NYC, is as safe as ever ~~~~not

[Truebeliever]

No, calling both the cook and the Ranger "soldier" is closer to what you're talking about.

Now, your notions of who gets to be a "cop" and who doesn't is closer to the idea where most civilians call everyone in any branch a "soldier".

It may piss off a sailor or an airman if you call them soldier (and it probably will piss off a soldier of you call a sailor or airman a soldier too), but to most civilians soldier is just the name for a member of the armed forces.

Cop, police officer, peace officer, etc are the same way. Those in the industry have their notions of all the fine distinctions, but to the outside world it doesn't matter.

You probably think of everyone who works with pipes as a "plumber". But in the industry, a plumber is not a pipefitter is not a steamfitter. But to you any guy connecting pipes is a plumber, right ?

I think my point is the opposite but simThe cook( if in the army ) and the Ranger are all soldiers . Not all soldiers are rangers.
Not all police/peace officers are cops. It’s a destination of how that police officer works. Not all police officers in the same department are considered cops. That cook could be placed on the front lines and in danger but isn’t expected to perform to the level of that ranger.
Do think the career paper pushing female officer is expected to perform the same way as the cop who has been on patrol for 10 years if called out to the front line of a riot? Same danger, different expectations. And that does and did happen for a lot of 2020. And they are both police officers .

But your recognition civilian misuse of the title “ cop “ is right. The press often calls the AG of US- America’s top cop when he/she was never an LEO beyond being a prosecutor.
It’s like some military get into an uproar about the term civilian by the police even if the dictionary says it applies to non members of the military, police, or firefighter services.

 

[SomeSoldier]

If I took a navy cook, put a rifle in his hand , and gave no additional training is he a marine or be called a Ranger? But they are all military right? That’s a better comparison to illustrate my point .

Maybe that's the difference. In the Military you are trained to be a soldier first, then your specialization. So yes if you hand that cook a rifle he is going to know what to do with it and most units have to qualify with a rifle every year.

 

[Truebeliever]

Maybe that's the difference. In the Military you are trained to be a soldier first, then your specialization. So yes if you hand that cook a rifle he is going to know what to do with it and most units have to qualify with a rifle every year.

Yes. And that police officer would have been trained at some point too. But there would be lower expectation of performance to perform in combat beyond a basic level correct ? Would that navy cook be expected to perform small unit tactics to the level that an infantry man would beyond holding a position ?
Not all LEO positions or departments are the same .
Better example. Broward County sheriff’s department were police officers but Coral Springs PD were cops during parkland .

 

[spat]

I think my point is the opposite but simThe cook( if in the army ) and the Ranger are all soldiers . Not all soldiers are rangers.
Not all police/peace officers are cops. It’s a destination of how that police officer works. Not all police officers in the same department are considered cops. That cook could be placed on the front lines and in danger but isn’t expected to perform to the level of that ranger.
Do think the career paper pushing female officer is expected to perform the same way as the cop who has been on patrol for 10 years if called out to the front line of a riot? Same danger, different expectations. And that does and did happen for a lot of 2020. And they are both police officers .

But your recognition civilian misuse of the title “ cop “ is right. The press often calls the AG of US- America’s top cop when he/she was never an LEO beyond being a prosecutor.
It’s like some military get into an uproar about the term civilian by the police even if the dictionary says it applies to non members of the military, police, or firefighter services.

The notion of "civilians" is used colloquially in many professions to refer to outsiders.

It only properly applies to military.

The plumbers union probably considers you a "civilian" if you go to unclog your own toilet too.

 

[Jchrisls]

This is a black person issue.

Additionally, they certainly were legally obtained.

 

[maverick52]

When you're outnumbered 50 or 60 or 100 to 1, you're fucked. You'll never be able to get them all, they'll keep coming. And no, the cops cannot and will not help.

“You boys can get me. But I’m taking 10 or 12 of you with me. I’ll start with you…” Wyatt Earp

 

[Jchrisls]

When you're outnumbered 50 or 60 or 100 to 1, you're fucked. You'll never be able to get them all, they'll keep coming. And no, the cops cannot and will not help.

Do you honestly believe, truly, that after seeing some being potentially injured or killed that the balance of the 100 would continue to approach? Human behavior simply doesn't work that way.

 

[SomeSoldier]

But our training doesn't end at basic training. It continues throughout your time in service.

You are correct that a cook would not perform an L shaped ambush as well as a infantry unit but if that cook was called to supplement in an infantry unit he/she could.

 

[spat]

Yes. And that police officer would have been trained at some point too. But there would be lower expectation of performance to perform in combat beyond a basic level correct ? Would that navy cook be expected to perform small unit tactics to the level that an infantry man would beyond holding a position ?
Not all LEO positions or departments are the same .
Better example. Broward County sheriff’s department were police officers but Coral Springs PD were cops during parkland .

