Biden to announce vaccine mandate for companies with more than 100 employees

[Robin]

Have we passed the tipping point of, can we set this ship right? I think there will always be a way to reclaim our republic.
Have we passed the tipping point of, can we right this ship peacefully?
Think I'll pass on that one.
Robin

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I agree. Get in your local Politicians face!

I called Schumer and Martucci's offices Friday. The lady at Martucci's office was a trip, and she ensured me the senator is "doing everything he can, but the legislature is not in session". Fuck Martucci too. The politicians aren't going to fix this. It is going to take our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

Liberty or Death

Go ahead and sign it.

 

[SonOfSun]

I called Schumer and Martucci's offices Friday. The lady at Martucci's office was a trip, and she ensured me the senator is "doing everything he can, but the legislature is not in session". Fuck Martucci too.

Oh, you called them. Why didn't I think of that? I guess we can expect changes any day now!

I'll let you in on a secret: They don't give a fuck. No politician does.

 

[Jsmegs77]

Sounds like piggybacking on the efforts of others. The medical equivalent of a welfare queen.

I’m completely in the dark as to what you mean by this. I’m expressing my amusement that the hospital local to me that fired all their unvaccinated staff has hundreds of people on their premises who are, you guessed it, unvaccinated. Patients, first responders, service workers, delivery people, the list goes on. But they fired their own employees… Cutting off your nose to spite your face, or something like it.

Do elaborate on your remark… or don’t if you prefer.

 

[SonOfSun]

I’m completely in the dark as to what you mean by this. I’m expressing my amusement that the hospital local to me that fired all their unvaccinated staff has hundreds of people on their premises who are, you guessed it, unvaccinated. Patients, first responders, service workers, delivery people, the list goes on. But they fired their own employees… Cutting off your nose to spite your face, or something like it.

Do elaborate on your remark… or don’t if you prefer.

Going places where pretty much everyone is vaccinated which provides protection from getting covid, when the person that goes there is unvaccinated. IE. reaping the rewards of other peoples efforts. A welfare queen economically mooches off of the rest of society's labor. In this case those that do as you described are reaping the benefits of the vaccine without putting in anything on their behalf. IE. A medical welfare queen.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Oh, you called them. Why didn't I think of that? I guess we can expect changes any day now!

I'll let you in on a secret: They don't give a fuck. No politician does.

Good god, man.

 

[Jsmegs77]

Going places where pretty much everyone is vaccinated which provides protection from getting covid, when the person that goes there is unvaccinated. IE. reaping the rewards of other peoples efforts. A welfare queen economically mooches off of the rest of society's labor. In this case those that do as you described are reaping the benefits of the vaccine without putting in anything on their behalf. IE. A medical welfare queen.

If you accept the validity of the deprecated COVID tests commonly in use, I’ve been exposed many, many times in the past year, in my line of work, and have absolutely nothing to show for it. I am not healthy because someone standing near me had a few injections. I am not protected from a minimally harmful flu-like disease, which is 99.5% survivable in my demographic, by other people choosing to inject themselves with insufficiently tested formulations of God only knows what. I am healthy because I earn a living in a physical job and invest in my personal health.

Your argument assumes the efficacy of an untested medication. I don’t. Time will tell who’s correct.

 

[Defilade]

Vaxxers are destroying their immunity. Don't know where he gets his info.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

So my buddy that has been suspended for 2 weeks now and works in the medical field told me today that where he works worked had a HUGE outbreak of covid. So... if all that's left behind is people that are 100% vaccinated what happened? Could it be that the vaccines do nothing at all? Or even worse they increase your chances of contracting? Hmmmm. Anyway I told him look at that, you not getting vaxxed worked out after all.

 

[spat]

Going places where pretty much everyone is vaccinated which provides protection from getting covid, when the person that goes there is unvaccinated. IE. reaping the rewards of other peoples efforts. A welfare queen economically mooches off of the rest of society's labor. In this case those that do as you described are reaping the benefits of the vaccine without putting in anything on their behalf. IE. A medical welfare queen.

That assumes the vaccine is all that effective.

I'm not sure there is much convincing evidence of that.

We've got most of the country vaxxed now, and just as many cases of covid as ever.

If you found out that people taking some brand of birth control were getting pregnant at the same rate as people doing nothing, would you trust that pill ?

What if you found out thousands of people were getting serious complications from it, up to and including death ?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Kansas Governor to Sign Bill That Makes Businesses Allow Broad Exemptions to COVID-19 Vaccine Requirements

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[SonOfSun]

That assumes the vaccine is all that effective.

Yes, I'm working with the vast amount of data that shows the vaccines to be effective.

I'm not sure there is much convincing evidence of that.

We've got most of the country vaxxed now, and just as many cases of covid as ever.

Yeah and it's unvaxed people driving the infections.... most is also an exaggeration, it's something along the lines of 55% vaxed, 45% unvaxed. Hard to call that most.

Incidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Emergency Department Visits ...

This report describes emergency department visits from COVID-19 ...

www.cdc.gov

Dated 4 days ago.

