4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
It can not be transferred after 30 days with out a call from nics. if you go past the 30 days a new nics and can not be transferred at that time either unless you get a proceed
Delay (NICS/Background Check)
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Bruen .. 
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
Yes ,, you are still fkd in the shit stain on the underwear of life
I got delayed in NY almost every purchase because of a DWAI conviction 12 years ago and an Aggravated Harassment/Disorderly Conduct (Non-Domestic) charge 17 years ago.. But it usually went through within 24 hours. Never been flat out denied or gone the 30 days. But I know people who have... After the 3 days are up, you are pretty much just bending over and taking in the brown hole for another 27 days... That is pretty much what has happened to EVERYONE I know who went past 72 hours. But I avoid the BS now,. Moved to PA. We got Suppressors here! And Concealed Carry is done within a week or two of applying. But it's because every NICS check is run not by a shop owner to some computer link for an archaic federal system but handled directly by the PA State Police. So Officers at SP run the NICS check, and delays are actually reviewed on the spot by the officer running the check. And if no disqualifiers are found, they approve the transaction. Now all my purchases go through in 15-20 minutes depending on how busy it is... And the longest it took was 2 hours. That was back when the riots were still going and people were losing their shit... Good luck though...
Dude...1st day of Hunting Season is a state holiday. Politicians who fuck with the 2A here... Don't get re-elected... ESPECIALLY NOW... The only really blue districts in this state is Philly and Pittsburg and some of the suburbs of those cities. The rest of the state is red as fuck... And even the blue voters here own guns... And it's starting to swing back to total red. So yeah... I think 2A rights are gonna hold up here for a long time.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Worse still for NY residents.Yeah that's what I was afraid of. Thanks for the reply.
In most states once you have a CC license you are exempt from NICS at all. NY specifically chose *not* to exempt their permit holders from NICS, despite the extensive background check they have already been through to get the permit.
Gunright
.45 acp
PA: No state taxes on pension, social security, IRA/401K/etc distributions. One bad thing: They do have a death/inheritance tax (4.5% for transfers to direct descendants (lineal heirs), 12% for transfers to siblings, and 15% for transfers to other heirs)
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That was another prime motivation for the PA move.. Civil Service pensions are not taxed at the state level.. And yes.. that means extra pewpew food!
I ain’t worried about it. Ain’t leaving shit for anyone. Everything I own is being liquidated and given to the ASPCA, AQHA Rescue, Draft Horse Rescue, and a few Veteran organizations…
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
I belive you have a typo since it is 4.5 percent on transfers to direct descendants and lineal heirs.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
EXPOSED: FBI FAILS on 1 MILLION background checks... Underbelly of Gun Control is showing
It’s possible Bruen may have been a factor. Didn’t hear anything about the 30 day rule in the SCOTUS decision, but then I didn’t actually read the whole thing since it didn’t affect me. Might have just been a timing thing with the holiday weekend and submitting so late in the day. Think I saw you submitted Friday at 5 PM… So maybe everything just got pushed till Monday. Either way, doesn’t really matter at this point. Done is done. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth right? Congrats on the new pew pew..
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I just bought two pistols and my friend another pistol with me standing there. The FFL did the NICS in front of me and him and they read off the name and the question responses and then the proceed for us both was within seconds. FBI must have typed in the name while on the phone and by the end he just said do I have a confirmation on a proceed? And the FBI agent said yes confirmed since I could hear him on the other end of the line. Super easy. 30 minutes in and out with chit chat, filling out the paperwork, checking out the guns, and doing the PPO paperwork.
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Took my wife recently to get the Shied E-Z as she’s getting older and racking a slide is getting more difficult. She filled out the NICS and before she even finished the Purchase order.. Approved… I mean it was literally less than 3 minutes… I was FLOORED! Like WTF! Someone ate their Wheeties that day!
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yes the FFL was on the phone for less than 5 minutes with conducting two background checks for the three firearms.
My concern is that, if they actually have the FFL call NYSP and have NYSP do the NICS, there will be artificial delays built in to discourage people from exercising their rights. Something along the lines of "wait 5 days before you perform any new check".
Right now I can walk in and buy a gun and be done in less than 15 minutes. Artificial delays are a deliberate infringement of my 2A right and should be thrown out as unconstitutional.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Better odds they have one guy handling all the calls for NYS and your FFL needs to sit on hold for 45 mins to even talk to him.
Dude could work his ass off, but in a system designed to fail.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
I waited about 30 minutes a few weeks ago, and the status at the time was "researching ". Never had that before.
Gunright
.45 acp
You are correct, my cut and paste from the PA site was missing the 4. Sorry about that and thanks for catching this.I belive you have a typo since it is 4.5 percent on transfers to direct descendants and lineal heirs.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yes I don’t disagree with you there. I was just speaking to my experience in relation to the person being told the NCIS is busy and that’s what caused the delay. I’m not sure that’s the cause.
I don’t think so… To be honest, when I was on the job I used to talk to NYS Troopers all the time… Most of the ones I met over the 23 years I was a LEO, (like 95%) were very much Pro 2A. If the State Troopers took over I think it would go smoother and quicker. The ones causing the MOST problems are the liberal judges who are supposed to be issuing pistol permits. The local Sheriffs are doing their part.. at least upstate they were… But these f*ing liberal ass judges that would get moved from NYC and Westchester to Putnam, Orange, etc.. They would drag their feet and intentionally try to find reasons to disqualify someone even though they passed an NICS… When my wife was getting her permit in Putnam, the COURT, not the sheriff, sat on her paperwork for a premises permit for 19 months AFTER the sheriff’s office submitted it…
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
GOA lawsuit coming and more ..
