holdover
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ok so your advocating for the killing of 2 million people . I Cant go any further with this . You may want to check if Hillary Clinton has any staff openings.
Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip
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ok so your advocating for the killing of 2 million people . I Cant go any further with this . You may want to check if Hillary Clinton has any staff openings.
spat
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And you're advocating the utter destruction of Isreal. You just don't have the balls to admit it.
holdover
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Well if you trust any side in a war , your a moron. Its a war. both sides have reasons to lie. and Im justified to ask
You think our own goverment hadnt lied to us about our wars? Fucking really?
Dr. Evil
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Are you saying Hamas doesn't use civilians as shields?
holdover
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no. Im saying there is no way to know if a leader was present in the camp ,
Dr. Evil
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So you are equating what Israel has the obligation to do to protect its homeland and citizens from the barbarism of Hamas and those like them that willfully say their sole purpose is for the destruction of Israel and ALL Jews to the record of Hillary Clinton? Is that what your reference is that you are comparing?
Dr. Evil
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You can't say that you believe Hamas uses civilians as human shields while at the same time say there is no proof that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.
holdover
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no. Im saying Hillery clinton would justify just about anything , Not comparing her Israel. at least thats what i meant anyway.
I dont totally condemn Israel for killing civilians. Hamas did this to themselves . They set the presedent, they knew the repercussions but at what point does it end? or doesn't it?
holdover
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Thats not what Im saying. What Im saying is Isreal can target any point on the map and say tunnel or leader and justify it. Theres no way to verify .
All We have is the word of an enraged pissed off nation thats looking for some payback . The Mossad wrote the book on dirty tricks Of course I would have doubts .
Dr. Evil
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You didn't answer post 1709. There is your answer.
holdover
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????
Dr. Evil
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Yes, you're saying exactly that, you just don't realize. Go enlist in the IDF if you want verification that barbaric scumbags that have a history of doing just that are doing just that. I'm good based on their history that they are.
Dr. Evil
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holdover
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no Im not. the problem is that can be used to hit anything anytime they want . without verification sky is the limit . What targets cant they hit? tell me?
holdover
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Oh Ok , I didnt know what you were referring to .
I would continue until the threat was eliminated
Dr. Evil
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It's an imperfect world. BTW, you never answered my question. What would the Israeli military be hitting right now if Hamas didn't do what they did October 7th?
spat
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Oh, I'm sure all sides lie about things.
But let's compare shall we.
Hamas claims Isreal bombed a hospital when it turns out it was one of their own missiles.
Isreal claims all the babies were beheaded when it turns out only some of them were, and others burned alive.
So, yea, I'll take Isreal over Hamas when it comes down to a "he said/she said".
Phazer
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Before the founding of the modern state of Israel, "palestine" was the Middle Eastern region to where the Jews from Europe went to settle.
Palestine was a geographic region, not a country.
Dr. Evil
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Bingo. So why did you ask at what point do you call it even when you already knew the answer? This is why it is hard having a discussion with you sometimes.
spat
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It doesn't actually matter if one was actually present or not.
What matters is if Isreal had reason to believe one would be.
Or, not even a leader. I would expect Hamas is probably using at least some of those camps as living quarters for their fighters.
Maybe Isreal has drone surveillance of people from the camps coming and going to the Hamas tunnels.
That's probably enough justification to bomb it right there.
Dr. Evil
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OK, let's try this. Let's say you are a parent of a teenage girl. Let's also say the teenage girl has been molested by a neighbor. Not once, but multiple times over multiple years but has never been punished for doing such. Now, let's say your teenage girl says it happened again. Do you tell her, "Sorry honey, you could just be saying that. I wasn't there so I don't know for sure it really happened." I hope to G-d you wouldn't.
spat
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There are only a couple ways for it to ever end.
Either:
1. The entire Iranian senior government and cultural leaders are removed and *a lot* of Hamas is killed.
2. Every single Hamas operative anywhere is killed.
3. Isreal ceases to exist.
I find 1 & 2 acceptable outcomes. I think it would be a disaster *for the US* to allow #3 to happen.
The only other option is for this murder stalemate to continue forever and civilians on both sides to keep dying in bulk.
Acer-m14
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wooops ..
Hiroshima and Nagasaki
were just military places back then i guess ..
yeah right ..
in WARs people die .. good people and bad people ..
its a FACT of WAR ..
don't like it .. then do not start one ..
Hiroshima and Nagasaki
were just military places back then i guess ..
yeah right ..
in WARs people die .. good people and bad people ..
its a FACT of WAR ..
don't like it .. then do not start one ..
spat
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Calling yourself a Palestinian is like calling yourself a Mediterranean.
The people who call themselves Palestinians today are the people who have been kicked out of every Arab country because nobody wants them.
It might have something to do with all the assassinations, coups, and revolutions they attempt.
spat
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And if that threat was 250,000 fighters hiding among 1.75 million hostages ?
spat
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No way for *you* to know.
To claim it as a war crime, you have to claim that *Isreal* had *no reason to believe* one was there.
Which is also not something you would be able to do.
Once the dust settles, and there is a victor to the conflict, they can then go over what intelligence was available to the decision makers who ordered the strike.
*that's* how war works.
Acer-m14
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holdover
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I guess nothing.
Dr. Evil
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Again, bingo.