... Overall incidence was 30.1 per 1,000 unvaccinated persons and 8.7 per 1,000 vaccinated persons (IRR = 3.5). IRRs across most strata indicated that incidence was at least three times higher among unvaccinated than among vaccinated persons; IRRs were highest among unvaccinated multiple race persons (4.3), Black persons (4.2), Asian persons (4.1), and adolescents aged 12–17 years (8.9).....​

If you found out that people taking some brand of birth control were getting pregnant at the same rate as people doing nothing, would you trust that pill ?

No, but as above that's not the case. Vaxxed people are getting covid in meaningfully less numbers.

What if you found out thousands of people were getting serious complications from it, up to and including death ?

What do you consider serious complication? If it's a bit of a fever and an achy arm, not that concerned. On the death thing, I guess that comes down to your own perception of risk. Any thing in life carries risk, a tornado could drop down into the office of my home that I'm typing this from - doesn't mean I'm not going to use my office. The risk of dying from covid > dying from a covid vaccine, unless maybe you have an allergy to the vaccine or some other very rare abnormality. That's an outlier case though.

 

[spat]

Yes, I'm working with the vast amount of data that shows the vaccines to be effective.



Yeah and it's unvaxed people driving the infections.... most is also an exaggeration, it's something along the lines of 55% vaxed, 45% unvaxed. Hard to call that most.

Incidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Emergency Department Visits ...

This report describes emergency department visits from COVID-19 ...

www.cdc.gov

Dated 4 days ago.

... Overall incidence was 30.1 per 1,000 unvaccinated persons and 8.7 per 1,000 vaccinated persons (IRR = 3.5). IRRs across most strata indicated that incidence was at least three times higher among unvaccinated than among vaccinated persons; IRRs were highest among unvaccinated multiple race persons (4.3), Black persons (4.2), Asian persons (4.1), and adolescents aged 12–17 years (8.9).....​

No, but as above that's not the case. Vaxxed people are getting covid in meaningfully less numbers.




What do you consider serious complication? If it's a bit of a fever and an achy arm, not that concerned. On the death thing, I guess that comes down to your own perception of risk. Any thing in life carries risk, a tornado could drop down into the office of my home that I'm typing this from - doesn't mean I'm not going to use my office. The risk of dying from covid > dying from a covid vaccine, unless maybe you have an allergy to the vaccine or some other very rare abnormality. That's an outlier case though.

So, going with your data, unvaxed are 3 times more likely to get covid than vaxed.

By vaccine standards that's absolutely terrible.

Would you trust birth control that only reduced your chances by that paltry amount ?

And that assumes *that* data is accurate.

Vaxxed are tested at a much lower frequency than unvaxxed, and we *know* the testing has an astronomical false positive rate.

Has anyone controlled for that selection bias ?

Sure, the mild side effects you describe aren't a major concern. But, dropping dead from a heart attack, or developing myocarditis is.


Sorry, I am familiar with the pains of being an early adopter. It's fine for a new PC, but when it comes to experimental medical treatments I'd prefer to wait till they work out the bugs, or at least identify them all.

But if you want to beta test it, you're more than welcome. Just don't demand I do so as well.

 

[SonOfSun]

So, going with your data, unvaxed are 3 times more likely to get covid than vaxed.

By vaccine standards that's absolutely terrible.

Would you trust birth control that only reduced your chances by that paltry amount ?

And that assumes *that* data is accurate.

Vaxxed are tested at a much lower frequency than unvaxxed, and we *know* the testing has an astronomical false positive rate.

Has anyone controlled for that selection bias ?

Sure, the mild side effects you describe aren't a major concern. But, dropping dead from a heart attack, or developing myocarditis is.


Sorry, I am familiar with the pains of being an early adopter. It's fine for a new PC, but when it comes to experimental medical treatments I'd prefer to wait till they work out the bugs, or at least identify them all.

But if you want to beta test it, you're more than welcome. Just don't demand I do so as well.

Don't think I've ever said I've been in favor of forced vaccination. I'd encourage it based on the data. But like smoking... I'd suggest you don't do it for the negative health impacts, but ultimately that choice should be yours and wouldn't suggest outlawing it.

 

[Acer-m14]

but they passed laws on smoking and what u can smoke .. or vape .. Flavors bad ..

 

[SonOfSun]

but they passed laws on smoking and what u can smoke .. or vape .. Flavors bad ..

Doesn't have anything to do with my feelings on it though.

 

[spat]

Don't think I've ever said I've been in favor of forced vaccination. I'd encourage it based on the data. But like smoking... I'd suggest you don't do it for the negative health impacts, but ultimately that choice should be yours and wouldn't suggest outlawing it.

It really does come down to how much you trust the data.

It's obviously all very heavily politicized. It's entirely possible that in 3 or 4 years it will become clear that getting the vax was the right choice.

But I'm not convinced that it won't go the other way.

When the vax first came out I was in favor. I didn't want to go for the first batch out the door, but I probably would have gotten it by now if it wasn't for yhe strong arm coercive tactics being employed. That made me far less trusting of the data they are pushing.

 

[Defilade]

The vaccine efficacy is garbage as explained here..... Worthless garbage!

