Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Hochulsucks1234]

Most likely he got a very stupid salesperson.

Well if their policy has changed since to now do background checks for reloading components, well no more Runnings for me. Obviously it would be a store policy, which makes no sense because the check has no options for reloading stuff.

 

[Cavalry]

Funny you mention this. Friend of mine who deals a lot with Amish has been getting them ammo from PA. Makes a little on the side.

Yep. A former employee is now partially retired and drives them around. He said its an entire secondary business running ammo for them.

 

[Vinson57]

Their bullshit system should of been declared perfectly operational that a denial results in the police showing up and arresting you. Then they confiscate all your guns. Why have the system at all? Since you ID'ed yourself to the system, they just find you later.

 

[ManualF150]

Their bullshit system should of been declared perfectly operational that a denial results in the police showing up and arresting you. Then they confiscate all your guns. Why have the system at all? Since you ID'ed yourself to the system, they just find you later.

That's a great point!

Guilty until proven innocent! Isn't that how our laws work?

It's be like oops, my bad... but you still don't get your guns back.

 

[Vinson57]

That's a great point!

Guilty until proven innocent! Isn't that how our laws work?

It's be like oops, my bad... but you still don't get your guns back.

Being denied means your guilty. They need it the same as lying on a 4473. All they showing now they are a bunch of amateurs refining their bullshit work on us as they go.

Someone has a status sheet of the delays and denials and the cheese dick is probable to trying to fix that but its just to get a raise or promotion.

I been watching cop video where they can tell by the license plate a person dos not have insurance and they drag them out and handcuff them. Its great. The losers cry, complain and resist.

If they going to have the system it needs to be right and work and we get some results.

 

[Acer-m14]

Yep. A former employee is now partially retired and drives them around. He said its an entire secondary business running ammo for them.

what i was getting at with a AMISH FFL .. they need to start up one .. have there own .. .. no electric .... no internet ..

they cant do NYS BS backgrounds checks ..

there rights are infringed on .. cant be a FFL

 

[STS556]

I dont recall this being mentioned but what about Indian Reservations? Can they sell ammo here in NY without background checks?

 

[Cavalry]

I dont recall this being mentioned but what about Indian Reservations? Can they sell ammo here in NY without background checks?

Indian reservations may be geographically located within the borders of NY but they do not follow the laws of NY. They only need to follow federal and tribal laws. There are states where federal law makes tribal follow state law but I do not believe NY is one of them

 

[That_FNG]

I dont recall this being mentioned but what about Indian Reservations? Can they sell ammo here in NY without background checks?

Indian reservations here in nys only have to follow federal law. They absolutely could open an ammo store and sell ammo on the shelf that customers can touch and buy without a background check. They could also sell standard capacity magazines that are for possession only on tribal lands. Why they don’t is beyond me as they would take in the money on ammo sales while simultaneously giving nys the finger. Maybe someone here who is a tribal member knows more.

 

[Willyone]

Indian reservations here in nys only have to follow federal law. They absolutely could open an ammo store and sell ammo on the shelf that customers can touch and buy without a background check. They could also sell standard capacity magazines that are for possession only on tribal lands. Why they don’t is beyond me as they would take in the money on ammo sales while simultaneously giving nys the finger. Maybe someone here who is a tribal member knows more.

That would be great, and the nation/s here in NY would have a good source of income. But if they can, if there are no laws to stop them from selling ammo, I expect Hochul would try to buy them off, pay them NOT to sell ammo. If the nations agreed to that, that would be a win win for Hochul. She'd be using our own tax (ammo) money to prevent us from buying ammo w/o the BG check.

 

[S&W Fan]

Indian reservations here in nys only have to follow federal law. They absolutely could open an ammo store and sell ammo on the shelf that customers can touch and buy without a background check. They could also sell standard capacity magazines that are for possession only on tribal lands. Why they don’t is beyond me as they would take in the money on ammo sales while simultaneously giving nys the finger. Maybe someone here who is a tribal member knows more.

