ATF agent taking photos of FFL's A&D book

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So possible explanation

FFL still using paper books.. ATF agent is converting them to digital pdf files
 
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That’s a joke. Most of the larger gun retailers — and all of the wholesalers — have electronic A&D records that ATF has direct access to.
 
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C3D said:
That’s a joke. Most of the larger gun retailers — and all of the wholesalers — have electronic A&D records that ATF has direct access to.
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This FFL has said that he keeps paper records because he doesn't trust the government (see video I posted above)
 
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Did they are anyone in the same shoes ask the auditor why are you doing this??? I know if my auditors for say Workers comp or somethng want or take something unusual I ask or want to know why..........for what purpose.

OH its ok its just for gun registry we are buildings...nothing to see here....just doing MY JOB........
 
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Well they need the cc data so they can fine you for some made bullcrap law or something that you are gonna violate in the future for having a gun....dont worry its ok.....they need it for the future...

maybe a find for everyday you dont turn in your gun..... something..they will find a way to use it.
 
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The ATF's Industry Operations manual is posted online.

http://www.lawandfreedom.com/wordpr...perations-Manual-released-to-GOA-Nov-2019.pdf

Regarding photographing/copying records it says:


167. PHOTOCOPYING AND REMOVING RECORDS.
For best evidence of a violation, copies of records must be made to document omissions
and errors cited on ATF F 5030.5. If the IOI does not have access to a copier at the
industry member’s premises, the records may, with the proprietor’s consent, be removed
for copying using ATF F 3400.23. Upon return of the documents, the IOI must have the
industry member sign and date the ATF F 3400.23 indicating receipt of the records.
a. IOIs are not authorized to remove an FFL’s records (or copies of those records
including computerized printouts, from the licensed premises only for
convenience purpose or other reasons lacking a legal basis. (Only records that117RIP(b)(3) 26 U.S.C. § 6103(b)(3) 26 U.S.C. § 6103(b)(3) 26 U.S.C. § 6103
document violations shall be photocopied or scanned.) Refer to ATF
Memorandum dated May 15, 2012, Photocopying Federal Firearms Licensee
Records during Regulatory Inspections/Investigations.
b. If there are too many records to copy, a representative sample should be
photocopied, photographed, or scanned to document the violation. For
inspections that do not result in recommendation of revocation or denial (e.g.,
ROV, WL, WC, etc.), a minimum sample of five photocopies of instances of each
type of violation is sufficient for demonstrating the violation. However, all
instances of the violation must be documented on a worksheet. Division counsel
should be consulted regarding the number of forms needed as evidence.
c. Photocopies of FFL and FEL A&D records must be made prior to the
licensee/permittee making any corrective notations on them, for documentary
purposes. Further, an FFL or FEL should not make amendments to transaction
records, such as the ATF F 4473. Rather, if it is necessary, due to traceability of
the firearm for a purchaser to return to the premises to add or correct information
on a firearms or explosives transaction record, you should advise them to make a
photocopy of the record and have amendments made to the photocopy.
d. Refer to Advisory on Safe Photography, for guidance when taking photographs
around explosives.

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"
If the IOI does not have access to a copier at the
industry member’s premises,
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the only FFL with out a copy machine LOL ..
 
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