Woman raped on train

[Doc8404]

How the fk does this happen?

really!!!

Woman raped on train as bystanders did nothing, police say

A woman was raped by a stranger on a commuter train in suburban Philadelphia in the presence of other riders who a police official said “should have done something.”

www.foxnews.com

 

[Dr. Evil]

WTF is wrong with people watching and doing nothing? Too bad I wasn't there. Let's just say Mr. Ngoy wouldn't have the ability to get aroused for a long time.

 

[PutnamCharlie]

It's Philly. They probably had theirs phones to out making a tic toc video out of it.

 

[Celt]

Its freaking pathetic, that animal would have been hamburger had i been there.

 

[SomeSoldier]

 

[kev74]

Fucking savages.

This was a perfect storm of animals who weren't raised to know the rules of civilized society combined with the brainwashing over the last 30+ years of 'don't get involved - let the police handle it'.

 

[spat]

A lot of people who have been trained that if they get involved, they will be going to jail, and probably will stay longer than the criminals.


This starts with elementary school, where the bully and the kid defending himself are both punished, because the fight is embarrassing to the administration, but the bullying is invisible to them.

 

[Depick]

How could you see that and do nothing? I’d accept whatever consequences came my way but I would stop that animal. My disdain for people grows daily.

 

[libertysnake]

Fucking savages.

This was a perfect storm of animals who weren't raised to know the rules of civilized society combined with the brainwashing over the last 30+ years of 'don't get involved - let the police handle it'.

The police are a mop-up force. They are also interested in policing, not necessarily your rights. They're not horrible people, but they're not without agenda and often there too late to help.

We shouldn't be treating problems like more policing will solve it.

 

[MothMan]

Murder of Kitty Genovese - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Catskillkid]

A lot of people who have been trained that if they get involved, they will be going to jail, and probably will stay longer than the criminals.


This starts with elementary school, where the bully and the kid defending himself are both punished, because the fight is embarrassing to the administration, but the bullying is invisible to them.

There's nothing that says you can't be charged with assault (or more) if you intervene in a situation like this. Sure you may have prevented a rape but you may be brought up on criminal charges yourself (depends on the cops and the DA). That's one reason why I could see why folks would not want to intervene. Having said that I probably would've taken that risk myself to try and help someone who was being violated like that.

And for those how say you're covered under a "Good Samaritan" law think again. Most of those laws are for administering medical aid, not for intervening to stop a crime.

 

[masterswimmer]

The bystanders make me just as sick as the rapist.

 

[masterswimmer]

There's nothing that says you can't be charged with assault (or more) if you intervene in a situation like this. Sure you may have prevented a rape but you may be brought up on criminal charges yourself (depends on the cops and the DA). That's one reason why I could see why folks would not want to intervene. Having said that I probably would've taken that risk myself to try and help someone who was being violated like that.

And for those how say you're covered under a "Good Samaritan" law think again. Most of those laws are for administering with medical aid, not for intervening to stop a crime.

I know this was in PA, but in NY penal law section 35.15 states:

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless::

(b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing
or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal
sexual act or robbery; or

I'd have intervened.

 

[tirwin1]

Reminds me of the time a female employee was raped in downtown Detroit in the city hall building years ago. The decline of civilization is not fun. I don't understand why anyone lives in a city.

 

[libertysnake]

I know this was in PA, but in NY penal law section 35.15 states:

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless::

(b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing
or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal
sexual act or robbery; or

I'd have intervened.

 

[libertysnake]

Reminds me of the time a female employee was raped in downtown Detroit in the city hall building years ago. The decline of civilization is not fun. I don't understand why anyone lives in a city.

It's because people cannot separate what is ethical from what is legally sanctioned policy.

The law can penalize you, but it cannot change a right action into a wrong one.

 

[spat]

I know this was in PA, but in NY penal law section 35.15 states:

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless::

(b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing
or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal
sexual act or robbery; or

I'd have intervened.

You would not be ultimately convicted. But neither will Kyle Rittenhouse.

What would your life look like after such an acquittal.


I am not saying don't get involved. I am saying that doing so can be very costly, and I can understand why some people might not want to go that far out on a limb for a stranger.

 

[masterswimmer]

You would not be ultimately convicted. But neither will Kyle Rittenhouse.

What would your life look like after such an acquittal.


I am not saying don't get involved. I am saying that doing so can be very costly, and I can understand why some people might not want to go that far out on a limb for a stranger.

First off, I said I'd intervene.
Second, I never said use deadly force. If the use of DPF with a handgun is justifiable, why would less than DPF be met with any legal recourse?