That would be great, and the nation/s here in NY would have a good source of income. But if they can, if there are no laws to stop them from selling ammo, I expect Hochul would try to buy them off, pay them NOT to sell ammo. If the nations agreed to that, that would be a win win for Hochul. She'd be using our own tax (ammo) money to prevent us from buying ammo w/o the BG check.

They are too busy giving NY the middle finger right no by selling pot in every other smoke shop.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

"Turningstone Casino and Ammo Emporium"

Would do, lol.

 

[Bigfoot]

Indian reservations here in nys only have to follow federal law. They absolutely could open an ammo store and sell ammo on the shelf that customers can touch and buy without a background check. They could also sell standard capacity magazines that are for possession only on tribal lands. Why they don’t is beyond me as they would take in the money on ammo sales while simultaneously giving nys the finger. Maybe someone here who is a tribal member knows more.

I'm not a Native American or in my terms an Indian. So take this for what it is worth. I have lived next to the reservation for 34 years and am familiar with the people that live there. I have some friends who live on the reservation. The best answer that I can give is that the people on the reservation have a good thing going with the smoke shops, fuel stations, and now the weed dispensaries.

IMO they do not want to bring the heat from the New York State Government down onto them by pushing their luck so to speak by selling ammo and such. The tribal leaders do not want to give New York State a reason valid or not to bring tyranny down upon them. They're making money hand over fist as it is.

An example of bringing unwanted attention to themselves is when some of the smoke shops were selling bath salts. That gave Cuomo an opening (in his mind anyway) to go after them, and he did. And he tried to take away the one good thing that they had going for them at the time. Which was their very profitable smoke shops. It's a little bit more complex than that but that's the gist of it.





Up until the late 1980s before the smoke shops really took off, the people on the Tonawanda Reservation lived in absolute poverty. Many homes/old mobile homes/shacks on the reservation had no electricity or running water and so on.

Nowadays the reservation is thriving with nice homes and good roads. I don't think that they want to open up the Pandora's box of selling ammo and then giving Hochul a reason to start shit with them. They don't need to, they are doing very good for themselves as it is.

On a side note. The reservation has become a big source of employment in this rural to semi-rural area, for Indians and non-Indians alike. I just thought I'd mention it.

 

[Acer-m14]

Indian reservations here in nys only have to follow federal law. They absolutely could open an ammo store and sell ammo on the shelf that customers can touch and buy without a background check. They could also sell standard capacity magazines that are for possession only on tribal lands. Why they don’t is beyond me as they would take in the money on ammo sales while simultaneously giving nys the finger. Maybe someone here who is a tribal member knows more.

That would be great, and the nation/s here in NY would have a good source of income. But if they can, if there are no laws to stop them from selling ammo, I expect Hochul would try to buy them off, pay them NOT to sell ammo. If the nations agreed to that, that would be a win win for Hochul. She'd be using our own tax (ammo) money to prevent us from buying ammo w/o the BG check.

NYS shuts down Indian gambling casinos maybe


NYS has nothing over the AMISH that know of ....

 

[Deplorable Me]

No infringement here.

Sheriff Stymied In Ammo Purchase After New Law Kicks In

New regulations that require state-conducted background checks for gun and ammunition buyers in New York state recently left one area resident in the lurch. The individual? Chautauqua County Sheriff James Quattrone. “On Sept. 22, I attempted to purchase two boxes of shotgun shells at a local...

www.post-journal.com

 

[Varmint]

He should have asked for donations for his fundraiser

 

[Bigfoot]

No infringement here.

Sheriff Stymied In Ammo Purchase After New Law Kicks In

New regulations that require state-conducted background checks for gun and ammunition buyers in New York state recently left one area resident in the lurch. The individual? Chautauqua County Sheriff James Quattrone. “On Sept. 22, I attempted to purchase two boxes of shotgun shells at a local...

www.post-journal.com

Ho Lee Fuk!

If that isn't some shit.

A fucking New York State Sheriff delayed for 25 hours.

Damn, that's really bad, just stop and think about that for a second.

 

[Bigfoot]

Ray Charles's butt hairs could see this coming.

If you don't have an ammo fort by now you haven't been paying attention.

 

[That_FNG]

Ho Lee Fuk!

