Woman raped on train

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Anything I can say has already been said in this thread.

Disgusting. Pathetic.

Societal degeneration and collapse is real.

The rapist shouldn't have walked off the train.

 

[spat]

I wasn't necessarily advocating for the use of a firearm to stop the guy, but rather just pointing out some hypocrisy seen here.

I always keep a knife on me, whether or not I have a gun. It wouldn't be that hard to come up behind an occupied assailant and quietly pith him. Or even sever the spinal cord high enough for paralysis but low enough not to kill.

Death should be a reward, not a punishment.

Could pistol whip him too.

Not sure if that would count as deadly force or not.

 

[Parzival]

If anyone watches Active Self Protection, you know third party encounters are some of the most dangerous situations to put yourself in. A lot could go wrong, he could have two friends close by.

That said, I don’t think I could live with myself if I didn’t help in a situation like that. Especially a situation involving a woman or the elderly.

Punching the dude in the head could be considered deadly force so... If I go, I’m going all in and one of us isn’t walking off that train.

 

[drowhawk]

If anyone watches Active Self Protection, you know third party encounters are some of the most dangerous situations to put yourself in. A lot could go wrong, he could have two friends close by.

That said, I don’t think I could live with myself if I didn’t help in a situation like that. Especially a situation involving a woman or the elderly.

Punching the dude in the head could be considered deadly force so... If I go, I’m going all in and one of us isn’t walking off that train.

That risk wouldn't even factor into my decision to intervene or not. Unfortunately for him I wouldn't be administering the jerk sauce first since I would gas the whole train. He's getting a square kick in the balls or the back of the head. Didn't sound like he was openly presenting a weapon either so these bystanders should be ashamed.

 

[SonOfSun]

A lot of people who have been trained that if they get involved, they will be going to jail, and probably will stay longer than the criminals.


This starts with elementary school, where the bully and the kid defending himself are both punished, because the fight is embarrassing to the administration, but the bullying is invisible to them.

Was just going to more or less say this. We have trained people that they get fucked by doing the right thing. Ex. An armed burglar breaks into your house and you shoot them, many times you're the one that's going to get charged and have lawsuits. The burglar and his family will sue you too. If you inject yourself into a third party altercation and injure the assailant, you and your family are going to be the ones that get screwed. I don't blame people for not getting involved, I blame the system that is an obstacle to good people getting involved.

Nice job America....

 

[Doc8404]

I wasn't necessarily advocating for the use of a firearm to stop the guy, but rather just pointing out some hypocrisy seen here.

I always keep a knife on me, whether or not I have a gun. It wouldn't be that hard to come up behind an occupied assailant and quietly pith him. Or even sever the spinal cord high enough for paralysis but low enough not to kill.

Death should be a reward, not a punishment.

that's the best way to lose everything in life.
paralyze someone.
killing them usually has less consequences.

 

[SonOfSun]

I know this was in PA, but in NY penal law section 35.15 states:

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless::

(b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing
or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal
sexual act or robbery; or

I'd have intervened.

Problem is that's penal law and not civil law. You likely wouldn't go to prison, but the "victim" (ie. The rapist) and their family will likely sue you. We all know how fair and inexpensive the civil court system is...

 

[Bigfoot]

In "2021" the media already has someone like me labeled as a white supremacist,
domestic terrorist, irredeemable deplorable.

And a DA in the City Philadelphia would probably judge me the same as the media. And treat me accordingly. And score some brownie points for himself in the mean time.
I'm a White, Trump supporting redneck. I would get burned myself in the end for doing a good deed.

City people fucking despise my kind anyway... It's their world and I stay out of it.

Only friends and family for me unless it's something heinous and in my neck of the woods.
I didn't get this far in life only to screw it up by doing something in a leftist city that I just know will burn me.

It's not being compassionate, I get that. But it is being smart. I can't let my emotions over rule my thought process. And in turn fuck everything up for the WIFE and I.

She comes first and foremost. That's what I would base my actions or lack of action on.
My responsibility and loyalty is ultimately to her. And me publicly getting bent over by a lefty DA wouldn't do my wife any good.

