Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
We had a decades long cold war. We already have a year's long cold collapse of society, it would just happen further in the dark.
Robin
Robin
How Long Would Society Last During a Total Grid Collapse?
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Shh, keep that to yourself.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
You don't need to lose anything as critical and simple as water.
We'll see a collapse of civilization within a few days of credit card stopping processing.
Literally the entire economy is built on the ability to digitally process transactions.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Now imagine that for the people who live in major cities.
The sort of people who would starve without grub hub.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
By day 2 folks in the high rises will be flushing their toilets and septic will not be working.. Just hope you are on the top floor..
That's actually a really good point I haven't thought much about.
Northern rural areas are used to losing power in winter and collectively helping each other out. That mentality is engrained as a cultural norm behavior.
I hadn't considered that but if you are in a Northern rural/ small town area with plenty of woods and resources and a good wood fired stove you might actually fare better than I initially thought. I think people would behave better longer in that environment. And if it's in winter and people are freezing without heat odds are they're not going out to cause trouble.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
NYC code high rise building has water tank on top of building. Refilled as used for domestic purposes by small pump. After tank drained for domestic purposes about 20% remains for firefighting through standpipe and sprinkler.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not just big cities Spat. I cannot believe the number of eateries, all with take out of course, springing up in all the small towns around here. My wife says no one cooks anymore. I'm glad she still makes wonderful home cooked meals. Heck, we don't have a hardware store, or a dry cleaner anymore, but yep, a couple new Deli' are opening soon. Sheesh!
Robin
tc556guy
.40 S&W
Yeah I realize that anyone with a well will have a much easier go at it. I have a well myself, and a high enough water table that water will never be a problem for me. That tin can suggestion will take a long time to get any amount of water. I recall seeing one way to collect water from a well casing. Rather than using a tin can it was a long metal pail that fit inside a standard well casing that ( as I recall ) would collect a gallon or so at a time. Much better than using a #10 coffee can, I would think.Many people that have wells can survive. If one has a drilled well take the cover off and drop say a tin can on a string or rope and bail it out. . We have a septic tank that does not need electric to operate as in a raised bed .... I also have access to 5 ponds within 1000 ft of my home. Not all on our land. I am sure neighbors would allow a few buckets /day to flush a toilet. There are also 2 dug wells that sit in the middle of nowhere ... Rocked shut. Why they are there . I have no idea. .
I realize not everyone uses a well for water. But I am sure there are thousands of wells in ones area that do. .. Travel to Africa or India and thousands of people live off one or two community wells ...
Water has always been a struggle for survival around the world, as the rest of your post points out. We forget how easy we have it
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Yeah I agree with this. Each community demise depends on the people in the community.
livingston
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livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
One of my points is that few people would be prepared for this event. A tin can would be the only way of drawing water .. Many people would not even think to open their well to get water. Hell I have friends that do not even own a wrench ... So unprepared some folks
ManualF150
.308 Win
Around my neck of the woods, a lot of folks have wells, but have no clue (or minimal clue) on how it all works.
I took the time to learn how it all works and by investing in the tools.
My whole well (except for it being dug) has been fully redone by myself. I installed a new submersible well pump along with the entire pressure tank assembly a few weeks ago. And I made it better though thoughtful engineering.
I would be someone that lots of folks would count on locally if they needed water.
That's a great point. People will remain reasonably calm if they believe the authorities are working to restore things back to normal. Once there is a sense things aren't going back to normal then anarchy will be almost immediate. Hell there is effectively anarchy in certain sections of most cities right now.
Acer-m14
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my friends home has a fresh water spring that runs and runs and runs and runs and runs .......
and it fills a cement box in the ground
then a pump , pumps it to the house ..
every now and then he has to jump into the cold water box and scoop out the sediment that builds up
and messes with the pump ..
and it fills a cement box in the ground
then a pump , pumps it to the house ..
every now and then he has to jump into the cold water box and scoop out the sediment that builds up
and messes with the pump ..
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The real trigger for a mindset change is whether it appears that rule of law will be returning.
People who think the disaster will end and they could be prosecuted for their crimes will behave very differently to people who think there are no consequences.
That's it.
Realize things are "not going to return to normal" and that's when the monsters in society who only fear legal repercussions begin to do as they please.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Pretty much what we are seeing around the country right now, especially big cities.
Robin
"Man is only good in fear of social reprisal."
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
The new world order wants all of us to live in the cities .... Mega cities is the new buzz word. .. How would that come about ... One cuts all water ,sewage,electric .. Law enforcement no longer responds .. To the rural areas... No schools, Hospitals ,
You have a selected collapse to control the population.
You have a selected collapse to control the population.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Stories of Texans who lived through 2021’s historic winter storm
JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
I could live like that in my rural area the less neighbors the better.