If that isn't some shit.

A fucking New York State Sheriff delayed for 25 hours.

Damn, that's really fucking bad, just stop and think about that for a second.

Not really. Sheriffs haven’t sworn loyalty to the governor like state troopers have. Sheriffs are responsible to the constitution and voters

 

[That_FNG]

Ho Lee Fuk!

If that isn't some shit.

A fucking New York State Sheriff delayed for 25 hours.

Damn, that's really fucking bad, just stop and think about that for a second.

Not really. Sheriffs haven’t sworn loyalty to the governor like state troopers have. Sheriffs are responsible to the constitution and voters

 

[Bigfoot]

Don't give up your personal information guys. You don't have to.

There are other options.

 

[Bigfoot]

Not really. Sheriffs haven’t sworn loyalty to the governor like state troopers have. Sheriffs are responsible to the constitution and voters

Yeah, I know that dude. But still, a sheriff is law enforcement nonetheless. Am I right?

I don't give a fuck if it's village police, town police, city police, county police, or state police.
If a person is employed by any one of those agencies and can't immediately pass an ammo background check there are some serious flaws within the system... Duh.

Holy crap this isn't frickin rocket science. There's no need to overthink it.

 

[FP1201]

Yeah, I know that dude. But still, a sheriff is law enforcement nonetheless. Am I right?

I don't give a fuck if it's village police, town police, city police, county police, or state police.
If a person is employed by any one of those agencies and can't immediately pass an ammo background check there are some serious flaws within the system... Duh.

Holy crap this isn't frickin rocket science. There's no need to overthink it.

I reported this very thing right from September 15 that LEO were being delayed/denied more so than Joe Schmoe.
While I haven't found proof, it would seem that those making the "Checks" ARE THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS, and NOT Uniformed NYSP, or Clerical Staff.
If you ain't got it, or can't make it right now, you're fucked.

 

[Bigfoot]

I reported this very thing right from September 15 that LEO were being delayed/denied more so than Joe Schmoe.
While I haven't found proof, it would seem that those making the "Checks" ARE THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS, and NOT Uniformed NYSP, or Clerical Staff.
If you ain't got it, or can't make it right now, you're fucked.

If law enforcement personnel is getting denied or even delayed with the background checks what can the average law-abiding Joe Schmoe expect to happen?

I'm just saying... This is all so screwed up.
And it's screwed up on purpose IMO.

 

[Bigfoot]

For whatever reason the progressive Democrats are hell-bent on disarming We The People.

Never give up your guns, so you will never get on the train.

The enemy has taken their masks off. You know who they are at this point. Fuck them.

 

[Robin]

This whole state government is flawed!
Robin

 

[livingston]

They will not take your guns but they can deny your ammo purchase.

 

[FP1201]

For whatever reason the progressive Democrats are hell-bent on disarming We The People.

Never give up your guns, so you will never get on the train.

The enemy has taken their masks off. You know who they are at this point. Fuck them.

There is also the specter of Identity theft with the end solution of "Digital Currency" replacing the Dollar due to the rampant and uncontrollable loss of Security for Personal Identifiable Information...makes real sense: "We can't mitigate electronic identity theft, so we're going to convert to an all digital system of currency to help you." (well really the Banks and Credit Card Companies)
If I can come up with it, you'd better believe there are smarter motherfuckers than me with bad intent that already have.

 

[FP1201]

If law enforcement personnel is getting denied or even delayed with the background checks what can the average law-abiding Joe Schmoe expect to happen?

I'm just saying... This is all so screwed up.
And it's screwed up on purpose IMO.

I'm hoping @CaliberPlus will chime in: There are lots of people coming in to buy ammo that's on the shelf, but few leave with it...It's easier and shorter to register a vehicle at DMV than buy a box of shells.

 

[ManualF150]

I'm hoping @CaliberPlus will chime in: There are lots of people coming in to buy ammo that's on the shelf, but few leave with it...It's easier and shorter to register a vehicle at DMV than buy a box of shells.

You mean it's easier to register a 6,000+ lb weapon than it is to take home a box of shells.