What’s needed for a full AR build ?

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Hi all

any good threads or YouTube videos for what’s needed for an AR15 build from scratch?

just recently got a PSA stripped lower, and want to start a build. Since I have a full feature AR with mag lock, I think this one will be a featureless.
 
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Thanks kev. Just checked out their site for their offerings on lower kits.
I’m wondering if it’s worth getting a cheap kit, without buffer and buy that separate or find a kit with buffer. I don’t need the grip since I’ll have to go with an ugly featureless

so many options and the reason I went with build your own, lots to choose.
 
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Full? Different state.

But featureless NY you have the lower you still need

- thordsen stock (don't even research alternatives to this--they all suck)
- complete lower parts kit
- upper
- upper parts kit
- barrel
- gas block
- gas tube (I think carbine length is what most people use)
- bolt carrier group
- hand guard

OR

combine the upper, upper parts, barrel, gas block, tube, hand guard all into just a finished upper, but you'll still need a bolt carrier group

Remember to get the barrel non-threaded.
 
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For a featureless one you can buy a threaded barrel and silver solder an end cap on or a fake suppressor or a fake flash hider or a fake muzzle brake.
 
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Briwesk85 said:
Hi all

any good threads or YouTube videos for what’s needed for an AR15 build from scratch?

just recently got a PSA stripped lower, and want to start a build. Since I have a full feature AR with mag lock, I think this one will be a featureless.
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I definitely agree on going with the Gen III Thordsen Stock if you plan on building a featureless rifle. It’s the best option that there is out there right now. It’s up to you on how you want it to be built. If you want a featureless one so you’re able to have detachable magazines, that’s the best way to go. If you want to have some of the nicer accessories on it than you have to lock the magazine into the lower receiver. The locked mag options definitely look nicer but it all comes down to practicality. Normally I tell people to go with the featureless Thordsen stock so they are able to change mags easily in case it’s ever used in a defensive situation. BUT...if you never plan on using it for a defensive situation and know ahead of time that it’ll only be a range toy, you can go the locked mag route and have the nicer features and build a really nice long-range weapon (since shooting long range is shot slower anyway). I’ll attach some pictures of some different NY complaint AR’s I’ve built for customers so you can have an idea of your options. 0C1D762A-68F5-4099-ACB4-A46E1F0D3B22.jpeg 15211BF8-58C6-402C-A4B9-7C5B0B17AFEF.jpeg 005799C7-2039-4D44-9083-ED91C29590CD.jpeg 251AE04A-A329-4584-BD98-44C5FA9E9746.jpeg 08DB0FDD-2B05-4AF5-82E0-9EC1B9AAFCA0.jpeg 3A573E10-0A26-4557-9F57-C65E5B751FB0.jpeg
 
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Grimscale said:
Stats/parts list on this one?

How is that stock not considered a thumb-hole stock and thus rendering the rifle "illegal" in New York?
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That’s the Thordsen Gen III. Its a NY complaint stock. It’s the same exact stock that’s on the one that we Cerakoted in the OD Green and Black. It’s not the same as a traditional thumbhole stock because traditional thumbhole stocks allow for the grip angle to be much more similar to a standard AR/M4 grip, the Thordsen Gen III has a much more swooping back grip.
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When it comes to Thordsons stocks,,,,I thought thumb hole stocks were not legal on a gun that had detachable magazines. At least this is what I remember before changing the stock on my Ruger 10/22
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The Thordsen’s are not considered a “thumb hole” stock. You are allowed to have the Thordsen stocks and detachable magazines.
 
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They are in my eyes,,,what written info do you have from the state that its compliant?
 
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NY State Police dont make the laws. Plus, if it even mattered, being that they dont write laws,,,,they wrote nothing down.

Everything that is written was written by the stock manufacture. They said the above happened. How is anyone in their right mind suppose to believe this when it comes to whether they spend time in jail or just end up spending a shit load of money to get out of being arrested.
 
