Why does no one actually read the Second Amendment ?

[RedBreast21]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ok.

So can we report even ONE "well regulated Militia" in this Country ?

Historically, did we ever have one ?

Does the reasoning that "Militia" = "Army" hold water ?

Personally, I am thinking the National Guard was originally created to be controlled by each State Governor, and was to be largrely independent of the Federal Goverment.

But the 2A is so unclear.

What do you think it means ?

Are you for real? lol Nothing unclear at all. What is clear, is that many people don't take the time to research any of the same questions you have. The National Guard came many years later.

All of your answers can be found in the written word of the founders. There are some great books out there containing many of the letters from congress members entered into record. Not just the well known names but those not so well known.

There is a great video
Well worth the time.

Many forget that the founders wrote the constitution and the amendments for those at an 8th grade reading level. Now, imagine how far our educational system has fallen.

How scary is that. LOL

 

[nortatoga]

Are you for real? lol Nothing unclear at all. What is clear, is that many people don't take the time to research any of the same questions you have. The National Guard came many years later.

All of your answers can be found in the written word of the founders. There are some great books out there containing many of the letter from congress members entered into record. Not just the well known names but those not so well known.

There is a great video
Well worth the time.

Many forget that the founders wrote the constitution and the amendments for those at an 8th grade reading level. Now, imagine how far our educational system has fallen.

How scary is that. LOL

Great video I must have started to watch it at one time as it started about 20 min. in to it. Everyone here should watch it. @HEX this would make a good pinned video for member to reference.

 

[CaseHardened]

As far as I can see, any Militia is Constitutional, as long as it has Management (well regulated).

If it actually breaks laws, it would be subject to prosecution, of course.

But in these times, even a simple Neighborhood Watch (George Zimmerman) is too much for the Deep State to allow.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

The 2nd Amendment is great and all, but the wording of it gives the enemy some fuel to sit there and use the words "militia" and "well regulated" against its true meaning.

It is best to consult the writings of James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Washington, and oher founding fathers as a reference manual for what the 2nd Amendment means. They were very clear on the purpose of posessing arms. The progressive liberals refuse to cite their ideas because they know the reason for the existence of the 2nd Amendment.

It is too bad that the words of the founding fathers could not be used as legal precedent. I mean hell Madison wrote most of the Consitution, it is only right to cite all his work!

 

[nortatoga]

The 2nd Amendment is great and all, but the wording of it gives the enemy some fuel to sit there and use the words "militia" and "well regulated" against its true meaning.

It is best to consult the writings of James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Washington, and oher founding fathers as a reference manual for what the 2nd Amendment means. They were very clear on the purpose of posessing arms. The progressive liberals refuse to cite their ideas because they know the reason for the existence of the 2nd Amendment.

It is too bad that the words of the founding fathers could not be used as legal precedent. I mean hell Madison wrote most of the Consitution, it is only right to cite all his work!

Did you watch the video above (post #32)?

 

[OwnTheRide]

What do you think it means ?

What we think doesn't matter. It's what SCOTUS thinks that matters. In the Heller decision, they stated that "the militia" is "the people." I'm summarizing here, of course, but that's what it legally means today.

 

[libertysnake]

What I would give for a time machine to go back and tell those guys to drop the whole militia part.

 

[rockremoval]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ok.

So can we report even ONE "well regulated Militia" in this Country ?

Historically, did we ever have one ?

Does the reasoning that "Militia" = "Army" hold water ?

Personally, I am thinking the National Guard was originally created to be controlled by each State Governor, and was to be largrely independent of the Federal Goverment.

But the 2A is so unclear.

What do you think it means ?

The well regulated part meant at the time well supplied not regulated the way you mean. Language was different.

 

[dsdmmat]

As far as I can see, any Militia is Constitutional, as long as it has Management (well regulated).

If it actually breaks laws, it would be subject to prosecution, of course.

But in these times, even a simple Neighborhood Watch (George Zimmerman) is too much for the Deep State to allow.

Well regulated = well trained.

 

[diggs223]

Well regulated = well trained.

And well equipped

 

[8w7]

There are some incorrect responses here.

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

www.constitution.org

 

[Acer-m14]

the people are the militia and "well-regulated" is they had a riffle / canon , ammo, powder and it all was in working order and ready to fire ..

 

[Phazer]

The well regulated part meant at the time well supplied not regulated the way you mean. Language was different.

Correct.

"Well regulated" meant "to be made regular." As in, as well supplied as the standing military of the time.

 

[Vapor]

All anyone has to do is look at the primary sources from the time. The federalist papers, personal writings, etc.


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)


I think it's pretty fucking clear for anyone with an IQ as high as a moderately warm summer day.

 

[RedBreast21]

As far as I can see, any Militia is Constitutional, as long as it has Management (well regulated).

If it actually breaks laws, it would be subject to prosecution, of course.

But in these times, even a simple Neighborhood Watch (George Zimmerman) is too much for the Deep State to allow.

Ah yes regulated. What was a common definition of "regulated" in the 18th century? Farm animals for sale were listed as "well regulated" did that mean governed, ruled by law? No. It meant well taken care of ie: fed and cared for. A well regulated militia is one that trains and well maintained by the citizens not any governing body.