FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
What a way to set up a camp. Have it set on a trailer and drag it up in the woods with a 1 ton 4x4 where a pad is waiting.Probably a lot of these.
Elon is the company founder.
The governor has called for the government-mandated construction of 800,000 low-cost housing units across New York State.
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spat
.950 JDJ
That's because they're not allowed to build the type of home that they built when housing was affordable.
Hell, they're not even going to allow gas appliances in the next batch.
spat
.950 JDJ
None of the people in charge of this project care.
It's just like the Rochester ferry. As long as they get their kickbacks they don't give a shit if it works or not.
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Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
I disagree, and am as "country folk" as can be. People will talk all they want but nothing is going to happen except they are going to bitch about whats going on over a can of Busch.
40 years ago a large influx of Puerto Ricans began settling in Amsterdam NY. They spread around in the surrounding communities and for the most part assimilated. Now when you look at a graduating high school class its no longer purely Italian, Irish and German names but a significant Hispanic percentage. It use to be unheard of to have a hispanic neighbor in your rural community, now not so much.
Nearby Gloversville however is a slightly different story. Its been a depressed shithole for 50 years, 25 years ago primarily black "businessmen" started moving in to sell their wares. Now its a shithole with a drug problem. They live in a 5 block radius primarly of shithole low income rentals, but are slowly spreading past the city limits. The arrests are daily with lots of resident addresses in brooklyn and the bronx, but in reality nothing ever gets done to remedy the problem and the scourge keep immigrating to the area.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Developers (and the governor reelection campaign) are the only ones that will benefit from this. They will incorporate as a brand new company, identify a suitable property, the state will transfer it to them through eminent domain, and they will make a fortune building shitty 4-40 unit section 8 apartment buildings/complexes, using nothing but state and federal grants and zero interest loans. Most will file for bankruptcy just before, or immediately after the project is completed.
These little welfare communities will pop up in every single town in this state. Every single county and town will happily raise property and school taxes to make up for the added stress on their infrastructure.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I have nothing against low income ... The trouble is the problems the government will ship us. Single family homes .. (one parent ) Limited supervision of children... Increased gangs in the area ... More drug usage. , prostitution among young folks... .. Destruction of an area is the goal.
No upside to this issue. Get ready for " Mini projects " that is what the desire to build. In 20 years mini slums almost unfit because of the lack of pride in that home . . Cars being broken into looking for drug money. Folks assaulted... Drive by shootings in your once quaint neighborhood.
A friend lives off of Jay street in Rochester. Two drug houses moved in at the end of the street. Cops say hands are tied .. Cannot do anything about it. A steady stream of people buying drugs now... This is the America our government wants.
No upside to this issue. Get ready for " Mini projects " that is what the desire to build. In 20 years mini slums almost unfit because of the lack of pride in that home . . Cars being broken into looking for drug money. Folks assaulted... Drive by shootings in your once quaint neighborhood.
A friend lives off of Jay street in Rochester. Two drug houses moved in at the end of the street. Cops say hands are tied .. Cannot do anything about it. A steady stream of people buying drugs now... This is the America our government wants.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
thats whats going to happen to rural subsidized housing. They will get halfway assembled, and BOOM a mysterious fire.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
These "units" will be on the way to most any town or city. If a town refuses, State aid to that Town and/or County would be revoked. Just a ploy learned from the Feds as if a State doesn't dance to the feds tune..all State aid is revoked. We bitch and bitch but do zip.
Phoenix is now officially off my list of potential places. I don't know what the state's politics are now, but with all those assholes from CA moving in you can bet it will turn into California 2.0 in another decade or two. I also wonder how the state's water table can handle all that growth but that's another topic.
