Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Bigfoot]

I reported this very thing right from September 15 that LEO were being delayed/denied more so than Joe Schmoe.
While I haven't found proof, it would seem that those making the "Checks" ARE THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS, and NOT Uniformed NYSP, or Clerical Staff.
If you ain't got it, or can't make it right now, you're fucked.

If law enforcement personnel is getting denied or even delayed with the background checks what can the average law-abiding Joe Schmoe expect to happen?

I'm just saying... This is all so screwed up.
And it's screwed up on purpose IMO.

 

[Bigfoot]

For whatever reason the progressive Democrats are hell-bent on disarming We The People.

Never give up your guns, so you will never get on the train.

The enemy has taken their masks off. You know who they are at this point. Fuck them.

 

[Robin]

This whole state government is flawed!
Robin

 

[livingston]

They will not take your guns but they can deny your ammo purchase.

 

[FP1201]

For whatever reason the progressive Democrats are hell-bent on disarming We The People.

Never give up your guns, so you will never get on the train.

The enemy has taken their masks off. You know who they are at this point. Fuck them.

There is also the specter of Identity theft with the end solution of "Digital Currency" replacing the Dollar due to the rampant and uncontrollable loss of Security for Personal Identifiable Information...makes real sense: "We can't mitigate electronic identity theft, so we're going to convert to an all digital system of currency to help you." (well really the Banks and Credit Card Companies)
If I can come up with it, you'd better believe there are smarter motherfuckers than me with bad intent that already have.

 

[FP1201]

If law enforcement personnel is getting denied or even delayed with the background checks what can the average law-abiding Joe Schmoe expect to happen?

I'm just saying... This is all so screwed up.
And it's screwed up on purpose IMO.

I'm hoping @CaliberPlus will chime in: There are lots of people coming in to buy ammo that's on the shelf, but few leave with it...It's easier and shorter to register a vehicle at DMV than buy a box of shells.

 

[ManualF150]

I'm hoping @CaliberPlus will chime in: There are lots of people coming in to buy ammo that's on the shelf, but few leave with it...It's easier and shorter to register a vehicle at DMV than buy a box of shells.

You mean it's easier to register a 6,000+ lb weapon than it is to take home a box of shells.

 

[FP1201]

You mean it's easier to register a 6,000+ lb weapon than it is to take home a box of shells.

Pretty much...DMV doesn't demand your SSN#, IS on-line, and WILL give you an answer right then and there...yea, DMV is easier.

 

[FP1201]

If law enforcement personnel is getting denied or even delayed with the background checks what can the average law-abiding Joe Schmoe expect to happen?

I'm just saying... This is all so screwed up.
And it's screwed up on purpose IMO.

All the numbers are subjective, and oft speculative, however the reports of LEO's being severely delayed are prevalent, and those "delayed" far and away outnumber the "proceeds" given on the spot...Must be they're checking your Social Credit Score before giving the go ahead.
Personally, I absolutely REFUSE to undergo the Ammunition Check, although I did submit to one for a new Semi-automatic Rimfire Rifle...took over 24 hours for that one to come back even with Unique Personal Identification Number (UPIN)

 

[byron]

“It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.” Sec. 7(a)(1).

Disclosure of Social Security Numbers

www.justice.gov

this is why most forms that ask for SSN say optional they cannot require it by federal law

 

[S&W Fan]

I know that this is exactly what the nys gastapo wants but … Fuck ny and it’s jack booted thug governor. I will NOT submit to a background check to purchase ammo. I have what I need and when that gets low I’ll just roll more of my own or go to a free state to buy what I currently don’t reload. I wholeheartedly sympathize with the shop owners that will be hurt by this edict but I will never willing comply with an unconstitutional law.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I'm hoping @CaliberPlus will chime in: There are lots of people coming in to buy ammo that's on the shelf, but few leave with it...It's easier and shorter to register a vehicle at DMV than buy a box of shells.

I have said so much I figured guys were getting tired of me.

It is beyond asinine. More ammo checks get delayed than pass. I think a good estimate of time to sell ammo is about ten minutes. I do not think the big box stores are going to keep selling. I get a knot in my stomach every time I do one, the amount of information being sent is disturbing. I am contributing to an illegal database. EVERY check is contributing. Not sure how long I can do that.