Sorry, I could not sit idly by and watch that heinous crime being committed.

 

[SomeSoldier]

You would not be ultimately convicted. But neither will Kyle Rittenhouse.

What would your life look like after such an acquittal.


I am not saying don't get involved. I am saying that doing so can be very costly, and I can understand why some people might not want to go that far out on a limb for a stranger.

Its not just about what would happen to me but could I live with myself if I did nothing.

 

[That_FNG]

Because human nature is to freeze and wait for someone in charge to handle it. 99 percent of people do not have a “seize control of the situation and take charge” gene. Most people when they see something wrong stop and go “the police should handle that” or “the boss should handle that”. That’s why if you are experiencing some sort of emergency and there is a crowd of people they tell you not to yell “someone call 911” but instead pick out someone in the crowd and instead say something like “you in the red shirt call 911”. By doing that you have a greater chance of success.

about a year ago at work we had something of an emergency happen. An elderly customer was walking with a salesman and slipped and fell on ice and hit his head. They brought him back inside and everybody was panicking and yet doing nothing. I seized control of the situation and started issuing command in a loud firm voice. “You in the blue shirt have the guy lay flat on the ground and elevate his feet”, “you in the yellow shirt go and move the accord and civic that is parked in front of the door so to have room for the ambulance to be able to park next to the showroom”, “you in the dress move the tables and chairs so the paramedics have room to work when they arrive”, “you in the jacket stand by the road and guide the paramedics where to go when they arrive” etc. I did this while conveying concise information to the dispatcher on the phone “white male 65 years of age, fell on ice, possible head trauma and concusion, heartbeat etc. within seconds had everything done and ready for the EMT’s so when they arrived they could immediately do what they need to do without delay and thus save seconds. Good news is the guy lived and turned out ok beyond having to use a walker from now on. Not trying to brag in all this, but more as an example

 

[spat]

Because human nature is to freeze and wait for someone in charge to handle it. 99 percent of people do not have a “seize control of the situation and take charge” gene. Most people when they see something wrong stop and go “the police should handle that” or “the boss should handle that”. That’s why if you are experiencing some sort of emergency and there is a crowd of people they tell you not to yell “someone call 911” but instead pick out someone in the crowd and instead say something like “you in the red shirt call 911”. By doing that you have a greater chance of success.

about a year ago at work we had something of an emergency happen. An elderly customer was walking with a salesman and slipped and fell on ice and hit his head. They brought him back inside and everybody was panicking and yet doing nothing. I seized control of the situation and started issuing command in a loud firm voice. “You in the blue shirt have the guy lay flat on the ground and elevate his feet”, “you in the yellow shirt go and move the accord and civic that is parked in front of the door so to have room for the ambulance to be able to park next to the showroom”, “you in the dress move the tables and chairs so the paramedics have room to work when they arrive”, “you in the jacket stand by the road and guide the paramedics where to go when they arrive” etc. I did this while conveying concise information to the dispatcher on the phone “white male 65 years of age, fell on ice, possible head trauma and concusion, heartbeat etc. within seconds had everything done and ready for the EMT’s so when they arrived they could immediately do what they need to do without delay and thus save seconds. Good news is the guy lived and turned out ok beyond having to use a walker from now on. Not trying to brag in all this, but more as an example

Many people who would do something if they were alone or with just a couple friends would freeze if thew were in a crowd for that very reason.

Even though the risk is much higher alone.

 

[Xae289]

A lot of people who have been trained that if they get involved, they will be going to jail, and probably will stay longer than the criminals.


This starts with elementary school, where the bully and the kid defending himself are both punished, because the fight is embarrassing to the administration, but the bullying is invisible to them.

Bingo. When all of society is taught to sit down, shut up, and "let the authorities handle this", what other response would you expect from your average commuter?

It's a sad combination of people thinking "someone else will help" and "I might get in legal trouble myself if I intervene".

 

[Acer-m14]

Didn't philly want to ban guns beyond the States laws ..

 

[FrankenCub]

I find outright disturbing they could stand there and do nothing! I can let certain things slide to stay off radar, but not this.

