NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[John Stark]

Did anyone figure out the safe act yet

Yes, its called Tyranny.

Just like the bullshit that (again) just got rammed through in the middle of the night down in Albany.

Of course, the other side of that coin is that NY gun owners are already (again) capitulating to it as they reach for their wallet (again) to keep their precious permission slip kindly granted from their political masters. (Fundamental Rights??? Pishwah!)

Registration is confiscation! Remember that old saw?

People right here on this forum are already bending over backwards to figure what they have to do to recert their handgun licenses, and how to comply with the law.

How many NYers are going are going to jump at the chance to get their shiny new semi-auto(!!!) license so they can exercise their privilege and add another government approved permission slip to their credentials?

Compliance is treason. It is a repudiation of everything better men fought and killed and died for.

Fuck that.

 

[Vapor]

Let's just be real.


Gun ownership and the gun hobbies are all but dead now in this state. Dead.

Carry is dead. You can't carry in your car? Dead.


We've allowed a city of brainwashed sycophants determine our future.

There's nothing here to be saved..


Scorched earth.

 

[Tisto]

Yes, its called Tyranny.

Just like the bullshit that (again) just got rammed through in the middle of the night down in Albany.

Of course, the other side of that coin is that NY gun owners are already (again) capitulating to it as they reach for their wallet (again) to keep their precious permission slip kindly granted from their political masters. (Fundamental Rights??? Pishwah!)

Registration is confiscation! Remember that old saw?

People right here on this forum are already bending over backwards to figure what they have to do to recert their handgun licenses, and how to comply with the law.

How many NYers are going are going to jump at the chance to get their shiny new semi-auto(!!!) license so they can exercise their privilege and add another government approved permission slip to their credentials?

Compliance is treason. It is a repudiation of everything better men fought and killed and died for.

Fuck that.

Careful there...don't say "capitulate" too loud, or mr M1 will get upset.

 

[Defilade]

Yes, its called Tyranny.

Just like the bullshit that (again) just got rammed through in the middle of the night down in Albany.

Of course, the other side of that coin is that NY gun owners are already (again) capitulating to it as they reach for their wallet (again) to keep their precious permission slip kindly granted from their political masters. (Fundamental Rights??? Pishwah!)

Registration is confiscation! Remember that old saw?

People right here on this forum are already bending over backwards to figure what they have to do to recert their handgun licenses, and how to comply with the law.

How many NYers are going are going to jump at the chance to get their shiny new semi-auto(!!!) license so they can exercise their privilege and add another government approved permission slip to their credentials?

Compliance is treason. It is a repudiation of everything better men fought and killed and died for.

Fuck that.

Exactly right! Quit your dam complying and Man the fuck up! Are you going to got thru all this compliance shit so you can look at your gun at home? This horseshit ramed down everyones throat has neutered our 2nd ammendment here in NY.

 

[Truebeliever]

Not if you actually read the "qualified immunity" rules.
By going outside their duties to impose unConstitutional laws they no longer have qualified immunity. They can be sued.

Every "law" that has been ruled unConstitutional by the S.C. is one more chance to financially drain these tyrants.

Politicans as it to the passing of laws are immune, period. It’s not even qualified immunity. It’s immunity. The laws you need to sue are made them, remember.
A politican can introduce a law that’s it okay to kill people— they are immune. They could pass a law authorizing rape. They are immune from lawsuits if it’s based in the voting of the law itself.

 

[Truebeliever]

So exactly what suspicion would a 50 cal ammo can raise ? Would you think it has ammunition in it ? In your previous scenario, some guy has an ammo can in his back seat at 2:00 am, and has an order of protection against him. Do you think you have probable cause for a warrant when he refuses to let you look inside ?

There are a ton of containers that get cross purposed. Exactly what is a container "associated with a gun " ?

The answer is …. Yep. A judge will grant it. Remember that probable cause is only a 51% chance that they are right.

 

[Tisto]

The answer is …. Yep. A judge will grant it. Remember that probable cause is only a 51% chance that they are right.

On what grounds ? A green box. That's nothing. It means nothing. If you're using a green box as "reasonable suspicion" then you are the problem. To me, it says you are indeed fishing.