In the police world the guys walking around wearing a uniform would be the everyday grunts.

The guys with a desk working financial or cyber crimes would be the highly trained special operations types.

The guys working undercover would be the CIA spooks that *nobody* should trust.

 

[Truebeliever]

In the police world the guys walking around wearing a uniform would be the everyday grunts.

The guys with a desk working financial or cyber crimes would be the highly trained special operations types.

The guys working undercover would be the CIA spooks that *nobody* should trust.

Yes and no. Uniform guys would be the grunts . Detectives or plainclothes would be the special operators and the spies would be the undercover cops.
Financial crimes would tend to be a completely different branch but that capacity can also in the police force, depending on the department.
The FBI might be more like special forces in many ways because they use the local talent ( local police) to get the mission accomplished. But unlike special forces, a lot of FBI agents have no street smarts ( some do) . They, in general , are good with electronic and paper trails however.

 

[Truebeliever]

But our training doesn't end at basic training. It continues throughout your time in service.

You are correct that a cook would not perform an L shaped ambush as well as an infantry unit but if that cook was called to supplement in an infantry unit he/she could.

Yes, I understand that they would . Cops get the training in the police academy etc etc and get continuous training . Some good , some bad . But if you don’t do it all the time , that skill set is not developed and can even diminish. More importantly it’s a mind set .A “police officer” can rise to the occasion, but the “ cop” is already there or proven themselves.
My faulty attempt to explain it was what was at fault here.
Maybe a better comparison might have be how there are soldiers but they aren’t all grunts .

 

[dwa12479]

Do you honestly believe, truly, that after seeing some being potentially injured or killed that the balance of the 100 would continue to approach? Human behavior simply doesn't work that way.

Did you watch the video of the Range Rover I posted? That's exactly what happened.

 

[dwa12479]

Do you honestly believe, truly, that after seeing some being potentially injured or killed that the balance of the 100 would continue to approach? Human behavior simply doesn't work that way.

Did you watch the video of the Range Rover I posted? That's exactly what happened.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Did you watch the video of the Range Rover I posted? That's exactly what happened.

I disagree "that's exactly what happened". It's sort of what happened, but not really. Consider -

The driver, right or wrong, believed it was reasonable to use lethal force. And at that point, the strategy they should use is exactly the same as any other lethal force. In the case of a firearm, for example, you'd shoot until the threat was stopped. Notice that the corpse-count is irrelevant.

Pretty sure that's what JC was referring to. You certainly wouldn't run over a couple of guys and just turn tail on the threat, like was done in that video. If you decided to egress, you'd keep fighting during egress. Every inch of that highway would be covered in gore. That is NOT what happened in that video.

Just sayin.

 

[spat]

I disagree "that's exactly what happened". It's sort of what happened, but not really. Consider -

The driver, right or wrong, believed it was reasonable to use lethal force. And at that point, the strategy they should use is exactly the same as any other lethal force. In the case of a firearm, for example, you'd shoot until the threat was stopped. Notice that the corpse-count is irrelevant.

Pretty sure that's what JC was referring to. You certainly wouldn't run over a couple of guys and just turn tail on the threat, like was done in that video. If you decided to egress, you'd keep fighting during egress. Every inch of that highway would be covered in gore. That is NOT what happened in that video.

Just sayin.

The 2nd wave of bikers did not have to drag their compatriots bodies out of the way to continue the pursuit. So, you are right, that was not what happened.

If they did, I suspect they would not have continued.

 

[Jmac00]

Did you watch the video of the Range Rover I posted? That's exactly what happened.

as far as I can tell, the RR made a couple serious errors. One, when he had a chance, when there were just 6 or 7 bike behind him, Hit the brakes. let them run into you, they were will over 60 mph, they would have never been able to stop or swerve in time to avoid a collision. then take off. Continue this while your on the phone to the police. When a few more get behind you, do it again. Swerve left and right, after awhile, this assholes will realize they won't survive the encounter.

I drove MC for 30 years, no biker can beat a cager, especially if the cager is determined to do you harm. I have had a couple incidents where a cager was "after me" but ( not to brag ) but Im really good on two wheels, well at least I use to be.

