Democrats for Assault Weapons

[tirwin1]

A report on the Uvalde shooting in TX seems to make the case for outlawing AR-15 rifles. In fact, the exact opposite conclusion is the real lesson in this well written piece:

Democrats for “Assault Weapons”!

An autopsy on police response to the Uvalde shooting makes the strongest 2A case the party of gun grabbing has ever accidentally proffered. And it’s glorious!

jeffgoldstein.substack.com

 

[FP1201]

A report on the Uvalde shooting in TX seems to make the case for outlawing AR-15 rifles. In fact, the exact opposite conclusion is the real lesson in this well written piece:

Democrats for “Assault Weapons”!

An autopsy on police response to the Uvalde shooting makes the strongest 2A case the party of gun grabbing has ever accidentally proffered. And it’s glorious!

jeffgoldstein.substack.com

Sorry, but past bite wounds has made me very suspicious of Democrats and anyone on the Left... Perhaps they have "seen the light" but a Scorpion does what it does because it's their nature.

 

[OwnTheRide]

My heart breaks every time I think of those parents who tried to do the job those fucking cowards refused to do. If you won't go in and handle the situation, at least get the fuck out of the way and let someone else try.

Ugh. I get so infuriated just thinking about that scenario.

 

[meketrefe]

The real question is why schools are not secured perimeters just like airports, courthouses or gov. buildings are?
Maybe our loved ones are not as important as fellow travelers, lawyers and politicians?
To travel by airplane they ont just post a gun free BS sign.
if they are not going to protect our kids then move aside and let those communities and parents come up with the solution.
We need to remove immunity from politicians and officials, that way will not introduce useless and even dangerous laws. Today there is zero personal accountability and responsibility.
It doesnt happen in any other job in society.

 

[OwnTheRide]

The real question is why schools are not secured perimeters just like airports, courthouses or gov. buildings are?

Exactly. There is nothing worth protecting more than our children. That should be #1 priority in policing. Everything else can come after that.

That said, somewhere along the line, someone really messed up with SROs (police in schools). They went from protecting the school to policing the children. It's supposed to be a fort, not a penitentiary.

 

[tirwin1]

Exactly. There is nothing worth protecting more than our children. That should be #1 priority in policing. Everything else can come after that.

That said, somewhere along the line, someone really messed up with SROs (police in schools). They went from protecting the school to policing the children. It's supposed to be a fort, not a penitentiary.

I think the school shooting in florida shows who actually is stationed there. Remember the coward from broward? Precisely because school shootings are a low probability event they are staffed by old timers probably close to retirement who are not going to deter anyone. If you put the swat team at the school, that's great, but after x number of years without a shooting how many of those guys are going to want to stay on school duty?

 

[Acer-m14]

school shooting in florida

the leo there had assault weapons ar15's or more .. bet they had full auto on them .. and did nothing ..

 

[Grimscale]

The real question is why schools are not secured perimeters just like airports, courthouses or gov. buildings are?

Because "I don't want MY kid having to spend a day in a concentration camp!" or "That would make it like a prison!", and many other touchy-feely excuses that all boil down to NIMBY.

The irony is that back when people who broke laws were kept in prison, or those with mental issues were separated from the general population, we didn't need to turn schools into Fort Knox. Kids were even able to bring guns to school without incident.

But now we reap the benefits of unrestrained coddling.

 

[spat]

Because "I don't want MY kid having to spend a day in a concentration camp!" or "That would make it like a prison!", and many other touchy-feely excuses that all boil down to NIMBY.

The irony is that back when people who broke laws were kept in prison, or those with mental issues were separated from the general population, we didn't need to turn schools into Fort Knox. Kids were even able to bring guns to school without incident.

But now we reap the benefits of unrestrained coddling.

Just bring back high school rifle teams.

But go for 3 gun competition not slowfire.

Someone starts shit, let the varsity CQB team loose LOL.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Just bring back high school rifle teams.

But go for 3 gun competition not slowfire.

Someone starts shit, let the varsity CQB team loose LOL.

Just what a parent would like. Their teenager in a gun battle in school. About the same as an untrained prisoner fighting on the front lines. I hope the post was intended as a joke.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

My heart breaks every time I think of those parents who tried to do the job those fucking cowards refused to do. If you won't go in and handle the situation, at least get the fuck out of the way and let someone else try.

Ugh. I get so infuriated just thinking about that scenario.

I had to step back from that thread because I was getting so angry.

For the rest of my life I will remember the live stream videos of the parents having literal gut wrenching screams and cries in the parking lot and the police officers were actually restraining them from going to try and save their own children while they milled around circle jerking in the parking lot with smug looks as they were more worried about viewing the parents with contempt.

As a parent it's going to haunt me.

 

[tirwin1]

I had to step back from that thread because I was getting so angry.

For the rest of my life I will remember the live stream videos of the parents having literal gut wrenching screams and cries in the parking lot and the police officers were actually restraining them from going to try and save their own children while they milled around circle jerking in the parking lot with smug looks as they were more worried about viewing the parents with contempt.

As a parent it's going to haunt me.

