When does everyone think Ammo will be back to acceptable levels

[spat]

I think we have at least another year of this sort of market, best case. backlog has to be filled first and from A business side, the manufacturers would be foolish to add additional capacity for a relatively short term crunch and it’s not like they can add a 4th shift.

To be fair, this is the 3rd massive year long shortage in a decade. Maybe they *should* add capacity. Seems like you could predict another one coming pretty easily.

Add some capacity, and build a warehouse. Spend a couple years filling the warehouse with the extra capacity then cash in when the next shortage hits.

 

[spat]

So it’s not better in Texas huh?

More and larger gun stores, so even the shortage is bigger in Texas.

 

[wizrd]

A month go, a good friend at a 'big box' sporting goods store told me corporate told them not to expect 'normal' until late next summer.

 

[Phazer]

Let's just think about the fact that Vista Outdoors is reporting $1billion in ammunituon BACKLOG

At $0.25/round (pre-crisis pricing), that's at least 4 BILLION ROUNDS! Holy crap!

 

[Edwardteach72]

At $0.25/round (pre-crisis pricing), that's at least 4 BILLION ROUNDS! Holy crap!

And that is only from Vista Outdoors
Their ammo brands are:

Federal
CCi
Speer
Blazer
American Eagle
Remington (well was)


So factor in all the other ammo making companies

 

[tapper3]

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I don't know what is scarier........... all this talk of ammo availability never becoming normal again or the fact that the hand holding this candle looks kinda masculine to me but has black nail polish.

 

[GOPerfect]

I wonder though, whenever this ammo thing comes to an end, how many will still do nothing about it?

How many will wait until it happens again?

 

[Phazer]

I wonder though, whenever this ammo thing comes to an end, how many will still do nothing about it?

How many will wait until it happens again?

When this ends, and prices are reasonable....NYGF AMMO PALLET BULK PURCHASE! 100K rounds. Who's in?

 

[tirwin1]

At $0.25/round (pre-crisis pricing), that's at least 4 BILLION ROUNDS! Holy crap!

Half of that is mine.

 

[Saltwater60]

When this ends, and prices are reasonable....NYGF AMMO PALLET BULK PURCHASE! 100K rounds. Who's in?

Sure I’m in. I’ll drop a thousand on ammo when this is all done.

 

[FRB]

Sure I’m in. I’ll drop a thousand on ammo when this is all done.

Agree, me too! I do 2.5 grand on Fireworks a year... will have to shift that around.

 

[Justincase]

18 minutes.

That's how long it took for the Speer 9mm to get all bought up from Targetsports. I wasn't going to buy any, but just wanted to see how long it would take.

 

[Robin]

I wonder though, whenever this ammo thing comes to an end, how many will still do nothing about it?

How many will wait until it happens again?

Probably not the ones that bought it all up this time.
Robin

 

[Robin]

I'm good, and don't shoot nearly as much in the winter, When I get down to what I call my 'strategic reserve', which is readily available and not including reloading capabilities, I'll be concerned.
Are the gun 'journalists' like the mainstream, how come one two or three of them hasn't done some investigative work and ferreted out just what the hell is going on.
Robin

 

[Justincase]

I'm good, and don't shoot nearly as much in the winter, When I get down to what I call my 'strategic reserve', which is readily available and not including reloading capabilities, I'll be concerned.
Are the gun 'journalists' like the mainstream, how come one two or three of them hasn't done some investigative work and ferreted out just what the hell is going on.
Robin

They know what's going on. 8 million new gun owners+panic buying+riots+new anti gun president+hoarding+gun manufacturing at full capacity requires lots of ammo for function testing

 

[Saltwater60]

18 minutes.

That's how long it took for the Speer 9mm to get all bought up from Targetsports. I wasn't going to buy any, but just wanted to see how long it would take.

Are you a member of their club? Just curious how you knew it was in stock. Scroll through the calibers list and it will say in stock in what’s available and it’s a joke what is in stock on their site.

 

[Justincase]

Are you a member of their club? Just curious how you knew it was in stock. Scroll through the calibers list and it will say in stock in what’s available and it’s a joke what is in stock on their site.

No I'm not. I set up notifications for certain calibers so I'm notified when they come in stock. It's typically 22lr for 12 cents a round type stuff. Every now and then it's 9mm, but more than I'm willing to pay

 

[Saltwater60]

No I'm not. I set up notifications for certain calibers so I'm notified when they come in stock. It's typically 22lr for 12 cents a round type stuff. Every now and then it's 9mm, but more than I'm willing to pay

Well that’s a positive sign then because everyone in their club passed on it before it’s offered to us regular losers that refused to pay $100/year to get an email and free shipping on bulk ammo that’s always free shipping. I know you get a discount to but I buy from a lot of places and I’m not up for their games.

 

[Justincase]

There's Blazer 147 grain available right now. 93 of them at 1:30 PM

Edit to mention that these are the 1000rd packs. Down to 79 in 2 minutes

 

[Saltwater60]

There's Blazer 147 grain available right now. 93 of them at 1:30 PM

Edit to mention that these are the 1000rd packs. Down to 79 in 2 minutes

Gone at this time. Probably more than I would have paid anyway.