Cavalry
.308 Win
I do not understand how this (or the tin can) would work in a drilled well? I have had a owned a few drilled wells and pulled at least 6 others. Every well I have seen has torque arrestors and pipe standoffs to center the pipe in the casing probably every 20-30'. Unless you have a very high static water level you will hit an obstruction before you can dip water out. If you can get past you run the risk of getting it hung up when pulling it out.
I have a "simple pump" on my well, there was no way for me to get the small casing down, I had to pull my pump to install the secondary casing.
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livingston
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livingston
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Cavalry
.308 Win
Right, I understand the concept of bailing. What I am saying is every drilled well I have encountered has the centering devices I posted about every 25' of the length of the pipe. Unless your static water height is above the centering devices there is no way to get a bail through them. The well at my house varies at least 30' static, sometimes its above the first centering device, sometimes lower.
When I first bought my house I dropped a minimag light on a string down to see where my static was. I almost didn't get it back out, that how much little clearance there is around them.
In this area the centering is standard, maybe in some areas its not? I have no clue why one would not want them, they save a lot of wear and tear on your pipe and wires slamming around on the casing.
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livingston
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On one of my wells we had to pull to install a new check valve I believe. We did not have a centering device . Well was drilled around mid 6o's . ... I believe 70 ft depth ... I understand things could be done differently. today. One of the wells on our property has a static water level around 20 ft from the top of well. ... Almost 250 depth .
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
I think the more remote you live
If you have a sense of being responsible for your own safety and security.
Have a family or mutually supporting friends
Own and know how to use and care for firearms. (Old timer told me years ago a .22 will feed you more often than a 30-30)
Have year round access to potable water, and if not immediately potable can be made so
The more you are used to storms affecting your life.
Have some food stored away.
The more you have some land to garden.
If you hunt, fish, camp, hike, bicycle, swim.
If you were in good physical condition at least once in your life
If you are not on any life sustaining medications.
Then I think you should be OK
There is no easy way off Long Island, but then again it can be made that there is no easy way onto Long Island.
Same for areas westofthehudson.
Don't get anxious. Get prepared. Besides, none of us are getting out of this alive. I'm not just going to rollover though.
If you have a sense of being responsible for your own safety and security.
Have a family or mutually supporting friends
Own and know how to use and care for firearms. (Old timer told me years ago a .22 will feed you more often than a 30-30)
Have year round access to potable water, and if not immediately potable can be made so
The more you are used to storms affecting your life.
Have some food stored away.
The more you have some land to garden.
If you hunt, fish, camp, hike, bicycle, swim.
If you were in good physical condition at least once in your life
If you are not on any life sustaining medications.
Then I think you should be OK
There is no easy way off Long Island, but then again it can be made that there is no easy way onto Long Island.
Same for areas westofthehudson.
Don't get anxious. Get prepared. Besides, none of us are getting out of this alive. I'm not just going to rollover though.
It is a wonder that our ancestors survived.
There will many that would die off very quickly if a real, World wide SHTF were to occur. There would be many that will thrive in a full SHFT.
No just about food, water, warmth and shelter. There are many that will not survive due to their lack of deep survival instincts.
I am not talking about the basics of the food and water, the instinct to really survive. The aloneness, the ability to put self and family first. Many will say that they will be able to do what needs to be done, the truth is, most civilized people will not have what it takes deep down.
You have a well, as you willing to do needed and necessary to protect that well? So many will say yes, they will be willing to anything to protect it. Put down a child trying to steal the water? A nice family that is passing through looking for a quick drink? Are you going to share the water? If so, as the people leave, they will tell others where they can get fresh water. How many people will you give water to before you say no and put a serious stop to the visitors?
So many people can do nothing, they have no skills, no trades, no survival instinct. They have some canned goods and a few bags of seeds. They think they will be just fine. They will fail.
There will many that would die off very quickly if a real, World wide SHTF were to occur. There would be many that will thrive in a full SHFT.
No just about food, water, warmth and shelter. There are many that will not survive due to their lack of deep survival instincts.
I am not talking about the basics of the food and water, the instinct to really survive. The aloneness, the ability to put self and family first. Many will say that they will be able to do what needs to be done, the truth is, most civilized people will not have what it takes deep down.
You have a well, as you willing to do needed and necessary to protect that well? So many will say yes, they will be willing to anything to protect it. Put down a child trying to steal the water? A nice family that is passing through looking for a quick drink? Are you going to share the water? If so, as the people leave, they will tell others where they can get fresh water. How many people will you give water to before you say no and put a serious stop to the visitors?
So many people can do nothing, they have no skills, no trades, no survival instinct. They have some canned goods and a few bags of seeds. They think they will be just fine. They will fail.