It should haunt those officers for the rest of their lives as well.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It should haunt those officers for the rest of their lives as well.

Watching their reactions they seemed just fine. They are soulless cowards who shirked their duties.

 

[OwnTheRide]

I think the school shooting in florida shows who actually is stationed there. Remember the coward from broward? Precisely because school shootings are a low probability event they are staffed by old timers probably close to retirement who are not going to deter anyone. If you put the swat team at the school, that's great, but after x number of years without a shooting how many of those guys are going to want to stay on school duty?

Definitely a fair point. I will posit that one armed old timer is still a lot more of a deterrent than <nothing>, and a lot of these old timers might actually be better for the job due to their seasoning - they might be less likely get all jumpy or excited over small things, and might be good at ensuring the job is done right and correctly each time (seasoned work ethic).

There could be other/additional/complimentary solutions, though. For example, set up patrol routes that ensure the school is externally swept by a patrol car every 10-15 minutes or something. Or house the police substation in the same building as the school (reducing infrastructure costs to boot!). Again, there is NOTHING the cops are doing that is more important than making sure our community's children are safe.

 

[meketrefe]

Because "I don't want MY kid having to spend a day in a concentration camp!" or "That would make it like a prison!", and many other touchy-feely excuses that all boil down to NIMBY.

The irony is that back when people who broke laws were kept in prison, or those with mental issues were separated from the general population, we didn't need to turn schools into Fort Knox. Kids were even able to bring guns to school without incident.

But now we reap the benefits of unrestrained coddling.

In Israel, mexico private schools, South Africa, ans all over.. nobody feels like that. The parents know their kids are safer inside those gates.
Whe. we go into an airport we like to feel safe right?
how is that any different?

 

[FP1201]

Schools are primally run by Democrats and Leftists.
These people often oppose and even hate Cops, especially in their Schools. (until they need them, then Blue Lives Matter)
The Idea that there are genuinely evil, and troubled youths flies in the face of their utopic pipe dreams, and there are those in Education that just don't give a fuck and it's all a facade until they can retire, but it's mostly stupid smart people.
When bad things happen, the first thing these shit-stains do is stand on the bodies of the dead pontificate how the world must change to revolve around them, this of course requires more money and more power to use in controlling everyone else.
Despite the crocodile tears and crying out about how we need to eliminate a certain class of guns, they really don't want to stop shootings because of they did, there would be one less board in their election platform... no, I really do not believe those shouting for solutions really want them, or are willing to accept what it's going to take.

 

[kev74]

In Israel, mexico private schools, South Africa, ans all over.. nobody feels like that. The parents know their kids are safer inside those gates.
Whe. we go into an airport we like to feel safe right?
how is that any different?

I don't feel any safer inside the "secure" part of an airport than I feel outside.

School shootings started ramping up around the same time gun-free zones came into play. Get rid of the gun-free zones and empower school staff to defend themselves and their students, just like they can at home.

Fun fact... My wife is a teacher. She was told several times during training sessions that teachers are under no obligation to protect the students. Plan accordingly.

 

[kev74]

Imagine the hilarity if taxpayers were asked to pay for airport level security at each school building in addition to everything else in the budgets. I don't think parents are ready to have their kids wait outside in the cold and rain on hour long security lines to be x-rayed before school. No problem... Just build new gymnasium sized screening areas in the front of all the school buildings!

 

[Jmac00]

The Uvalde police on scene that day weren’t averse to using their authority. They threatened to arrest and in fact detained several of the parents who wanted to enter that building. So it wasn’t their power that they were willing to surrender. Instead, what they were willing to surrender — and this is the absolute crux of the matter — is the lives of children who were not their own, and whose attempted rescue may have led to their own injuries or death. They valued their own safety over the safety of those who they swore to protect and serve.

This right here, IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER, end of story. The po-po were stacked outside the room, and they were afraid of entering because the bad guy was armed. It matters not, what the perpetrator was armed with. The fact that "trained professionals" were unwilling to do the job they were trained to do, is a remarkable statement.

I wonder how long SEAL TEAM 6 would have stood outside that room, on that fateful day. My guess would be, inside the room 2 seconds after the breaching charge went off

 

[Jmac00]

In today's environment, I would be more afraid of the teachers, than the possibility of another school shooting.

 

[FrankenCub]

Just what a parent would like. Their teenager in a gun battle in school. About the same as an untrained prisoner fighting on the front lines. I hope the post was intended as a joke.

I would sleep better knowing my kid brought the fight to the piece of shit school shooter, doing their best to end it, than hoping police will arrive in time.

 

[OwnTheRide]

There could be other/additional/complimentary solutions, though. For example, set up patrol routes that ensure the school is externally swept by a patrol car every 10-15 minutes or something. Or house the police substation in the same building as the school (reducing infrastructure costs to boot!). Again, there is NOTHING the cops are doing that is more important than making sure our community's children are safe.

By golly, I've got it: open up a donut and coffee shop right next to every school, with free donuts and coffee for on-duty officers. Have it owned and operated by BOCES or something like that. Program would pay for itself several times over, and there'd be a nearly-constant police presence at every school!