 

[CaliberPlus]

“It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.” Sec. 7(a)(1).

Disclosure of Social Security Numbers

www.justice.gov

this is why most forms that ask for SSN say optional they cannot require it by federal law

Yet I cannot submit a check, gun or ammo, without a Soc Sec number. I hate facilitating an illegal activity.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

This shit started decades ago. I remember when the Privacy Act passed around 1974, and we were told we did not have to divulge our SSN because of it. Of course, when I was in the Navy, come payday, they told us we WERE NOT REQUIRED to disclose our SSN, HOWEVER, they wouldn’t pay us IF we DID NOT disclose it..

Absolute government bullshit at its’ finest.

 

[byron]

Yet I cannot submit a check, gun or ammo, without a Soc Sec number. I hate facilitating an illegal activity.

16. Social Security Number (optional, but will help prevent misidentification)

this is from the form Optional

 

[Vinson57]

A giant registration list - your name and address - All the gun types you own because the caliber you chose to buy.

 

[thisIslandEarth]

Rome remained free for four hundred years and Sparta eight hundred, although their citizens were armed all that time; but many other states that have been disarmed have lost their liberties in less than forty years.

Niccolo Machiavelli

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I just had a good friend tell me he bought a new cva Wolf muzzleloader with no background check a few weeks ago. I wont name the hardware store. I thought muzzleloaders were no longer exempt from gun laws here in NY?
Then a few days later he stops at Runnings to buy the " bullets / sabots and is told he must do a background check for those! And he was denied!!

Can't count the number of gang related drive-bys with muzzle loaders. It's become an epidemic.

 

[Beerman]

Can't count the number of gang related drive-bys with muzzle loaders. It's become an epidemic.

Black Powder Matters.

 

[Shadow rider]

Because of Unsafe Act and what I saw coming, I should be ok if y'all know what I mean! And besides, there are 49 (or is it 52) other states.
Never again to buy a round in NY! Sorry LGS's!

 

[FP1201]

“It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.” Sec. 7(a)(1).

Disclosure of Social Security Numbers

www.justice.gov

this is why most forms that ask for SSN say optional they cannot require it by federal law

(per NY) "Who gives fucks about Federal Law, this is New York and we do what we want, how we want."
The Form the Dealer has to fill out REQUIRES (unless something changed since I saw it) via a drop-down box and you cannot proceed without it.
Somebody please tell me I'm wrong.

 

[ManualF150]

Sheriff Stymied In Ammo Purchase After New Law Kicks In

 

[CaliberPlus]

16. Social Security Number (optional, but will help prevent misidentification)

this is from the form Optional

Sorry, WRONG!!! NYS requires it. I have done just a few of these. Need for ammo too, as I stated.

 

[FP1201]

I have said so much I figured guys were getting tired of me.

It is beyond asinine. More ammo checks get delayed than pass. I think a good estimate of time to sell ammo is about ten minutes. I do not think the big box stores are going to keep selling. I get a knot in my stomach every time I do one, the amount of information being sent is disturbing. I am contributing to an illegal database. EVERY check is contributing. Not sure how long I can do that.

We never tire as what you Post is FACTUAL and from the position of someone actually facilitating both Ammunition sales and Gun Transfers.

I get it...when I worked for Uncle Sam, there was a LOT that I detested and couldn't understand the rational.

 

[CaliberPlus]

(per NY) "Who gives fucks about Federal Law, this is New York and we do what we want, how we want."
The Form the Dealer has to fill out REQUIRES (unless something changed since I saw it) via a drop-down box and you cannot proceed without it.
Somebody please tell me I'm wrong.

Somebody can tell you that you are wrong but it doesn't mean they are right .

 

[Acer-m14]

No infringement here.

Sheriff Stymied In Ammo Purchase After New Law Kicks In

New regulations that require state-conducted background checks for gun and ammunition buyers in New York state recently left one area resident in the lurch. The individual? Chautauqua County Sheriff James Quattrone. “On Sept. 22, I attempted to purchase two boxes of shotgun shells at a local...

www.post-journal.com

so when is the Sheriff filing a law suit for the witches unconstitutional LAW and Civil Rights Violation

hay Sheriff go here and scroll down to number 4 in the list ..

