Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip

[holdover]

When your enemy explicitly calls for the death of all your citizens and this idea is shared among a majority of their population then it is both logical and fair to do the same to them first.

Calling for , and being able to execute such a threat are two different things . If Hamas had the ability to do it ,I'd say your point is valid , but just some fucking crazy guys screaming , Ehhh, kinda like Panama calling for the destruction of the US.

 

[Phazer]

So when hamas applies the same rules and calls for genocide, its now wrong?

( it is wrong)

What?

You are making a moral equivalence arguement between Hamas and Israel? Are you serious?

You are employing a twisted definition of genocide.

You may wish to reference:

• Spanish Inquisition
• Czarist pogroms
• Third Reich's Final Solution
• Hamas' charter

 

[holdover]

What?

You are making a moral equivalence arguement between Hamas and Israel? Are you serious?

You are employing a twisted definition of genocide.

You may wish to reference:

• Spanish Inquisition
• Czarist pogroms
• Third Reich's Final Solution
• Hamas' charter

No Im holding them to the same standard. genocide is wrong . period, for the good guys and the bad guys .

Do you think We should have executed all of our POWS after the war because they tried to kill us?

 

[Phazer]

Calling for , and being able to execute such a threat are two different things . If Hamas had the ability to do it ,I'd say your point is valid , but just some fucking crazy guys screaming , Ehhh, kinda like Panama calling for the destruction of the US.

If those few "crazy guys" came to your neighborhood, to your family's home, burned your infant neice alive, cut the hands off your 8-year old nephew so that he could slowly bleed to death while watching your sister have her breasts cut off before being shot, and her husband having his eyes gouged out after seeing his wife raped and butchered, and then promised to do this to everyone in your town, forevermore, if they did not leave their state..... you'd feel otherwise.

Barbarity must be expunged. Period.

Some people do not wish to be part of modernity. They do not want to live and let live. They want to dominate everyone, everywhere, forever.

 

[Phazer]

No Im holding them to the same standard. genocide is wrong . period, for the good guys and the bad guys .

Do you think We should have executed all of our POWS after the war because they tried to kill us?

If "genocide" is they systematic elimination of anti-civilization demonic savages through war, then so be it.

 

[holdover]

If those few "crazy guys" came to your neighborhood, to your family's home, burned your infant neice alive, cut the hands off your 8-year old nephew so that he could slowly bleed to death while watching your sister have her breasts cut off before being shot, and her husband having his eyes gouged out after seeing his wife raped and butchered, and then promised to do this to everyone in your town, forevermore, if they did not leave their state..... you'd feel otherwise.

Barbarity must be expunged. Period.

Some people do not wish to be part of modernity. They do not want to live and let live. They want to dominate everyone, everywhere, forever.

Of course I would want revenge . No question. I dont blame the Israelis for how they feel , not at all.

Ands hows that working out for them? think we should nuke them all to protect ourselves?

 

[Phazer]

Of course I would want revenge . No question. I dont blame the Israelis for how they feel , not at all.

Ands hows that working out for them? think we should nuke them all to protect ourselves?

No.

I don't think that the Israelis are a threat to us or our way of life.

Islamist terrorists, however, are.

 

[holdover]

If "genocide" is they systematic elimination of anti-civilization demonic savages through war, then so be it.

Ok but thats exactly how they see Isreal and the west. But according to your theroy on geopolitics they now have no right to life and should be scrubbed from the face of the earth, because of a verbal threat.

You have more in common with them than you think.

 

[holdover]

No.

I don't think that the Israelis are a threat to us or our way of life.

Islamist terrorists, however, are.

What?I didnt think they were, but thats not what I said. I said because Islam is threat to us should they be exterminated right now forever ?

 

[holdover]

If "genocide" is they systematic elimination of anti-civilization demonic savages through war, then so be it.

Are you quoting Hitler?

 

[Phazer]

Ok but thats exactly how they see Isreal and the west. But according to your theroy on geopolitics they now have no right to life and should be scrubbed from the face of the earth, because of a verbal threat.

No.

That's just your moral equivalence argument.

A people that want to live and let live, even in a way which does not agree with my sensibilities, should be left to their own devices provided that they adhere to basic tenets of human civilization.

Just because a warped, depraved, culture finds it appropriate to sacrifice children on a pegan alter, torture women, or enslave people, does not mean that the civilized world must agree with the "all cultures are equal" diatribe.

You have more in common with them than you think.

Not even close.

 

[holdover]

Some people do not wish to be part of modernity. They do not want to live and let live. They want to dominate everyone, everywhere, forever.

kinda sounds like your "'some people""

 

[Phazer]

Are you quoting Hitler?

I've run in logic circles for long enough on this.

If you find Hamas to be the moral equivalent of the Israelis, there is nothing that I can write that will change your mind.

I will never, ever, accept your moral equivalence or "its just a matter of perspective" arguement.

 

[Phazer]

kinda sounds like your "'some people""

Darn... you got me all figured out. Congrats to you.

 

[holdover]

No.

That's just your moral equivalence argument.

A people that want to live and let live, even in a way which does not agree with my sensibilities, should be left to their own devices provided that they adhere to basic tenets of human civilization.