My in laws used to live in a rural town outside of Amsterdam NY. We had to go through part of the town to get to their house. For 30 years I watched how that section declined into a poverty ridden hell hole.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
Back in the '90's I worked for the Rochester Housing Authority. The single largest Landlord in Rochester. ALL were for LOW INCOME families. It was during there "Lead abatement program"
Anyone living in a RHA home was moved to a hotel/motel. The home was gutted from top to bottom. ALL plumbing, electrical and HVAC was removed, only the shell remained. The home was rebuilt, re-sided, new EVERYTHING, including new appliances. Then the tenants were moved back in. These "new" homes were trashed within a week...........TRASHED!!!! I went back on a couple because the furnace "stopped working". The new vinyl floor was ripped from the new "Rent-to-own" kitchen table. The thermostat was gone?? in it's place was a nice big hole in the new drywall? fortunately the wires were still connected, and nothing shorted out. I just stuck it to the wall and told them, when the walls fixed I'll come back and properly RE-install the stat. never got a call to go back
The graft and corruption was astounding. If one of the supervisors wanted a new furnace for THEIR rental, I could over bid a job by A LOT, still get the job, and made more than enough to cover my labor for their home or rental. And they ( supervisor ) supplied the furnace. It got so bad I quit working for the RHA. That little voice in the back of my head said "moneys good, BUT at what cost. About 15/18 months after I quit, one supervisor was arrested on corruption. Then, a few years later the director of the RHA was arrested for fraud and corruption, his replacement as arrested a few years after that...... on and on.
The point is, all of these low income homes will be trashed within weeks of the new tenants moving in ~~~WEEKS. If the tenants are not invested in the place, if they didn't help build it, THEY DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about it. someone else will fix it at no cost to them.
At one of these places the furnace went out at OH-dark thirty, it was 10° or 15° out, the Housing authority guy was overwhelmed with calls, and I was one of the back ups? I went on the call at 3am, when I knocked on the door, it opened, and I was berated by the tenant, She started screaming at me ( literally screaming ) "were the fuck you been, my chittlens be freezing, you motherfuckers don't give a fuck about us, get your fucking ass in here and fix my shit". still standing at the door, in the freezing cold, I said, "not until you apologize and stop screaming at me, I got the call 15 minutes ago, and here I am" THAT made everything so much worse. Long-story-short.........I left. I sent them a bill for $89.95 for the service call. They said "I didn't do anything and the tenant is still mad and cold". I told them what happened and to pay the bill or you'll be hearing from my lawyer, and never ever call me again, I don't that crap from anyone, period. they paid, and i never heard from them again
Anyone living in a RHA home was moved to a hotel/motel. The home was gutted from top to bottom. ALL plumbing, electrical and HVAC was removed, only the shell remained. The home was rebuilt, re-sided, new EVERYTHING, including new appliances. Then the tenants were moved back in. These "new" homes were trashed within a week...........TRASHED!!!! I went back on a couple because the furnace "stopped working". The new vinyl floor was ripped from the new "Rent-to-own" kitchen table. The thermostat was gone?? in it's place was a nice big hole in the new drywall? fortunately the wires were still connected, and nothing shorted out. I just stuck it to the wall and told them, when the walls fixed I'll come back and properly RE-install the stat. never got a call to go back
The graft and corruption was astounding. If one of the supervisors wanted a new furnace for THEIR rental, I could over bid a job by A LOT, still get the job, and made more than enough to cover my labor for their home or rental. And they ( supervisor ) supplied the furnace. It got so bad I quit working for the RHA. That little voice in the back of my head said "moneys good, BUT at what cost. About 15/18 months after I quit, one supervisor was arrested on corruption. Then, a few years later the director of the RHA was arrested for fraud and corruption, his replacement as arrested a few years after that...... on and on.
The point is, all of these low income homes will be trashed within weeks of the new tenants moving in ~~~WEEKS. If the tenants are not invested in the place, if they didn't help build it, THEY DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about it. someone else will fix it at no cost to them.
At one of these places the furnace went out at OH-dark thirty, it was 10° or 15° out, the Housing authority guy was overwhelmed with calls, and I was one of the back ups? I went on the call at 3am, when I knocked on the door, it opened, and I was berated by the tenant, She started screaming at me ( literally screaming ) "were the fuck you been, my chittlens be freezing, you motherfuckers don't give a fuck about us, get your fucking ass in here and fix my shit". still standing at the door, in the freezing cold, I said, "not until you apologize and stop screaming at me, I got the call 15 minutes ago, and here I am" THAT made everything so much worse. Long-story-short.........I left. I sent them a bill for $89.95 for the service call. They said "I didn't do anything and the tenant is still mad and cold". I told them what happened and to pay the bill or you'll be hearing from my lawyer, and never ever call me again, I don't that crap from anyone, period. they paid, and i never heard from them again
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
It won't take that long. Both AZ and TX are having the same issue, Californians are moving in, and turning the place into a liberal bastian. The real problem is the same as NY, the big cities are ruling over the entire state, and its pissing people off. And in AZ the voter fraud is so blantant its ridiculous.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
In the long run nowhere is safe.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
There isn't anywhere West of Arkansas that I'd live: Between water shortages, illegal immigration, fuck-tards coming out of California, skyrocketing prices, uber wealthy buying up vast quantities of land in WY, MT, CO, et.al I'll take my chances elsewhere
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
I fear what might be built are mid-rise multiple dwellings constructed of engineered wood products. I've seen them in NYC and Montreal. Some are 7-10 stories high, all wood product construction. I fear these are the making of a tragedy. The mixture of wood pieces bound together with a hydrocarbon based glue produces almost 3x the btu and 500x the amount of petroleum rich smoke when burnt than historic construction practice materials of 2x4's , 2x8's etc.