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JamieZ said:
When it comes to Thordsons stocks,,,,I thought thumb hole stocks were not legal on a gun that had detachable magazines. At least this is what I remember before changing the stock on my Ruger 10/22


Rifle above is not compliant per safe act laws,,,no matter what the manufacture of the stock says
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They wrote the law so vaguely nobody knows what’s legal and what’s not. The NYSP don’t even know, and neither are they lawyers. Call them on 3 separate occasions and you’ll get 3 different answers.
 
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Elwood said:
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They wrote the law so vaguely nobody knows what’s legal and what’s not. The NYSP don’t even know, and neither are they lawyers. Call them on 3 separate occasions and you’ll get 3 different answers.
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My opinion revolves around written laws,,,,,it doesnt revolve around what this manufacture said or this police department said.

Do I care what others do,,,hell no!!! Its not my money being wasted when a person doesnt know whats written in the law and has to spend shit loads of money trying to tell the courts that this manufacture said this police department said it was legal.

Thats like me telling you that murder is legal because my neighbor who is a cop said it was legal in this area.

No Thumb Holes is written in the law
 
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JamieZ said:
My opinion revolves around written laws,,,,,it doesnt revolve around what this manufacture said or this police department said.

Do I care what others do,,,hell no!!! Its not my money being wasted when a person doesnt know whats written in the law and has to spend shit loads of money trying to tell the courts that this manufacture said this police department said it was legal.

Thats like me telling you that murder is legal because my neighbor who is a cop said it was legal in this area.

No Thumb Holes is written in the law
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But it’s not a thumb hole, because the stock is not connected to the receiver extension tube. Your interpretation is just your opinion.
 
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JamieZ said:
My opinion revolves around written laws,,,,,it doesnt revolve around what this manufacture said or this police department said.

Do I care what others do,,,hell no!!! Its not my money being wasted when a person doesnt know whats written in the law and has to spend shit loads of money trying to tell the courts that this manufacture said this police department said it was legal.

Thats like me telling you that murder is legal because my neighbor who is a cop said it was legal in this area.

No Thumb Holes is written in the law
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Ok, so give me the definition of a Thumb hole stock? It’s not like I read the NY Penal Law for a living and arrest people based off of it. The NY PL doesn’t have a definition of “Thumbhole Stock”. in PL 265.00 in the definitions sections. It’s only mentioned as a reference that you can’t have it in sub section (a) for a semiauto rifle, (b) for a semiauto shotgun, and (c) for a semiauto pistol. But what I can say is that a “hole” is a hollow place in a solid body. The Thordsen stock system is not a solid body since the bottom section does not connect with the plastic sheath that goes around the buffer tube. It’s two separate sections...which does not create a hole. Also, show me Case Law that references anyone being charged with an illegal “Assault Rifle” when it’s in the Thordsen configuration? Or how Thordsen themselves have legally been allowed to sell them to people of the public that are non Law Enforcement for years without it being an issue? You can have your non-Thordsen configuration rifle if that’s what you want...go for it. But until NY specifically makes the Thordsen stock or its features illegal, I’m sure the people with them or who will have them in the future will enjoy them.
 
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I had a Gen II Thordsen before, which I changed out after designing my own stock (I since moved on from that, since I felt even more confident in the SCR's legality ... though, both were, in my mind, legal ... I was worried about somebody else's interpretation.) To me, one could make a technical argument that the two parts do not connect, so they do not form a thumb hole stock, which might work. However, from Gen II to Gen III, I felt they pushed a little too far for my comfort. It looks like a thumbhole stock that you sawed in a straight line from the back to the hole. Would that be legal? Is the Gen III legal? Not something that I'm interested in testing. If I were to go back to a Thordsen, it would be a Gen II.
 
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Briwesk85 said:
Hi all

any good threads or YouTube videos for what’s needed for an AR15 build from scratch?

just recently got a PSA stripped lower, and want to start a build. Since I have a full feature AR with mag lock, I think this one will be a featureless.
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Too much for me . also i dont know how to do it i have no tolls .
I think I'm going to buy AR15 with all the toys
ping the magazine, I'm half an hour from Pennsylvania, I get the ping and when I return I place it before entering New York and that's it.
call state tropper, they don't know what is legal or illegal, they say the judge is the one who evaluates the law. because there is nothing clear
 
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