 

[Defilade]

And here...

 

[Defilade]

 

[Dr. Evil]

So, going with your data, unvaxed are 3 times more likely to get covid than vaxed.

By vaccine standards that's absolutely terrible.

Would you trust birth control that only reduced your chances by that paltry amount ?

And that assumes *that* data is accurate.

Vaxxed are tested at a much lower frequency than unvaxxed, and we *know* the testing has an astronomical false positive rate.

Has anyone controlled for that selection bias ?

Sure, the mild side effects you describe aren't a major concern. But, dropping dead from a heart attack, or developing myocarditis is.


Sorry, I am familiar with the pains of being an early adopter. It's fine for a new PC, but when it comes to experimental medical treatments I'd prefer to wait till they work out the bugs, or at least identify them all.

But if you want to beta test it, you're more than welcome. Just don't demand I do so as well.

One of the tangibles that so many ignore is your own ability to have a healthy immune system that does its job. The germ theory doesn't hold water. The terrain theory is key. How well does your body function and therefore adapt to its environment. THAT will determine if you fall victim to a virus that has such a high recovery rate, not a man made synthetic cocktail that can impact your body function negatively for the rest of your life. Sad that more have faith in the garbage peddled that they become entranced with compared to the ability of the human body. Of course that requires dedication, diligence and a knowledge on HOW to take care of yourself. I guess it's easier to just take the jab and call it a day.

 

[spat]

Don't think I've ever said I've been in favor of forced vaccination. I'd encourage it based on the data. But like smoking... I'd suggest you don't do it for the negative health impacts, but ultimately that choice should be yours and wouldn't suggest outlawing it.

I didn't think you did. Your position is quite reasonable considering the unknowns.

But those of us who have reached a different conclusion are under assault and I hope that concerns you greatly.

Even if you think we're wrong (and we might very well be) the coercive tactics being employed should shock anyone who values liberty.


As for the risk/benefit analysis,I think there *are* lots of people that a vax makes sense for, but there are also tons that it obviously does now, even trusting the officially available data.

If you're old and frail with one foot in the grave, covid has a decent chance to kill you. So does the vaccine, but probably not as much.

If you're young and healthy on the other hand, the virus has very little chance of killing you, but the vaccine seems as dangerous to you as is to grandma.

So, a vaccine makes no sense to a 20 something running triathalons every month.

It probably does make sense for most nursing home patients.

If you fall in the middle, you will need to figure that out as best you can.

 

[ManualF150]

Why is the only "approved" vaccine Pfizer? What about Moderna and Johnson and Johnson -- these two are still under EUA?

I find it strange that no one is talking about this. I would find it slightly more logical if they gave people choices under a "mandate".

Long story short, I was on a Pfizer medicine a while ago, and it didn't agree with me (medically). I don't want to do business with Pfizer or use that brand. Why aren't they pushing Modern and J&J to be approved?

 

[livingston]

I heard yesterday that 40 nurses were let go at a hospital in Batavia NY

 

[Dr. Evil]

Why is the only "approved" vaccine Pfizer?

You mean the "approved" jab that isn't available?

 

[spat]

Why is the only "approved" vaccine Pfizer? What about Moderna and Johnson and Johnson -- these two are still under EUA?

I find it strange that no one is talking about this. I would find it slightly more logical if they gave people choices under a "mandate".

Long story short, I was on a Pfizer medicine a while ago, and it didn't agree with me (medically). I don't want to do business with Pfizer or use that brand. Why aren't they pushing Modern and J&J to be approved?

How can there be any under EUA once there is one that is approved ?

I thought one of the requirements for an EUA was that there had to be no approved alternatives.

 

[holdover]

Due to the very dangerous and new strain of virus president Biden decided to leave the complete southern border wide open , for our safety.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I have 5 weeks until the deadline at work. Curious how the corporate policy is going to change by then with the response to a new variant, potential lockdowns, ineffective shots, etc, all leading to 50% of our workers out again on a liberal leave policy. And just like that, I could be a hero again.

 

[ManualF150]

As of yesterday, according to Brandon there will be no vaccine mandates.

Earlier in the year, he said that he wasn't going to mandate vaccines...

I don't believe this guy....... he's a liar. Brandon is a liar!

U.S. President Biden says not considering new vaccine mandates

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Friday his administration was not considering new vaccine mandates following the discovery of a new COVID-19 variant in South Africa, which led to travel bans from that country and seven other nations.

www.reuters.com

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

As of yesterday, according to Brandon there will be no vaccine mandates.

Earlier in the year, he said that he wasn't going to mandate vaccines...

I don't believe this guy....... he's a liar. Brandon is a liar!

U.S. President Biden says not considering new vaccine mandates

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Friday his administration was not considering new vaccine mandates following the discovery of a new COVID-19 variant in South Africa, which led to travel bans from that country and seven other nations.

www.reuters.com

Those are strong words.

He doesn't have to make a new mandate. He just has to force his existing shit down everyone's throats. Business' are already complying without a law even on the books. This country is so fucked, and at this point, we deserve every bit of it.