 

[GOPerfect]

This has occurred in the past and it will happen again. Ammo will come back to the stores. Ammo prices will drop. The vast majority of people will not learn from this.

The vast majority will NOT stock up when all of this ends and ammo goes back to normal.

 

[Celt]

I just got a text alert from Target Sports USA about the 9mm I was waiting to get back in stock. They are now looking to get $0.60 a round which is highway robbery. Looks like I'll make do with what I've got for the time being. I look forward to the day at its back under $0.20 per round.

 

[Justincase]

This has occurred in the past and it will happen again. Ammo will come back to the stores. Ammo prices will drop. The vast majority of people will not learn from this.

The vast majority will NOT stock up when all of this ends and ammo goes back to normal.

I will. I told my wife that ammo is 3 times the cost it has been in the past. She'd always piss and moan about me buying ammo every chance I got. I told her I'm still going to have to eventually buy it no matter the cost. She actually told me to buy as much as I want then when it comes back down. She doesn't know that I bought thousands and thousands of rounds without her knowing. Now she's sanctioned the buying. It's on! Lol

 

[Celt]

To be fair, this is the 3rd massive year long shortage in a decade. Maybe they *should* add capacity. Seems like you could predict another one coming pretty easily.

Add some capacity, and build a warehouse. Spend a couple years filling the warehouse with the extra capacity then cash in when the next shortage hits.

Exactly, not to mention all the new gun owners. And in our current political climate where we are so polarized i cant see things slowing down until after something big happens like a physical civil war.

 

[GOPerfect]

This to me is a good time to bring up...

What is a good amount of ammo to have?

There are many of us that have "too" much ammo. I know, that is a weird way of putting it.

I have these talks at work with coworkers. Many think having 300-500 per caliber is enough.

I am out there a bit on what I think and what I prep; I know this. Many gun owners are not shooters, they do not shoot as often as we do here.

Those that see the demise of society tend to have more ammo.

How much is enough?

 

[fnfalguy]

@GOPerfect Serious question back. Enough for what?

when I was regularly shooting in IDPA, 3 gun competitions and taking several Training classes a year, it was close to 2k a month of pistol, 500 rds of rifle and similar amount of shotgun Ammo a month being used. At that rate, to have a 2 year supply to weather out market instability, you need also 50k of pistol, and then 12k of shotgun and rifle.

am I worried about zombie? A lot less. A whole lot less. interestingly, it’s not just the zombies who would be visiting to check out the noise of a mag dump.

Personally, i evaluate based on having enough to deal with market fluctuations and not feel the pain of them. So it’s going to greatly vary per gun and how much they get shot in a year. Im pretty sure I have more .223 on hand than 45-70.

 

[GOPerfect]

@GOPerfect Serious question back. Enough for what?

when I was regularly shooting in IDPA, 3 gun competitions and taking several Training classes a year, it was close to 2k a month of pistol, 500 rds of rifle and similar amount of shotgun Ammo a month being used. At that rate, to have a 2 year supply to weather out market instability, you need also 50k of pistol, and then 12k of shotgun and rifle.

am I worried about zombie? A lot less. A whole lot less. interestingly, it’s not just the zombies who would be visiting to check out the noise of a mag dump.

Personally, i evaluate based on having enough to deal with market fluctuations and not feel the pain of them. So it’s going to greatly vary per gun and how much they get shot in a year. Im pretty sure I have more .223 on hand than 45-70.

No, this is a great answer. Enough for what? That was the reason for the question. I plug a few hundred rounds per month on average. Some months are more than others. Am I worried about the Z's? No, not worried, I have plenty of ammo to take care of them.

As for your formula, I should be good for about seven years....

 

[Saltwater60]

I just got a text alert from Target Sports USA about the 9mm I was waiting to get back in stock. They are now looking to get $0.60 a round which is highway robbery. Looks like I'll make do with what I've got for the time being. I look forward to the day at its back under $0.20 per round.

Unfortunately that’s the going rate on the cheaper side of things sadly.

 

[Celt]

This to me is a good time to bring up...

What is a good amount of ammo to have?

There are many of us that have "too" much ammo. I know, that is a weird way of putting it.

I have these talks at work with coworkers. Many think having 300-500 per caliber is enough.

I am out there a bit on what I think and what I prep; I know this. Many gun owners are not shooters, they do not shoot as often as we do here.

Those that see the demise of society tend to have more ammo.

How much is enough?

Tough to say. For me, if i only wanted enough for a shtf scenario and i wasnt planning on wasting any id say at least 2500 per primary caliber, although id feel better with 5k each. Even though if I ever had to bug out on foot i couldnt carry it all.

If it wasnt shtf, and it was just times like this where ammo is unseasonably priced, but i still wanted to train id say anywhere from 5k -7500k. If i could affoid it id like to have no less than 10k of each primary caliber, and id still buy more if it were on sale.

I suppose if i had 20k of 9mm and 556 each i wouldnt feel the need to spend more on ammo.

Im not dry, and i can afford to train with live ammo to some extent, but Id feel alot better with more before i did too much live fire training.

 

[Vapor]

I just got buckshot this week at Wal mart for less than $0.75/round. It was Federal too.

Check stores every time you enter them.