 

[RedBreast21]

I expect the spin of this for a while now. As the left wing response to violence is disarm and LE will take care of you.

I've commented on many platforms speaking directly about the police SWAT/Tactical team culture cultivated within departments for well over a two decades. Engaging specifically that 1%'er who will not eat the barrel of a gun when police arrive on scene as a well written FBI report as concluded. The person that knows the difference between cover and concealment and is fully aware that rounds travel through walls, can devastate any entry team before breaching the door. Some of you here know exactly what I mean. Deep down inside I knew what that response would look like and Uvalde proved it. Go into that room and someone on the team is likely taking a round.

The FBI reported correctly, given the limited data, that nearly 100% of the perpetrators go in with intention of committing suicide with slightly over 85% doing so and any remaining wishing they had. But what of that one person that wants the fight? That's where I started down the rabbit hole. If you're a high speed low drag door kicker in one of our finest of branches in our military, you are immersed in the culture and that danger level 24/7. You're not going home to a wife, kids, soccer practice, birthday parties, book reading, bath time, play dates or otherwise normal loving family at the end of your patrol or planned take down, to return later and go back to high risk entry activity against a well armed and determine threat on a daily basis.

I'm talking Uvalde school incident on a daily basis here and not some crack head, drug dealer or some schmuck who missed a court date. Those SWAT events are sought after training opportunities for budget reasons. They screw up enough of them but how else do they get funding, right?

Anyway, that FBI report was responsible for new policy many departments implemented which was to form up a pair of officers or a fire team and immediately make entry in the hopes the shooter take their own life or surrenders. A great example of this was a Florida school shooting where an adjacent towns PD responded (name escapes me) took over for the poor response of the Coral PD. Thereby saving lives.

I'm not going to get into the tactical breakdown of the entire shit show in Uvalde. That entire video pissed me off. But I can understand each one of the nearly 400 officers decision that day. Officers whom were carrying a lot of firepower, armor, that all had hours and hours of training on. "NOT MY KID" went through their minds. That's what it boiled down to. No skin in the real game. When it matter, true colors came out. They had families to go home to that night. A luxury many don't get when you are either deployed or spinning up, as you are immersed in it 24/7 with a job that each member of your team demands your full attention to get though a mission safely. Honestly I cannot expect that of any LEO. It's a job. A job who's goal is to return safely to your family. Should departments have real responses to this stuff, yes. But I'm with a "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" type of person. Deparments can easly assign officers to schools. Many do in low income high crime areas. The wealthier distrctis can well afford more officers.

So what's the long term answer? No single solution. We can start with removing schools as gun free zones. Promote a policy much like the air marshal service for domestic flights in schools. In the interim have retired LEO willing to work or volunteer. Either out in the open or behind the scenes but everyone in the school and parents made aware. These shooters know they have 3 to 5 minutes before the police show up. The idea that their plan can come to an end in seconds isn't as appealing. See the FBI report for details. Teachers willing to train and carry is also an option. After hearing that the New town Conn school principal rushed the well armed gunman with nothing in her hands, I don't doubt for one second a teachers commitment to the safety of students. She showed more balls than that Uvalde air soft team or anyone else for that matter.

Final thought. We need to go back to promoting a culture of strong individual moral values. Yeah it will take a generation or tow just like it has to destroy it.

 

[spat]

Just what a parent would like. Their teenager in a gun battle in school. About the same as an untrained prisoner fighting on the front lines. I hope the post was intended as a joke.

If my kid was getting shot at, I would certainly hope they could return fire.

No parent wants their kid in that situation, but preventing them from defending themselves certainly doesn't keep them safe.

The post was meant as a joke, but not as much as you imply. You wouldn't send the kids in obviously, but if they're already in a firefight, better to be an active participant than a passive victim.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Just what a parent would like. Their teenager in a gun battle in school. About the same as an untrained prisoner fighting on the front lines. I hope the post was intended as a joke.

Think about wtf you just said. You prefer a state enforced suicide, and it's disgusting.

 

[Acer-m14]

Run Hide Fight is a great movie

 

[holdover]

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Think about wtf you just said. You prefer a state enforced suicide, and it's disgusting.

It's not State enforced suicide..it's suicide for a High School rifle team to get into a combative situation.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

If my kid was getting shot at, I would certainly hope they could return fire.

No parent wants their kid in that situation, but preventing them from defending themselves certainly doesn't keep them safe.

The post was meant as a joke, but not as much as you imply. You wouldn't send the kids in obviously, but if they're already in a firefight, better to be an active participant than a passive victim.

This is not accurate. I interpret getting the high school rifle team involves means thay would assemble and track a "shhoter" and engage. Hell, even Professional law officer's with training declined that situation as proven in Fla.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I would sleep better knowing my kid brought the fight to the piece of shit school shooter, doing their best to end it, than hoping police will arrive in time.

Put Yourself in their shoes..High School children are not qualified to search and engage plus how the hell would they get any weapons while in school? They would be under proper storage at that time. OR..they get a call at the range to come back to school and engage the shooter?
Think.