Half the people I know have an ammo can in their vehicle. Most use them for emergency kits.

 

[Acer-m14]

The text of the new exception is:
3-A. POSSESSION OF A PISTOL OR REVOLVER BY A PERSON UNDERGOING LIVE-FIRE RANGE TRAINING PURSUANT TO SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER WHILE SUCH PERSON IS UNDERGOING SUCH TRAINING AND IS SUPERVISED BY A DULY AUTHORIZED INSTRUCTOR.

and just who is the DULY AUTHORIZED INSTRUCTOR ..

ohhh this Guy ..


or this ..

Teacher, reserve cop accidentally fires gun in Calif. high school, police say

Gun was pointed at ceiling when it went off in Seaside, Calif., high school and bullet fragments slightly hurt one student, authorities say

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Truebeliever]

On what grounds ? A green box. That's nothing. It means nothing. If you're using a green box as "reasonable suspicion" then you are the problem. To me, it says you are indeed fishing.

Half the people I know have an ammo can in their vehicle. Most use them for emergency kits.

A green 50 cal ammo box is different than just a green box. The answer is a yes. They will be able to get a search warrant for it if possession of a gun or ammo is illegal for the driver to possess.

 

[Rap]

What about the prosecutors? Couldn't a 2A friendly county just not prosecute people? Or how about the police grow a pair and ignore the unconstitutional laws?

The arrest will still come up at recertification time (if the cops don't ignore the laws)...

 

[spat]

No it doesn't. It should be up to the private property owners if guns are allowed or not. Either forcing private establishments to allow or disallow guns is equally stupid.

Private property shouldn't be a gun free zones as in bringing a gun onto it is criminal.

But the owner should have the right to deny access to anyone they want for any reason (like they're carrying a gun).

So, violating a private prohibition on firearms would be trespassing, but no more.

 

[spat]

A green 50 cal ammo box is different than just a green box. The answer is a yes. They will be able to get a search warrant for it if possession of a gun or ammo is illegal for the driver to possess.

I have a lot of guns, I have a lot of ammo cans.

None of my guns are in ammo cans (except an airsoft pistol and accessories).

I have a can full of screws, another full of pennies. They are great for *anything* that a plastic box isn't heavy duty enough for.

So claiming that an ammo can is "probable cause" of a gun is an absolute fail.

If that's what your "experience and training" lead to, then "experience and training" is obviously insufficient to establish real probable cause.

You should have to have actual statistics to cite in court to prove probable cause.

"My extensively trained gut told me so" should not cut it.

 

[Glock_USA]

We can bombard them with letters. This is a good one from GOA:

NY: Governor Kathy Hochul Ignores SCOTUS Decision; Makes it Harder to Carry Anyway | GOA

Despite the Supreme Court opinion stating that New York’s “may issue” permitting system is unconstitutional, your State Legislators and Governor Kathy Hochul just launched a direct attack on concealed carry. All in a matter of just a few days, a bill was slapped together, passed, and signed into...

www.gunowners.org

LOL. Letters? Are you delusional? Sorry but nobody is reading or giving a shit about letters. Right in the trash they'll go. Dont waste your time.

 

[pshift]

I do know that they send automated responses. It's all the same when you write your elected official. I firmly believe in the 'death by 1000 cuts' principle. They are doing it to us and we can do it to them. Someone will notice. Here is the gibberish that I received in my email:

Thank you very much for your email.

As New York State's 57th Governor, I look forward to working together to rebuild our communities and continue to move our great state forward.

Over the past seven years, I have traveled throughout the state and continue to be inspired by the strength, diversity, and perseverance of New Yorkers. I promise to do everything I can, every single day, to create a stronger, safer future for you, our families, and our communities and to make government a force for good once again.

Thank you again for writing and for helping to make New York the beautiful and diverse state that it is. It’s my great honor to serve you as we lead the way forward.

Sincerely,

GOVERNOR KATHY HOCHUL

 

[GTN]

Let's just be real.


Gun ownership and the gun hobbies are all but dead now in this state. Dead.

Carry is dead. You can't carry in your car? Dead.


We've allowed a city of brainwashed sycophants determine our future.

