What scope for a .22

[meketrefe]

you are not alone. A lot of people think the 22LR is some sort of toy round, but it is not.
I think if you hit some rib or small bone might actually help with letality since the impact in something hard
might make the bullet flatten and create a wider channel and if not the bullet the bone fragments themselves.
But it doesn't have to be a heart shot, the spine, any large vein or an artery and whether it is faster or not, the wound is
pretty lethal. It seems little energy but with that much grain and sectional density is a pretty serious thing and
nobody wants to be hit by it.
I think that is why the 22LR is such a great survival and all around caliber... cheap, small, plentiful, versatile, etc...
I can hit a pack of cigarrets pretty consistently from 175 to 220 rounds but beyond that
point the trajectory is quite erratic. It is like shooting long range with a 308 but worse because you do not have the ammo consistency nor the bullet is really design for that...
But doing up to 200 or even 300 yards with the 22LR and studying the wind and trajectories and making corrections like if it was a larger caliber is an easy and inexpensive way to learn and get better marksmanship skills, that is for sure.
At the end of the day the more you shoot and the more your go back and review trajectories and adjustments the more your learn and this is a cheap way to do it .

 

[Snappo]

you are not alone. A lot of people think the 22LR is some sort of toy round, but it is not.
I think if you hit some rib or small bone might actually help with letality since the impact in something hard
might make the bullet flatten and create a wider channel and if not the bullet the bone fragments themselves.
But it doesn't have to be a heart shot, the spine, any large vein or an artery and whether it is faster or not, the wound is
pretty lethal. It seems little energy but with that much grain and sectional density is a pretty serious thing and
nobody wants to be hit by it.
I think that is why the 22LR is such a great survival and all around caliber... cheap, small, plentiful, versatile, etc...
I can hit a pack of cigarrets pretty consistently from 175 to 220 rounds but beyond that
point the trajectory is quite erratic. It is like shooting long range with a 308 but worse because you do not have the ammo consistency nor the bullet is really design for that...
But doing up to 200 or even 300 yards with the 22LR and studying the wind and trajectories and making corrections like if it was a larger caliber is an easy and inexpensive way to learn and get better marksmanship skills, that is for sure.
At the end of the day the more you shoot and the more your go back and review trajectories and adjustments the more your learn and this is a cheap way to do it .

Now I am thinking I should shoot my Marlin 22LR more (just a cheap 980V with a Leupold Rifleman on it). It's more or less a safe queen because I figured it's only for 100 and I prefer to go out to 500 and 600 most days. But the ammo you linked in the video - I have like 50 of those boxes of the same ammo from Gander Mountain.

 

[meketrefe]

Now I am thinking I should shoot my Marlin 22LR more (just a cheap 980V with a Leupold Rifleman on it). It's more or less a safe queen because I figured it's only for 100 and I prefer to go out to 500 and 600 most days. But the ammo you linked in the video - I have like 50 of those boxes of the same ammo from Gander Mountain.

That is like the savage MKII if I am not mistaken right?
Those are actually amazingly accurate for the money but the issue is the stocks suck so they need to be upgraded
in order to be more accurate and also to get the feel for the rifle more in line with a larger one.
Some people might be ok with a larger scope that matches the design and features of a larger caliber. For example I like the mil-mil formula (It means mil in the turrets and mil in the stadia) in as many scopes I have because I hate to be jumping designs and not knowing how to make meaningful corrections. I think moa-moa is ok too. But BDC or mixed moa turerts with mil is not so good because then you have to complicate calculations that otherwise should be simple. So better stay consistent in an easy to use Unit of measure.

Also some might want to be able to see the impacts and avoid a secondary optic for that.
W/o going huge with very large target scopes there are some options that might allow you to do this.


This brings us back to the scope subject. I think a light and good scope is desired for most uses but what about something
that is not too heavy that is also good for target and meaningful way of adjustment?
At 200 one is going to have 6.5 mils/23moa give and take and the win one can estimate within the 1 mil so I think a
mil stadia could be very helpful to hold over w/o touching turrets.

At this distance is like shooting a 308 at 700 yards or more depending on the loads.

You could go down to 250 but this caliber can get erratic and a tad frustrating for some... for me the more challenge the
more I like it. Specially because in the back of the property I might have to dispatch a large bird or a fox that far that are
screwing with the fruit trees or something and I hate missing .. so I keep the 22 dialed the best I can.

