New York Proposes Banning Defensive Body Armor (S9407)

[Phazer]

Now, New York wants to criminalize the ownership of defensive equipment.

NY State Senate Bill 2021-S9407B

Prohibits the purchase of a body vest; establishes that the purchase of a body vest shall be a class A misdemeanor for a first offense and a class E felony for each subsequent offense; establishes that the unlawful sale of a body vest shall be a class A misdemeanor for the first offense and a...

www.nysenate.gov

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Is MOLLE a loophole?

 

[Cavalry]

And a defensive item potentially becomes illegal. This state is fucked

 

[Cavalry]

Is MOLLE a loophole?

lol yes it is.

Speaking of loopholes, this specifically says "vest" all over it. If someone were to sew some sleeves into their armor, how could they possibly convict on this?

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

lol yes it is.

Speaking of loopholes, this specifically says "vest" all over it. If someone were to sew some sleeves into their armor, how could they possibly convict on this?

What if the sleeves were zippered on, or able to be but were not attached? Is a short sleeve acceptable, or does it have to go all the way to the wrist?

 

[Bigfoot]

Mass murderers and criminals in general are not going to be at all concerned if body armor is illegal to possess. And they will use it.

Just like mass murderers and criminals in general are not going to be at all concerned if standard capacity mags are illegal to possess. And they will use them.

Then when you consider the bail reform law here in NY.
One has to question who's side the NY politicians are on.

It appears that it is not the side of the law abiding citizen.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Literally, run for your lives from this state.

 

[Cavalry]

What if the sleeves were zippered on, or able to be but were not attached? Is a short sleeve acceptable, or does it have to go all the way to the wrist?

Full burka only, no burkini.

 

[Cooolone]

How about ballistic clothing? The rich and famous all wear? Guess that would be ok...

Can't say it enough...

FUCK NY!!!

2020 Stats came out... NY lost almost. A half million more leaving than entered... There's a reason!

Wait until the Federal $$$ handouts dry up, NY was in the Red and bailed out by Brandon, but they are spending like a drunk who found a winning lottery ticket!

Just get the fuck out while ya can... Take the hit, let's this place dissolve to nothing!

 

[libertysnake]

They can certainly try to take it, but I'd assume most people will be wearing it when they try to take it.

 

[Paxal]

Now, New York wants to criminalize the ownership of defensive equipment.

NY State Senate Bill 2021-S9407B

Prohibits the purchase of a body vest; establishes that the purchase of a body vest shall be a class A misdemeanor for a first offense and a class E felony for each subsequent offense; establishes that the unlawful sale of a body vest shall be a class A misdemeanor for the first offense and a...

www.nysenate.gov

Good people create body armor to protect good people. Bad people learn about body armor from good people. Bad people use body armor to harm good people. Body armor taken from good people so only bad people can have it. We are safer now.

 

[Cooolone]

Really is totally retarded! How can you outlaw something that is defensive and inanimate!?!? Will it be illegal for a private person then to make or possess an armored vehicle? There's plenty out there!

More and more, these laws establish a separation of classes, if not establishing the class to begin with. All the special attention to sexual identity and you get free passes to all sorts of shit! Add skin pigmentation too and it's a windfall! Here, you're taking those who exercise a Constitutional Right, and maybe while attending a training situation, want to protect themselves because shit happens, and you want to make them a criminal?

Fuck you, you fucking idiots!

Stop penalizing the law abiding for the acts of the miscreants! These MF'ers DON'T OBEY LAW, unless you're not paying attention!!!

Come on SCOTUS release your ruling on NY already! I want some Linda Blair head spinning to counter all this bullshit! Can't wait ... Can't wait to watch as these public officials will basically proclaim they're not going to comply, but then expect all others to comply with their laws (then unconstitutional)...

Is it the Water? Has anybody checked the damn water lately? WTF is going on any more...?

Lol

 

[Phazer]

So, we can't defend ourselves and the police have no constitutional obligation to protect individuals.

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First, the police cannot and do not protect everyone from crime. Second, the government and the police in most localities owe no legal duty to protect individuals from criminal attack. When it comes to deterring crime and defending against criminals, individuals are ultimately responsible for themselves and their loved ones. Depending solely on police emergency response means relying on the telephone as the only defensive tool. Too often, citizens in trouble dial 911 . . . and die.

 

[Phazer]

Next issue: Is defensive body armor protected by the second amendment?

