Hierlevelz
9mm
So LGS have stated that this new bill makes it illegal to sell stripped lower receivers. Does this take effect ON or after July 6th?
Bill S9456
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If memory serves, the law was not write correctly and lowers are not illegal. There is a video or article around that explains.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
I believe your FFL is discussing 80% lowers since stripped lowers are serialized. The major challenge from this bill is making once potentially legal "others" (AR-15ish or shockwaveish) non-compliant.
There is inadequate detail where the bill could criminalize the likes of potatoe guns, can launchers, muzzle loaders and nail guns but they refused to address this in committee and talked their way around it.
There is inadequate detail where the bill could criminalize the likes of potatoe guns, can launchers, muzzle loaders and nail guns but they refused to address this in committee and talked their way around it.
Hierlevelz
9mm
The LGS was adamant that the bill included stripped serialized lower receivers and they would not sell them beyond July 6th. So I was hoping someone with a legal background could shed some light and or clarify if there is any merit to what I was told.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I’m buying one after July 6ths from an FFL. I have it on order and the transfer will take place after that time.
4WHLDRFTN
6.5 Creedmoor
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Try a new LGS
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Hierlevelz
9mm
Know of any in the Hudson Valley area that stock Aeroprecision?
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Aero M4E1s and M5 in all finishes have been moving quickly and inventory moves in and out before you know it. It is a great choice.
Don't get your heart set on finding a special limited edition run and your life may get easier.
Civil Armory in Pleasant Valley would be my first choice and they are a dealer
Collectors in Hopewell is a dealer also
Precision in Carmel is a dealer too but they seem to be moving more and more inventory on GunBroker
Hierlevelz
9mm
Thanks...I'll try Civil Armory on Tuesday.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
A few times while I was in there this year they were doing 4473s for Aero lowers. I don't know if they were sales or on-line transfers but it's a good crew
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
maverick52
.223 Rem
Yeah. All the smart ones left Germany.
That_FNG
6.5 Creedmoor
Don’t like the nazi’s germany? Just move to Poland. Don’t like the nazi’s now in Poland, just move to belgium. Don’t like the nazi’s now in belgium? Just move to France. Don’t like the nazi’s now in France? Just move to England. Hmmm, maybe instead of running we should stand our ground in England. Oh look nazi’s defeated after a long and bloody war. Sure would have been easier to just stay and fight the nazis in Germany.
If the guys @ Civil are still out of stock, try Ulster firearms on 9w in Milton.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
You can also try Adaptive Shooting Sports Home. I know they had them at one point. Also Indoor Range | United States | Hudson Valley Shooting Sportsv has had some when I was there.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Is Back Road Guns in New Paltz still around? He used to stock AP lowers.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
LGS make up all sorts of rules that don't actually exist.
Albany intentionally writes vague bullshit, because while you can challenge a law in court, you can't challenge the BS that businesses create to "play it safe".
spat
.700 Nitro Express
A lot of the Jews saw that writing on the wall.
The smart ones didn't go to Poland, they came here or to England.
You know, really, really smart like Albert Einstein, Edward Teller, Leo Szilard and John von Neumann
Those guys all lived in Germany and noped right out of there when they saw the Nazi's rising to power.
When you look at what they did here, vs what would have happened to them there, it's quite obvious that "stand and fight" would have been the worst possible plan.
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Brought this over from another thread for convenience. I saw a number of internet posts with the same conclusion and my posts were similarly supported with conversations I had with bureaucrats, political bandits and non billing legal authorities.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
The Firing Pin, LLC
https://www.facebook.com/TheFiringPinLlc/#Due to Senate Bill S9456, as of July 6th, 2022 we will no longer be selling or transferring stripped/complete lower receivers, Mossberg Shockwaves, Remington TAC14s, and similar firearms. If you ship one of these to us for transfer after this date, you will be charged a transfer and shipping fee and your items will be sent back.
We are doing our best to keep up with these brutal laws. We appreciate your patience and understanding as we try to stay afloat through the onslaught of infringements from Hochul.
LOWER RECIEVERS BANNED AS OF TOMORROW
The Firing Pin .. LIVE yesterday ..
and this was posted in the comment section
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, any weapon not defined in the law is now banned ?
Sharp sticks, umbrellas, golf clubs, everything I guess.
It should be overturned just on the basis that that turns the whole foundation of the theory of government in the US on its head.
Everything is legal until it is prohibited. Any law that tries to invert that is invalid on it's face.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
According to a number of elected Albany politicians, bureaucrats involved with the vindictive bill, NYSP staff, and lawyers the Firing Pin's opinion here is incorrect about serialized lower receivers. My guess is they just don't want to bother with that part of the business now. Use another FFL.The Firing Pin, LLC
The Firing Pin, LLC
Due to Senate Bill S9456, as of July 6th, 2022 we will no longer be selling or transferring stripped/complete lower receivers, Mossberg Shockwaves, Remington TAC14s, and similar firearms. If you ship one of these to us for transfer after this date, you will be charged a transfer and shipping fee and your items will be sent back.
We are doing our best to keep up with these brutal laws. We appreciate your patience and understanding as we try to stay afloat through the onslaught of infringements from Hochul.
LOWER RECIEVERS BANNED AS OF TOMORROW
The Firing Pin .. LIVE yesterday ..
and this was posted in the comment section
AR-15ish "others" (they had feature sets that were not NYS SAFE compliant) and Shockwaveish "others" are a different story and a target of the legislation.
Hierlevelz
9mm
I've called around to several of the lGS suggested earlier in the thread and they've all ceased sales of the lowers.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
I was at HVSS today and they are not sure what to do yet.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
I'll stop in one next week and talk with an owner who knows me. I'll update the thread.
Already heard favorable information from politicians, bureaucrats, a lawyer, and NYSP so I am not sure why there is reluctance, ... I'm starting to guess (no evidence just know some of the players) there have been some threats or fears of legal consequences from some who are either 1) ill informed or more likely 2) taking advantage of the intentional confusion.
I was told this and a few other points were recognized before passage ... but the "committee" thought additional clarification or word-smithing was not needed to reflect their intent ( in this case serialized NYS major part " receivers" could be legally processed when checking the federal 4473 "other" box as always.)
We shall see.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Lower receivers are redefined in the Penal code and CAN be transferred moving forward - Long Island Gun Club
It appears at least that someone is reviewing the laws that were passed. I just received this update from Campsite today. LAW UPDATE Effective as of July 6th 2022 in section 265.00 3-a Lower receivers are redefined in the Penal code and CAN be transferred moving forward. They are back on our...
www.longislandgunclub.com
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
The Firing Pin, LLC
https://www.facebook.com/TheFiringP...Apg7ThP7CxDy4TneCZkSoqJnTCvr--w&__tn__=,O,P-RAfter MUCH review and counsel from multiple different people inside and outside the industry, including NYSP, we admit that we were (luckily) WRONG about stripped lowers this week.
We would rather have to backpedal like this than be shut down for selling something we weren't supposed to. Shout-out to all of the people that called our bluff and helped us through the wording of the extremely and intentionally vague law that we accidentally over-interpreted. If you have a lower here, we will transfer it to you like normal, and we will be re-stocking our supply of stripped lower receivers!
This is why TFP is the best