 

[Snappo]

That is like the savage MKII if I am not mistaken right?
Those are actually amazingly accurate for the money but the issue is the stocks suck so they need to be upgraded
in order to be more accurate and also to get the feel for the rifle more in line with a larger one.
Some people might be ok with a larger scope that matches the design and features of a larger caliber. For example I like the mil-mil formula (It means mil in the turrets and mil in the stadia) in as many scopes I have because I hate to be jumping designs and not knowing how to make meaningful corrections. I think moa-moa is ok too. But BDC or mixed moa turerts with mil is not so good because then you have to complicate calculations that otherwise should be simple. So better stay consistent in an easy to use Unit of measure.

Also some might want to be able to see the impacts and avoid a secondary optic for that.
W/o going huge with very large target scopes there are some options that might allow you to do this.


This brings us back to the scope subject. I think a light and good scope is desired for most uses but what about something
that is not too heavy that is also good for target and meaningful way of adjustment?
At 200 one is going to have 6.5 mils/23moa give and take and the win one can estimate within the 1 mil so I think a
mil stadia could be very helpful to hold over w/o touching turrets.

At this distance is like shooting a 308 at 700 yards or more depending on the loads.

You could go down to 250 but this caliber can get erratic and a tad frustrating for some... for me the more challenge the
more I like it. Specially because in the back of the property I might have to dispatch a large bird or a fox that far that are
screwing with the fruit trees or something and I hate missing .. so I keep the 22 dialed the best I can.

My wife won't let me shoot at the birds; even when they fuck with the fruit trees. Her thinking is she is an animal lover and we have over 100 apple trees; so why not let them have as much as they want. In a way, she's right. If I put a person in my bucket (usually my daughter) and move the bucket into the middle of the apple tree; within 15 minutes she has filled two of those huge horse barrels that have the rope handles. Full they weigh like 75 lbs. So 150 lbs of apples in 15 minutes. And when you back up with the tractor, it doesn't even look like you picked any apples - the tree is still full. If I hit 4 trees a year, I can make 100 quart jars of apple sauce, 50 jars of apple salsa and apple chutney, and enough pectin to do like 100 jars of grape jelly. I already have a 50 year supply of apple and grape foods. It's like the zombie apocalypse of fruit around here. The foxes she lets me kill; only because they ate a few of our chickens so now the war is on. But the foxes around here are too smart for the fox traps, and even when you see one and go grab the AK47 and a dozen magazines; they are already so deep into the uncut fields that you can't find them. Fucking foxes.

I'm slowly swapping out all of my glass. All my Pentax is gone now. I am up to almost a dozen Nikon Prostaff and Monarch scopes. All using the same Nikon software. I kept three scopes I cannot force myself to part with. A Leupold LR/T and MR/T; and a Springfield Armory Government. The Leupolds and the SA sit on a pair of 700 Police and a 700 eXtreme Tactical Rifle (XTR/XHR). The rest of the collection - total Nikon now.

 

[meketrefe]

It seems you could start an apple products company. lol
Nikon monarch have nice jap glass and now they come in a finne mil dot and with nice turrets too.

 

[FLA45fan]

Snappo, which Springfield Armory Gov't model? I've got a 10x model. Have you heard anything about it?
I also have a Savage Mk II in a Mako Edition that I will be scoping soon, it's been in the back of my safe for a few years . . .

 

[meketrefe]

A very well made scope for this money. These used to be Midway exclusive and went for $399 at some point.

These are made in Japan with japanese tube and glass like the larger FFP tactical. This works like a straight
army dot x9 but with the advantage of the 3-10 magnification range that makes it super versatile.

Weaver Tactical Grand Slam Rifle Scope 3-10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot R

 

[meketrefe]

..keep in mind because these are 2nd focal plane the ranging only works in the highest magnification.
You might find the mid point and use 2 mils as one mil. It is a mil mil so it is in consistent units of measure.

 

[meketrefe]

Another simple 2nd focal plane for those who want to shoot targets and don't want
to look for a secondary optic. Also budget one but well made.

Weaver European Rifle Scope - 5-25x56mm Side Focus 30mm Illuminated Mil Dot | eBay

 

[Snappo]

Snappo, which Springfield Armory Gov't model? I've got a 10x model. Have you heard anything about it?
I also have a Savage Mk II in a Mako Edition that I will be scoping soon, it's been in the back of my safe for a few years . . .

Generation 3 in 4-14x56. They don't make them anymore, sadly. I bought a pair to go on my SA M1A's (National Match and Scout II). I ended up loving them so much I moved one over to my favorite 700 Police.

 

[Snappo]

Another simple 2nd focal plane for those who want to shoot targets and don't want
to look for a secondary optic. Also budget one but well made.

Weaver European Rifle Scope - 5-25x56mm Side Focus 30mm Illuminated Mil Dot | eBay

Honestly Weaver was better in McCloud and Gunsmoke than he was at making scopes.