You can't blame a poor person for wanting a better, safer life. They are pawns of an uncaring misguided elitist state.
I couldn't believe these types of buildings were approved for occupancy in NYC. What NYC has though that many rural and suburban areas do not have is a full time fire department. More than 90% of the fire protection forces in NY State are volunteer departments. In most of NYC the response time from a notification to fire dispatch to first arriving unit is about 2 minutes, it can get a few minutes longer in Staten Island, Riverdale, and eastern Queens. I am amazed at how quickly the first volunteer arrives at the scene of an incident, but I've never seen a dozen volunteer FF's arrive simultaneously ready to go to work in 2 minutes.
You can't blame a poor person for wanting a better, safer life. They are pawns of an uncaring misguided elitist state.
I couldn't believe these types of buildings were approved for occupancy in NYC. What NYC has though that many rural and suburban areas do not have is a full time fire department. More than 90% of the fire protection forces in NY State are volunteer departments. In most of NYC the response time from a notification to fire dispatch to first arriving unit is about 2 minutes, it can get a few minutes longer in Staten Island, Riverdale, and eastern Queens. I am amazed at how quickly the first volunteer arrives at the scene of an incident, but I've never seen a dozen volunteer FF's arrive simultaneously ready to go to work in 2 minutes.
People WILL abuse anything that's "free" and will eventually believe themselves "entitled" to it....when it all implodes (and it will) they will be among the first loaded into Box Cars for relocation to a sanctuary.Back in the '90's I worked for the Rochester Housing Authority. The single largest Landlord in Rochester. ALL were for LOW INCOME families. It was during there "Lead abatement program"
Anyone living in a RHA home was moved to a hotel/motel. The home was gutted from top to bottom. ALL plumbing, electrical and HVAC was removed, only the shell remained. The home was rebuilt, re-sided, new EVERYTHING, including new appliances. Then the tenants were moved back in. These "new" homes were trashed within a week...........TRASHED!!!! I went back on a couple because the furnace "stopped working". The new vinyl floor was ripped from the new "Rent-to-own" kitchen table. The thermostat was gone?? in it's place was a nice big hole in the new drywall? fortunately the wires were still connected, and nothing shorted out. I just stuck it to the wall and told them, when the walls fixed I'll come back and properly RE-install the stat. never got a call to go back
The graft and corruption was astounding. If one of the supervisors wanted a new furnace for THEIR rental, I could over bid a job by A LOT, still get the job, and made more than enough to cover my labor for their home or rental. And they ( supervisor ) supplied the furnace. It got so bad I quit working for the RHA. That little voice in the back of my head said "moneys good, BUT at what cost. About 15/18 months after I quit, one supervisor was arrested on corruption. Then, a few years later the director of the RHA was arrested for fraud and corruption, his replacement as arrested a few years after that...... on and on.
The point is, all of these low income homes will be trashed within weeks of the new tenants moving in ~~~WEEKS. If the tenants are not invested in the place, if they didn't help build it, THEY DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about it. someone else will fix it at no cost to them.
At one of these places the furnace went out at OH-dark thirty, it was 10° or 15° out, the Housing authority guy was overwhelmed with calls, and I was one of the back ups? I went on the call at 3am, when I knocked on the door, it opened, and I was berated by the tenant, She started screaming at me ( literally screaming ) "were the fuck you been, my chittlens be freezing, you motherfuckers don't give a fuck about us, get your fucking ass in here and fix my shit". still standing at the door, in the freezing cold, I said, "not until you apologize and stop screaming at me, I got the call 15 minutes ago, and here I am" THAT made everything so much worse. Long-story-short.........I left. I sent them a bill for $89.95 for the service call. They said "I didn't do anything and the tenant is still mad and cold". I told them what happened and to pay the bill or you'll be hearing from my lawyer, and never ever call me again, I don't that crap from anyone, period. they paid, and i never heard from them again
ManualF150
.308 Win
I just don't want people around me. Once people are building around me closer than I feel comfortable with, I'm just going to move.