There's nothing here to be saved..


Scorched earth.

Can’t carry in my car?

 

[pshift]

My car gave me permission to carry within it. There is a sign attached to the window...

 

[Cavalry]

Can’t carry in my car?

I'm not sure where he came up with that one. You can still carry a loaded pistol in your car as well as an unloaded long gun. If you leave pews in your car it needs to be in a lockbox unloaded.
I am not sure why the box in your car needs to be "fire and impact resistant"...its also interesting to note I dot see anything that says it has to be secured to the vehicle, which makes perfect sense.
I love the language about this magical box. "
when locked, is incapable of being opened without the key, combination or other unlocking mechanism keypad, and is capable of preventing an unauthorized person from obtaining access to and possession of the weapon contained therein"
There is no vault know to man that is "incapable of being opened" If someone made it, someone can open it.

 

[Defilade]

Politicans as it to the passing of laws are immune, period. It’s not even qualified immunity. It’s immunity. The laws you need to sue are made them, remember.
A politican can introduce a law that’s it okay to kill people— they are immune. They could pass a law authorizing rape. They are immune from lawsuits if it’s based in the voting of the law itself.

Where does it say that? Link? I don't believe that is in our State's Constitution.

 

[CaliberPlus]

What a lot of people are missing is that the regulations on FFL's are so onerous and will carry an expense of TIME and money, that many will give up. The way I am reading S51001 is it basically outlaws all gun and ammo sales without "permission", $$ and shit ton of paperwork. That includes internet sales out of state, as it is worded. You think the few insurance companies that still cover ranges and stores will continue to do so? You think the magically appearing instructors will find ranges and find insurance to do the handgun permits? These "laws" strike at the heart of any and all gun ownership in this state. There are no work arounds. The few that were left after June 6th are done away with after the "emergency session".

Shooting sports gone. Gun stores gone. Registration here in full force. Now go ahead and argue about that. Maybe you can find where the exceptions are spelled out. I can't.

 

[Cavalry]

§ 265.01-e deals with the "sensitive places" debacle.

section 3 "This section shall not apply to:" sub-section F "active-duty military personnel"

Not military personnel in the course of their duties. Active duty personnel in general. Unless I am reading this wrong, Active duty military can carry wherever they want?

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

§ 265.01-e deals with the "sensitive places" debacle.

section 3 "This section shall not apply to:" sub-section F "active-duty military personnel"

Not military personnel in the course of their duties. Active duty personnel in general. Unless I am reading this wrong, Active duty military can carry wherever they want?

While on duty.

 

[FRB]

As much as it pains me, I plan on adhering 100% to the law until the courts intercede and hopefully reverse some of this insanity.

So in other words, your guns stay home and never leave.

 

[FRB]

Feeling infringed yet?

I head up the safety team at three churches, we are not stopping the protection of the folks! No way, not a chance!

 

[Steal2B]

As much as it pains me, I plan on adhering 100% to the law until the courts intercede and hopefully reverse some of this insanity.

 

[Steal2B]

I am not sure why the box in your car needs to be "fire and impact resistant".

Because the lazy bastards cut and pasted some words from CA, who has a CDOJ specification.

It seems most commercial gun boxes comply with the CA CDOJ specs, who knows what the morons in NYS were thinking. Evil and stupid is a bad combination.

 

[FRB]

Hochul will still win regardless if all those vote for Zeldin.

Lot harder in NY to cheat than other states. 80% of us show up to vote we win.

 

[FRB]

They changed the law so you can train without a permit.

well then, lets extend all of NY to a training zone!

 

[Glock_USA]

Heard it explained on a popular YouTube channel today that the state police will need to run the background checks for firearms and ammo sales. No longer does the local FFL dealer do it. So you will fill out your info and the dealer will send it to state police then they will do it on their own time and notify the dealer that you passed or failed. Im guessing the timeline will be 30 days at least. Who knows.

 

[FRB]

Concurrence don't hold the and weight as the actual opinion, especially when both said in their concurrence that they fully support the majority opinion

says who?

 

[FRB]

Concurrence don't hold the and weight as the actual opinion, especially when both said in their concurrence that they fully support the majority opinion

says who?