It is what it is that's the reality of it.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

"There will come a day when you are judged by your creator
for the things you did,
and the things you did NOT do.
And on that day,
no law or government will be considered."

RHLee.

 

[Jsmegs77]

Hurting the helpless in front of me is guaranteed to provoke a vicious response. Unfortunately I’d be the one going to jail in this particular case, since the rapist happened to be black, I’m not, and in all likelihood the Philly DA is either a Soros plant or a Democrat with career advancement on the mind.

 

[Celt]

There's nothing that says you can't be charged with assault (or more) if you intervene in a situation like this. Sure you may have prevented a rape but you may be brought up on criminal charges yourself (depends on the cops and the DA). That's one reason why I could see why folks would not want to intervene. Having said that I probably would've taken that risk myself to try and help someone who was being violated like that.

And for those how say you're covered under a "Good Samaritan" law think again. Most of those laws are for administering medical aid, not for intervening to stop a crime.

Iirc, you can use DPF if needed in order to stop a rape. Thats not to say you would need to, and if you did you better be able to prove that was the only way to stop it, but its an available tool on something so extreme.

But i do get how good people and self defense is not what it once was. The left has demonized defending yourself while enqbling the criminals.

 

[kev74]

There are ways to intervene without using lethal force.

Verbally distracting the shitbag, throwing crap at the shitbag, or even physically striking him - an easy target while he's distracted - all would have given the woman a chance to get away without shooting or stabbing anyone.

I've had 3 instances in the last 10 years (all in Walmart parking lots, go figure...) where I came upon men trying to beat the shit out of women, where the women were in a car and the guys were either beating on the car or throwing punches through a window. All 3 times I called the cops, and twice I was close enough to let the guy know I was calling while still keeping a car and distance between us. In the 2 where I was closes enough to intervene, the scumbag decided to leave rather than wait for the cops. I was able to interrupt the aggression while leaving lots of outs for myself.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

If anyone watches Active Self Protection, you know third party encounters are some of the most dangerous situations to put yourself in. A lot could go wrong, he could have two friends close by.

That said, I don’t think I could live with myself if I didn’t help in a situation like that. Especially a situation involving a woman or the elderly.

Punching the dude in the head could be considered deadly force so... If I go, I’m going all in and one of us isn’t walking off that train.

This.

I wouldn't be able to go home and look at my wife or daughters if I did nothing.

Wrong is wrong. Right is right. People need to stop caring and start following their moral compass. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Doc8404]

This.

I wouldn't be able to go home and look at my wife or daughters if I did nothing.

Wrong is wrong. Right is right. People need to stop caring and start following their moral compass. Let the chips fall where they may.

i think the issue is, many have a broken or non existent moral compass.

 

[libertysnake]

Civil court difficulties aside, I think this video hits the nail on the head about a lot more than even this topic, but also this topic.

History Shows: Most People Won't Fight Evil | PragerU

If you acknowledge evil, you have to fight it. That's why most people choose to deny it. It's more comfortable. Watch the full episode.

www.prageru.com

 

[GOPerfect]

I figured this story would be disgusting, I did not read the article. I only looked at the accused.

 

[spat]

This.

I wouldn't be able to go home and look at my wife or daughters if I did nothing.

Wrong is wrong. Right is right. People need to stop caring and start following their moral compass. Let the chips fall where they may.

The question is after the assailant is disposed of, do you call the cops to clean up the mess, or find someone with a backhoe.

We are getting to where that second option looks better in some jurisdictions...

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

The question is after the assailant is disposed of, do you call the cops to clean up the mess, or find someone with a backhoe.

We are getting to where that second option looks better in some jurisdictions...

Hog farm.

They can turn even the worst sub-creature into yummy, crispy, yummy bacon.

 

[Doc8404]

Hog farm.

They can turn even the worst sub-creature into yummy, crispy, yummy bacon.

I was just telling my son that. He didn’t believe me.

 

[Saltwater60]

Those that watched should be charged as well. They allowed it to happen and aided in it by not calling the police. Calling the police is the minimum standard here.
If I was on that train he’d have been given o e warning to stop and get down on the ground. If he failed to do so a .380 slug would be fished out of his head at the base of his skull.

 

[spat]

Hog farm.