Some opinions say yes.

Haven't seen any legal rulings, yet.

 

[repete]

While I don't have a dog directly involved in this fight I'm against the bill. I believe it would be better if we made a mandatory extra 10 years for committing a felony while wearing body armor.

 

[GOPerfect]

This only says an armor vest. My carrier is not a vest. It slips on over the head....

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Not described in the bill.

 

[SonOfSun]

Not described in the bill.

Not surprising. The memo and the bill it's attached to are very different. The memo says the bill is to do one thing, and the wording of the bill is very different and does something else entirety.

My guess is they have two different authors and this politician introducing the bill didn't even bother to read it and just penned his name on it. Pretty pathetic and that would be so typical.

 

[spat]

While I don't have a dog directly involved in this fight I'm against the bill. I believe it would be better if we made a mandatory extra 10 years for committing a felony while wearing body armor.

How about we just make the penalty for committing an atrocity sufficient to begin with ?

You shouldn't need an add on like a gun or armor charge to put a murderer away for a very long time.

 

[spat]

Not surprising. The memo and the bill it's attached to are very different. The memo says the bill is to do one thing, and the wording of the bill is very different and does something else entirety.

My guess is they have two different authors and this politician introducing the bill didn't even bother to read it and just penned his name on it. Pretty pathetic and that would be so typical.

Bait and switch ? From our legislators ?

Say it ain't so....

 

[SonOfSun]

Bait and switch ? From our legislators ?

Say it ain't so....

It's not even that. The bill and memo are on the same page. And they don't match. Click the OP link. The memo and bill text are there. It's mind boggling how incompetent it is.

 

[RedBreast21]

Another example of whats wrong with Albany and Washington. Hastily written by people with little of no knowledge of the subject matter and it's only purpose is for use in November elections and the media interviews.

 

[Phazer]

I remember being at one of the Albany 2A rallies when the Moms Demand Action group was inside one of the buldings. They were being interviewed by the press as being "against gun violence." I remarked to one of the others at the rally, "Why doesn't the press come out here and interview the 2A supporters? We're ALL against gun violence. That's why we support the 2A. We want to be able to legally possess the tools to protect ourselves, our families, and other innocent people from gun violence done by criminals."

Banning defensive tools to law-abiding citizens is dangerous virtue signalling and misses the point.

The Left is seeking to engage in collective punishment of the whole population because of what some criminals do with equipment. Their logic is misplaced and misguided.

 

[Acer-m14]

they going to ban armor cars now ... they should just in case


if you got the money to buy one or balls even steal one and then drive it down the road when a parade is going on cuz your a evil person ..

ban them too ..

equal protection

 

[Dr. Evil]

Literally, run for your lives from this state.

Unless you are a criminal because you'd have a long and successful career.

 

[Stuckinny]

While I don't have a dog directly involved in this fight I'm against the bill. I believe it would be better if we made a mandatory extra 10 years for committing a felony while wearing body armor.

We can't even keep anyone in jail for the length of the original sentence.

 

[SomeSoldier]

While I don't have a dog directly involved in this fight I'm against the bill. I believe it would be better if we made a mandatory extra 10 years for committing a felony while wearing body armor.

I believe it already is a law.

 

[Acer-m14]

I believe it already is a law.

it is ..

and using a gun in a crime too

but we cant shoot back unless we jump hoops and pay a fee

#middleFinger

 

[BerettaGuy]

Unless you are a criminal because you'd have a long and successful career.

The people of New York State are hostage to the "people" of NY City who have to live an existence like this so they can feel hip and virtuous about living in the most diverse and progressive city in the world.

Frankly! For me! It's freaking disgusting! It's disgusting that my life is being affected by simp men and women that think they are as good as a man as well as groups that would vote for Adolph Hitler as long as he was a Democrat.

Then when some drugged-out "poor homeless special needs person" who is just a feckin junkie is having a bad day they cower like the commander in Texas at the school shooting.

Is it because they are simps or because they know that the "cops have no duty to protect" and even if they arrest the asshole he is on the street with a ticket because of an administration that refuses to incarcerate black people.

 

[Steal2B]

Next issue: Is defensive body armor protected by the second amendment?

Some opinions say yes.

Haven't seen any legal rulings, yet.

 

[Defilade]

They don't want you with a means to protect yourself. They are coming after the guns, ammo, Body armor. What's that tell ya?