and exercise. I'll now bow out of this thread. As always, YMMV.

@thewheels · Feb 20, 2019

Airborneguy said:
But it’s 100% that an unvaccinated person who catches measles got it because they didn’t vaccinate.

You can still get it after being vaccinated.
1 dose is about 93% effective
2 doses is about 97% effective

Airborneguy · Feb 20, 2019

I know, look closely how I wrote that.

I know theres a chance that vaccinated people can still get a particular disease. But it’s 100% that unvaccinated people can.

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