Just because a warped, depraved, culture finds it appropriate to sacrifice children on a pegan alter, torture women, or enslave people, does not mean that the civilized world must agree with the "all cultures are equal" diatribe.



Not even close.

So they dont even have to be threat , just different . Great.

Listen, I dont like those fucking people one bit either, I have no dog in this fight. I can care fucking less if they want to burn each other on lamposts because someone ate something on tuesday.

The law, or morality must be applied equally without bias , If you think an entire group people should die because they disagree, I dont know what to say. You sound like the Taliban .

 

[Phazer]

If you think an entire group people should die because they disagree, I dont know what to say. You sound like the Taliban .

Yes. I think that all child-murdering, rapist, anti-civilization, religion-inspired savage terrorists should die.

 

[holdover]

I've run in logic circles for long enough on this.

If you find Hamas to be the moral equivalent of the Israelis, there is nothing that I can write that will change your mind.

I will never, ever, accept your moral equivalence or "its just a matter of perspective" arguement.

There is no perspective , are the lives of dead Isrealis kids worth more the lives of dead Palistinian kids?

 

[holdover]

Yes. I think that all child-murdering, rapist, anti-civilization, religion-inspired savage terrorists should die.

Then you agree with Hamas, because thats how they see it too. They will tell you exactly the same thing. Your condemming Isreal to the same fate because you cant see it.

 

[Phazer]

There is no perspective , are the lives of dead Isrealis kids worth more the lives of dead Palistinian kids?

If you start a war, and your civilians get killed as collateral damage, that is on YOU.

If 35,000 Americans were killed in a border town, would you be keeping track of collateral damage as we sought to eliminate the threat to our homeland?

War is horrible. It is the least productive activity for humanity. But, it is sometimes unavoidable.

All innocent lives lost are regrettable and a tragedy.

Israel, however, is fighting a real existential threat. If they do not handle this threat now, then many more lives will be forfeit in the future.

If Israel is pushed hard enough, and falls as a nation, then millions more Muslim civilians will be killed in Israel's death throes (see: Israel's "Samson Option").

 

[Phazer]

Then you agree with Hamas, because thats how they see it too. They will tell you exactly the same thing. Your condemming Isreal to the same fate because you cant see it.

Moral equivalence, again.

If you think that the Israelis are child-murdering rapists that mutilate and torture civilians in their homes, we have nothing else to discuss.

I find your logic invalid.

If you want to consider this a victory for your argument, fine. I know where you stand despite your protestations about not having a side.

 

[pjzwtl]

“If you start a war, and your civilians get killed as collateral damage, that is on YOU.”

That about sums it up

 

[Arjuna]

Protesters storm port to block military supplies for Israel

 

[Arjuna]

“If you start a war, and your civilians get killed as collateral damage, that is on YOU.”

That about sums it up

 

[Dr. Evil]

Of course I would want revenge . No question. I dont blame the Israelis for how they feel , not at all.

Ands hows that working out for them?

Watch some of the videos I post from Raptor and you will see how that's working out for them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Protesters storm port to block military supplies for Israel

They are the enemy if they don't want Israel to protect itself. Drop them off in Gaza so they can give some supplies to Hamas. Either that or mow them down. End of block. So tired of these fucktards that obviously have zero purpose in their lives so they feel the need to belong to something, anything. Handle them like that Sheriff did to the loons blocking the highway a few week ago.

 

[livingston]

Met Police barricade themselves in train station as pro-Palestinian protesters have sit-in protest​

The police cannot save you ... Another example

 

[holdover]

Watch some of the videos I post from Raptor and you will see how that's working out for them.

Im it sure its not working out to well for Hamas. ( thats what I was referring too)

 

[livingston]

 

[kev74]

 

[spat]

The allies deliberately bombed German and Japanese civilians in world war 2. We killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Sure, we rationalized it by saying cities were military targets or, in Churchill's phrase, we were simply "de-housing" them. But the military and civilian leaders all knew the truth. We kept on killing them until the cocksuckers that started the war surrendered.

Hamas deliberately mixes their military assets within the civilian population. And quite a few of the civilians were cheering in the streets after the initial Hamas attack. So lots of civilians need to die for this conflict to end. An ugly truth. Trying to impose "rules" on Israel during their fight for survival is ridiculous.

When civilians are involved in the war effort, they become legitimate targets.

Whether they're working in a factory making tanks, or running the railroad that's delivering ammunition to the front, they are legitimate targets.

In Gaza, virtually everyone is involved somehow. Just like during WWII, in Germany and Japan nearly everyone was involved in the war effort.

It's only a war crime to strike fully civilian targets. Just because someone isn't in uniform doesn't mean they aren't part of the war effort, and therefore a legitimate target.

Hospitals normally would be off limits, because even soldiers who are there are no longer part of the war effort. But, if you start putting weapons on the roof, then everything changes.

Reminds me of an episode of MASH where they ended up with an artillery piece in the compound. They had to remove it because it made the hospital a legitimate target while it was present. The hospital was off limits when it was purely a hospital. The show is fiction, but they got that detail right.