It all depends on how WILLING you are to survive this kind of attack, and how WILLING you are to harm another person. Personally, I seriously doubt I will ever be in this situation, but you never know? I don't plan to ever be in this situation, because I'll never be in another the inner city as long as I live, hopefully

 

[Acer-m14]

i tried searching Google for a Navy Seal that is also a Cook .. i got Casey Ryback LOL

when i went in the Navy it was for Optical Man .. works on navigational optics , gun sights .. and up to periscopes

and i also did 2 weeks in the Galley at boot camp cooking and cleaning ..

i can be one or the other or both

 

[Truebeliever]

i tried searching Google for a Navy Seal that is also a Cook .. i got Casey Ryback LOL

when i went in the Navy it was for Optical Man .. works on navigational optics , gun sights .. and up to periscopes

and i also did 2 weeks in the Galley at boot camp cooking and cleaning ..

i can be one or the other or both

I stand corrected

 

[Jsmegs77]

as far as I can tell, the RR made a couple serious errors. One, when he had a chance, when there were just 6 or 7 bike behind him, Hit the brakes. let them run into you, they were will over 60 mph, they would have never been able to stop or swerve in time to avoid a collision. then take off. Continue this while your on the phone to the police. When a few more get behind you, do it again. Swerve left and right, after awhile, this assholes will realize they won't survive the encounter.

I drove MC for 30 years, no biker can beat a cager, especially if the cager is determined to do you harm. I have had a couple incidents where a cager was "after me" but ( not to brag ) but Im really good on two wheels, well at least I use to be.

It all depends on how WILLING you are to survive this kind of attack, and how WILLING you are to harm another person. Personally, I seriously doubt I will ever be in this situation, but you never know? I don't plan to ever be in this situation, because I'll never be in another the inner city as long as I live, hopefully

As a motorcyclist and sometime motorcycle racer (I sucked but had fun), the only strength a motorcycle has in a conflict with a cage is ability to change speed and direction quicker than most, and to pass through smaller spaces… in other words, evasion. That’s it. As an assault platform the motorcycle is laughably poor, unless it’s for guerrilla style run-gun-flee maneuvers.

In even a small car or truck, I would guess that you could incapacitate a large number of such a mob before your vehicle would be rendered unusable. Likely enough to deter the remaining assailants… like most criminals they depend on a certain level of meekness and non confrontational behavior. Absent that moral restraint and faced with their compatriots being run over, I would fully expect most to flee like rats from a bright light.

 

[dwa12479]

I disagree "that's exactly what happened". It's sort of what happened, but not really. Consider -

The driver, right or wrong, believed it was reasonable to use lethal force. And at that point, the strategy they should use is exactly the same as any other lethal force. In the case of a firearm, for example, you'd shoot until the threat was stopped. Notice that the corpse-count is irrelevant.

Pretty sure that's what JC was referring to. You certainly wouldn't run over a couple of guys and just turn tail on the threat, like was done in that video. If you decided to egress, you'd keep fighting during egress. Every inch of that highway would be covered in gore. That is NOT what happened in that video.

Just sayin.

Dude in the RR was fucked no matter what due to the shear numbers he was overwhelmed by. Running over a bunch of them was about his only option, but that wasn't going to make the rest tuck tail and run. It actually made them angrier and more aggressive.

 

[spat]

Dude in the RR was fucked no matter what due to the shear numbers he was overwhelmed by. Running over a bunch of them was about his only option, but that wasn't going to make the rest tuck tail and run. It actually made them angrier and more aggressive.

Then keep running over them.

If the bodies get to high, that's what 4WD is for.

You don't stop until the vehicle is incapacitated.

Back over a few. That'll make them think twice about coming up behind you.

Smear a few against the k-rails, they'll change their mind about the side too.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Then keep running over them.

If the bodies get to high, that's what 4WD is for.

You don't stop until the vehicle is incapacitated.

Back over a few. That'll make them think twice about coming up behind you.

Smear a few against the k-rails, they'll change their mind about the side too.

True story.
No need to drive 90mph to escape, either. 35 or 40 would do fine for the purposes outlined above.

 

[spat]

True story.
No need to drive 90mph to escape, either. 35 or 40 would do fine for the purposes outlined above.

Yep.


Anything faster than they can run is sufficient. Forces them to stay on the bikes limiting their agility.

Then you treat them like what tank drivers call "crunchies".

 

[tirwin1]

Felonies on the New York City Subways Surged Compared to 2021

townhall.com

Congratulations horchul voters!

 

[GTN]

I see these rabid cocksuckers all over the city, they drive right past cops and they do nothing about it. And when a citizen is forced to do something about it you can bet they will crucify you for it.

If you live to go to court

 

[Bigfoot]

1.) Hochul the Horrible often points out that her number one responsibility as the Governor is the safety of NYers.

2.) She also says that she takes that responsibility seriously.


Maybe #1 is true.

But #2 obviously isn't.

The stats prove that.
But she says that she doesn't need stats...

 

[tirwin1]

It just keeps getting better and better:

Next up fighting NYC crime wave? Preventing landlords from doing criminal background checks on prospective tenants

They voted themselves in a couple of gems, these New York City folks did. Between actually electing Kathy Hochul to continue her reign of incoherence and incompetence, coupled with their already in-si...

hotair.com

They really want to drive all "evil, greedy landlords" out of the city.