They can turn even the worst sub-creature into yummy, crispy, yummy bacon.

It's a lot easier to keep a backhoe on standby than a herd of swine....


The backhoe doesn't have the superpower of turning garbage into bacon though....

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Those that watched should be charged as well. They allowed it to happen and aided in it by not calling the police. Calling the police is the minimum standard here.
If I was on that train he’d have been given o e warning to stop and get down on the ground. If he failed to do so a .380 slug would be fished out of his head at the base of his skull.

MSN

www.msn.com

On the record I wholly disagree with the bystanders being charged. Forget about the fact that it has been withheld that the actual people that are sworn to protect and serve have no duty to do so. This is a crazy slippery slope. Where does it end? If you see an armed robbery in progress should you be charged if you don't intervene but just record? Yes that is an extreme but that's the whole point of a slippery slope. It leads up to extremes with everything in between.

 

[livingston]

REVEALED: Man accused of raping woman on Philadelphia SEPTA train as passengers 'filmed it' is an illegal Congolese immigrant with sex abuse and drugs rap sheet who should have been deported in 2015​

• 
  
• Court records show that Ngoy had multiple arrests and two misdemeanor convictions, one for controlled substances and one for sexual abuse.
  
  He pleaded guilty to the sex charge in 2017 in Washington DC and was sentenced to 120 days in jail, and was then placed in immigration detention in January 2018.
  
  However, Ngoy was never deported, because an immigration judge granted him a 'withholding of removal' in March 2019, after an appeals board found that his sex crime was not a 'serious crime' that made him eligible for removal
• Rape suspect in Philadelphia train attack was present in US illegally

 

[Paxal]

How the fk does this happen?

really!!!

Woman raped on train as bystanders did nothing, police say

A woman was raped by a stranger on a commuter train in suburban Philadelphia in the presence of other riders who a police official said “should have done something.”

www.foxnews.com

I hate to say this, but given the deplorable condition of morality in the US today, maybe they found it “exciting” to watch.

 

[96coal449]

REVEALED: Man accused of raping woman on Philadelphia SEPTA train as passengers 'filmed it' is an illegal Congolese immigrant with sex abuse and drugs rap sheet who should have been deported in 2015​

• 
  
• Court records show that Ngoy had multiple arrests and two misdemeanor convictions, one for controlled substances and one for sexual abuse.
  
  He pleaded guilty to the sex charge in 2017 in Washington DC and was sentenced to 120 days in jail, and was then placed in immigration detention in January 2018.
  
  However, Ngoy was never deported, because an immigration judge granted him a 'withholding of removal' in March 2019, after an appeals board found that his sex crime was not a 'serious crime' that made him eligible for removal
• Rape suspect in Philadelphia train attack was present in US illegally

My shocked face

 

[livingston]

My shocked face

We never blame these liberal judges that enable these folks .. Should have been sent back but .. What is a little sex abuse among friends.. Think back to the Webster shooter... Pushed his grandmother down the stairs and beat her in the head with a hammer about 60 times... .. Who in their right mind would let the animal out .... But they do and he kills first responders .... Cuomo said his AR-15 was the problem

 

[livingston]

Judge Jeanine: We should all be speechless over this story​

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Those that watched should be charged as well. They allowed it to happen and aided in it by not calling the police. Calling the police is the minimum standard here.
If I was on that train he’d have been given o e warning to stop and get down on the ground. If he failed to do so a .380 slug would be fished out of his head at the base of his skull.

I'm thinking one approach might have been to blast him with a fire extinguisher (there should be one in the train car) to distract him from attacking her. And if he then turned his anger toward attacking me, then shoot his ass up.

 

[Vapor]

 

[Grimscale]

after an appeals board found that his sex crime was not a 'serious crime'

I'm sure to the victim, and their family, this WAS a serious crime.

But, just to be fair, let's do to the appeals board's family what this animal did to whomever. Then they can honestly tell if it was a "serious crime".


I can't believe the shit that is coming out of courts nowadays. Same as with politicians.

13 year old kid kills a 4 year old kid and they let him go. So if a 13 year old kills one of the board's kids when they are 4 that board member will still feel the same?
Disgusting