"21. In other words, according to the Second Amendment’s text, and as elucidated by the Court in Bruen, if a member of “the people” wishes to “keep” or “bear” a protected “arm,” then the ability to do so “shall not be infringed.” Period. There are no “ifs, ands or buts,” and it does not matter (even a little bit) how important, significant, compelling, or overriding the government’s justification for or interest in infringing the right. It does not matter whether a government restriction “minimally” versus “severely” burdens (infringes) the Second Amendment. There are no relevant statistical studies to be consulted. There are no sociological arguments to be considered. The ubiquitous problems of crime or the density of population do not affect the equation. The only appropriate inquiry then, according to Bruen, is what the “public understanding of the right to keep and bear arms” was during the ratification of the Second Amendment in 1791, and perhaps during ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868. Bruen, Slip Op. at 29"
Permission Permits begone .. and more to come ..
nygunforum.com
"21. In other words, according to the Second Amendment’s text, and as elucidated by the Court in Bruen, if a member of “the people” wishes to “keep” or “bear” a protected “arm,” then the ability to do so “shall not be infringed.” Period. There are no “ifs, ands or buts,” and it does not matter (even a little bit) how important, significant, compelling, or overriding the government’s justification for or interest in infringing the right. It does not matter whether a government restriction “minimally” versus “severely” burdens (infringes) the Second Amendment. There are no relevant statistical studies to be consulted. There are no sociological arguments to be considered. The ubiquitous problems of crime or the density of population do not affect the equation. The only appropriate inquiry then, according to Bruen, is what the “public understanding of the right to keep and bear arms” was during the ratification of the Second Amendment in 1791, and perhaps during ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868. Bruen, Slip Op. at 29"
Permission Permits begone .. and more to come ..
GOA files lawsuits against NYS
Gun owners of America files lawsuit against NYS carry laws
nygunforum.com
Like yourself there are a lot of pro-2A LEOs, I have no doubt about that. I've worked with many over the years. Individually I wouldn't fault them but under the whip of NYS, as an organization they would be hamstrung, I think. At the end of the day Bruen is their boss, and while they might not agree with the policy, what choice would they have that would make a difference? It works well in PA running their own BGC because as you said the pols don't fuck with 2A and survive long. Please don't read me as anti-LEO, I'm not, at least not at state and local levels. I hope you are right, but I just don't believe NYS gov't has a lot of interest in making anything 2A go smoother or quicker.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
They will not put pro 2a NYS troopers in charge of this.
In my own anecdotal experience, I never used to get delays in Massachusetts. Had an LTC no restrictions/all lawful purposes, yadda yadda. Then did a personal xfer once maybe 5 year back for an FN49 Turk (old school surplus rifle) at an FFL and got a delay. Then got a proceed in a couple days (if memory serves), so I chalked it up to being a Sunday NICS check.
Moved to NY a few years ago. Fast forward to a few months ago, got another delay in NY for a 10/22. FFL said it was "probably because I put my SSN on the 4473". I thought that made zero sense at all. After a few days I got a proceed. My name is uncommon, my record is clear, and since my first delay back in MA I had decided to include my SSN from then on.
And recently, after the semi-auto license law was being passed in NY, I got my third delay on a rifle transfer. No SSN on the 4473 just to try out the previous FFL's theory. Clearly, that's not the reason for my delays.
TL;DR:
After a little bit of Google-fu, I found a potential candidate for at least my last two delays: I used to have a security clearance while in the military. It has since expired, so it's entirely plausible that the people running the NICS check see that as a flag, and lacking the clearance to check into it have to call another entity for confirmation that it was expired and not revoked. It then becomes a matter of these people with security clearance access being available to check.
Just my observations on the matter.
Moved to NY a few years ago. Fast forward to a few months ago, got another delay in NY for a 10/22. FFL said it was "probably because I put my SSN on the 4473". I thought that made zero sense at all. After a few days I got a proceed. My name is uncommon, my record is clear, and since my first delay back in MA I had decided to include my SSN from then on.
And recently, after the semi-auto license law was being passed in NY, I got my third delay on a rifle transfer. No SSN on the 4473 just to try out the previous FFL's theory. Clearly, that's not the reason for my delays.
TL;DR:
After a little bit of Google-fu, I found a potential candidate for at least my last two delays: I used to have a security clearance while in the military. It has since expired, so it's entirely plausible that the people running the NICS check see that as a flag, and lacking the clearance to check into it have to call another entity for confirmation that it was expired and not revoked. It then becomes a matter of these people with security clearance access being available to check.
Just my observations on the matter.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Bought 2 Rossi 22lr SA rifles last week for plinking. FFL entered info on computer from the time he hit enter till I got my approval was maybe 30 seconds. I always use my SS#. 
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I use my SS# as well since the government knows it anyway. Also my name is very unique so it would be an easy search either way.Bought 2 Rossi 22lr SA rifles last week for plinking. FFL entered info on computer from the time he hit enter till I got my approval was maybe 30 seconds. I always use my SS#.
There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for Delays; People with Badges seem to get them as much or more than people we truly wonder about....For 20+ years I've held a UPIN, 03-FFL, Class A CDL, Federal Employee ID, FAA Licenses, FCC Licenses, NYSEMT Licenses, an uncommon name, no charges, conviction, or Violations (sans a dismissed Traffic Ticket) Honorable Discharge and a NYS Handgun Licenses as well one from Florida and PA....I get put on "Delay/Further Review" every single time I submit a NICS Check.