There are plenty of other places in the US that would never allow this to happen.
I know of quite a few towns down south (not in NYS) that don't allow too much development. They don't want their landscape ridden with trespassers and junk being built. Some of these places I am referring to have not changed too much in decades, and the older I get, I realize that is for the good.
When I move, I am going to a town that is old school, no Walmarts/Targets/Olive Gardens/etc/etc... I want small mom and pop stores that I am limited to what I can get, but they also know you by first name. I also plan on down sizing into a smaller house, but have a larger plot of land.
To be frank, I'm tired of what I see around me. The amount of farm land that has been converted to housing or commercialization is sickening. I am pissed that these local governments allowed this to happen. But I know why... having a Home Depot/Lowes and a Pizza Hut give them more tax money than it being farm land........
There are plenty of other places in the US that would never allow this to happen.
I know of quite a few towns down south (not in NYS) that don't allow too much development. They don't want their landscape ridden with trespassers and junk being built. Some of these places I am referring to have not changed too much in decades, and the older I get, I realize that is for the good.
When I move, I am going to a town that is old school, no Walmarts/Targets/Olive Gardens/etc/etc... I want small mom and pop stores that I am limited to what I can get, but they also know you by first name. I also plan on down sizing into a smaller house, but have a larger plot of land.
To be frank, I'm tired of what I see around me. The amount of farm land that has been converted to housing or commercialization is sickening. I am pissed that these local governments allowed this to happen. But I know why... having a Home Depot/Lowes and a Pizza Hut give them more tax money than it being farm land........
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
It might be a good idea to have a test run in LA. watch what happens to those things in one year to people that didn't have to pay for it.
Most people take care of their because they sunk their life savings into it . Watch what happens .
Most people take care of their because they sunk their life savings into it . Watch what happens .
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Im sure it will be a covid mandated, gun free community .
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Well I do recall someone saying something along the lines of "They want to put you'll back in chains." I think he got the parties wrong though.
Obama wanted this communist bullshit, but it is like rolling a boulder up a mountain to try this insanity. It is the green commie FDU cat ladies pushing this maddness and gas stove banning......
Feds will not pay for it,as the House Went Republican, and locals will resist mightily, like history has shown, thru zoning regs, despite the whore from hells efforts to kill us.
People live where they do because of choice, includng BLM.....they donot choose to live in isolated weedsport or Hastings, or Williamstown or Pompey as they are far away from everything they value..and protection.
Feds will not pay for it,as the House Went Republican, and locals will resist mightily, like history has shown, thru zoning regs, despite the whore from hells efforts to kill us.
People live where they do because of choice, includng BLM.....they donot choose to live in isolated weedsport or Hastings, or Williamstown or Pompey as they are far away from everything they value..and protection.
Hochul faces an ‘uprising’ over her plan to build new housing in NYC suburbs
The governor is pushing a plan to mandate more housing in the counties she lost in the last election.
Hochul is simply attacking the suburbs where she dare not go into without rotten tomato protection shields.
It there a crazier more insane worthless communist in the country?
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to afford homes, but my concern is: do we want to make this something the government has control over? The more they control, they more they can deny. The more they have a hand in the solution, the more they have a knife to twist.
In fact, it would not at all surprise me if there were regulatory reasons that are making homes unaffordable -- I'm just not going to profess to fully understand all the factors beyond supply and demand that are raising prices.
Maybe the solution is people need to band together and say "We want to pay a developer to build small houses, and we will pool our resources to make it worth building these small houses in this location." It wouldn't be easy, but it also doesn't seem far fetched to pool resources to get what you want and make it worth the trouble for someone.
Just my two cents.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Who builds public housing???
Unions.
This isn't about people in need of affordable housing.
Unions.
This isn't about people in need of affordable housing.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Life .. Liberty ... Pursuit of happiness .. .. no ware does it say it is govt funded 