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

www.nysenate.gov

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

so when is the Sheriff filing a law suit for the witches unconstitutional LAW and Civil Rights Violation

hay Sheriff go here and scroll down to number 4 in the list ..

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

www.nysenate.gov

Lawsuits are worthless.

ARREST THEM FOR COERCION 3rd.

135.60

A person is guilty of coercion in the third degree when he or she compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to abstain from engaging in conduct in which he or she has a legal right to engage, or compels or induces a person to join a group, organization or criminal enterprise which such latter person has a right to abstain from joining, by means of instilling in him or her a fear that, if the demand is not complied with, the actor or another will:

1. Cause physical injury to a person;  or
2. Cause damage to property;  or
3. Engage in other conduct constituting a crime;  or
4. Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be instituted against him or her;  or
5. Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt or ridicule;  or
6. Cause a strike, boycott or other collective labor group action injurious to some person's business;  except that such a threat shall not be deemed coercive when the act or omission compelled is for the benefit of the group in whose interest the actor purports to act;  or
7. Testify or provide information or withhold testimony or information with respect to another's legal claim or defense;  or
8. Use or abuse his or her position as a public servant by performing some act within or related to his or her official duties, or by failing or refusing to perform an official duty, in such manner as to affect some person adversely;  or
9. Perform any other act which would not in itself materially benefit the actor but which is calculated to harm another person materially with respect to his or her health, safety, business, calling, career, financial condition, reputation or personal relationships.

 

[Acer-m14]

Lawsuits are worthless.

ARREST THEM FOR COERCION 3rd.

135.60

A person is guilty of coercion in the third degree when he or she compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to abstain from engaging in conduct in which he or she has a legal right to engage, or compels or induces a person to join a group, organization or criminal enterprise which such latter person has a right to abstain from joining, by means of instilling in him or her a fear that, if the demand is not complied with, the actor or another will:

1. Cause physical injury to a person;  or
2. Cause damage to property;  or
3. Engage in other conduct constituting a crime;  or
4. Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be instituted against him or her;  or
5. Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt or ridicule;  or
6. Cause a strike, boycott or other collective labor group action injurious to some person's business;  except that such a threat shall not be deemed coercive when the act or omission compelled is for the benefit of the group in whose interest the actor purports to act;  or
7. Testify or provide information or withhold testimony or information with respect to another's legal claim or defense;  or
8. Use or abuse his or her position as a public servant by performing some act within or related to his or her official duties, or by failing or refusing to perform an official duty, in such manner as to affect some person adversely;  or
9. Perform any other act which would not in itself materially benefit the actor but which is calculated to harm another person materially with respect to his or her health, safety, business, calling, career, financial condition, reputation or personal relationships.

if only they read the law books and held there oath

 

[togmaster]

Lawsuits are worthless.

ARREST THEM FOR COERCION 3rd.

135.60

A person is guilty of coercion in the third degree when he or she compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to abstain from engaging in conduct in which he or she has a legal right to engage, or compels or induces a person to join a group, organization or criminal enterprise which such latter person has a right to abstain from joining, by means of instilling in him or her a fear that, if the demand is not complied with, the actor or another will:

1. Cause physical injury to a person;  or
2. Cause damage to property;  or
3. Engage in other conduct constituting a crime;  or
4. Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be instituted against him or her;  or
5. Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt or ridicule;  or
6. Cause a strike, boycott or other collective labor group action injurious to some person's business;  except that such a threat shall not be deemed coercive when the act or omission compelled is for the benefit of the group in whose interest the actor purports to act;  or
7. Testify or provide information or withhold testimony or information with respect to another's legal claim or defense;  or
8. Use or abuse his or her position as a public servant by performing some act within or related to his or her official duties, or by failing or refusing to perform an official duty, in such manner as to affect some person adversely;  or
9. Perform any other act which would not in itself materially benefit the actor but which is calculated to harm another person materially with respect to his or her health, safety, business, calling, career, financial condition, reputation or personal relationships.

Proof the system is broken when there is a certain class of people laws don't apply to. There are other comments I would like to share but not on a monitored forum.

 

[Bigfoot]

Proof the system is broken when there is a certain class of people laws don't apply to. There are other comments I would like to share but not on a monitored forum.