When I was younger I worked over nights at the Hess in Whitney Point. One night this woman comes running in, pants at her knees, top torn off. Screaming incoherently needing help after jumping out of a moving car then went back out by the pumps. People getting gas ignored her and acted as she was drunk. I grabbed a coat to cover her and told the other guy working to call the Sheriff.
When I got close to her I could see she was beat, beat bad. Could barely make out she was telling me she was raped, she was so hysterical. When I tried to cover her she latched onto me and just collapsed to the ground.
I ended up sitting there holding her till the Sheriff and ambulance showed up. She barely cooperated with anyone unless I was standing right by her, wouldn't even get on the stretcher for the ambulance ride until the Sheriff promised her I'd go to the hospital with her. I guess she felt safe because I covered her and talked to her?
Her fear, pain, and bloodied body is seared into my brain. That had an effect on me that I'll never outlive.

If I seen that happen to someone now I would kill the piece of shit! I don't think it would be a conscious decision.
I'm pretty emotionally numb and generally don't give two shits what happens to people. AFAIC rape is the most vile crime, worse than murder.

 

[masterswimmer]

I find outright disturbing they could stand there and do nothing! I can let certain things slide to stay off radar, but not this.

When I was younger I worked over nights at the Hess in Whitney Point. One night this woman comes running in, pants at her knees, top torn off. Screaming incoherently needing help after jumping out of a moving car then went back out by the pumps. People getting gas ignored her and acted as she was drunk. I grabbed a coat to cover her and told the other guy working to call the Sheriff.
When I got close to her I could see she was beat, beat bad. Could barely make out she was telling me she was raped, she was so hysterical. When I tried to cover her she latched onto me and just collapsed to the ground.
I ended up sitting there holding her till the Sheriff and ambulance showed up. She barely cooperated with anyone unless I was standing right by her, wouldn't even get on the stretcher for the ambulance ride until the Sheriff promised her I'd go to the hospital with her. I guess she felt safe because I covered her and talked to her?
Her fear, pain, and bloodied body is seared into my brain. That had an effect on me that I'll never outlive.

If I seen that happen to someone now I would kill the piece of shit! I don't think it would be a conscious decision.
I'm pretty emotionally numb and generally don't give two shits what happens to people. AFAIC rape is the most vile crime, worse than murder.

May you have peace on those restless nights my friend.

 

[FrankenCub]

May you have peace on those restless nights my friend.

Thank you. Nights are fine now but I think about that night a lot. I often wonder how she's doing, and I know the piece of shit went to prison. This happened when I was 19 I think, never experienced anything near like that so it left quite the impression.

 

[Grimscale]

how many people in here were also armchair quarterbacking the article about someone being killed when attempting to stop a robbery?

How many said "my gun is only to protect myself and my family"?

so even in our own "group" we have those who would have sat there and let her be raped because "I could get killed or arrested for helping".

People in Philly are basically brainwashed into "guns 'r bad, m'kay!" and "don't be heroes, let the police do their job".
hopefully these bystanders have horrible nightmares for the rest of their pitiful lives. Hopefully none of their families have to endure what this woman went through.

 

[Criticalt]

There's nothing that says you can't be charged with assault (or more) if you intervene in a situation like this. Sure you may have prevented a rape but you may be brought up on criminal charges yourself (depends on the cops and the DA). That's one reason why I could see why folks would not want to intervene. Having said that I probably would've taken that risk myself to try and help someone who was being violated like that.

And for those how say you're covered under a "Good Samaritan" law think again. Most of those laws are for administering medical aid, not for intervening to stop a crime.

But you are covered under justification laws....article 35.
Deadly physical force is justified when stopping a forcible rape.
The problem comes when you find out the people were in a relationship and were role playing.
But then you may be covered under the "reasonable belief" part of the law.

 

[Criticalt]

how many people in here were also armchair quarterbacking the article about someone being killed when attempting to stop a robbery?

How many said "my gun is only to protect myself and my family"?

so even in our own "group" we have those who would have sat there and let her be raped because "I could get killed or arrested for helping".

People in Philly are basically brainwashed into "guns 'r bad, m'kay!" and "don't be heroes, let the police do their job".
hopefully these bystanders have horrible nightmares for the rest of their pitiful lives. Hopefully none of their families have to endure what this woman went through.

Under most circumstances I would not use my gun in a situation like this.
The guy was obviously occupied....and I have a mean choke hold and I usually am wearing boots. There are a LOT of ways to "stop" someone without deadly force.
At most you would get an assault charge.....for choking a rapist.

 

[Grimscale]

Under most circumstances I would not use my gun in a situation like this.

I wasn't necessarily advocating for the use of a firearm to stop the guy, but rather just pointing out some hypocrisy seen here.

I always keep a knife on me, whether or not I have a gun. It wouldn't be that hard to come up behind an occupied assailant and quietly pith him. Or even sever the spinal cord high enough for paralysis but low enough not to kill.

Death should be a reward, not a punishment.