Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip

[tirwin1]

I agree with all of the above is fairly accurate except :

""So lots of civilians need to die for this conflict to end. An ugly truth. Trying to impose "rules" on Israel during their fight for survival is ridiculous.""

which civilians must die?No rules implies a complete genocide for the safety of Isreal. and if your advocating ethnic cleansing and genocide, you have become the monster you proclaim to fight.

When your enemy explicitly calls for the death of all your citizens and this idea is shared among a majority of their population then it is both logical and fair to do the same to them first.

 

[Arjuna]

Rashida Tlaib slammed for defending call for genocide against the Jewish people

 

[livingston]

Giving Gaza to Palestinian Authority is an Insanely Bad Idea | The Caroline Glick Show IN Focus​

 

[livingston]

Hamas terrorist admits to deliberately murdering children in chilling IDF interrogation video​

 

[kev74]

Collapsing Hamas' jugular vein???? Oh crap!! Israel really blew it this time!!

Prepare for scores of goat fornicators to take a knee saying "I can't breathe!!!"

The dreaded George Floyd defense!

 

[holdover]

When your enemy explicitly calls for the death of all your citizens and this idea is shared among a majority of their population then it is both logical and fair to do the same to them first.

Genocide is the only answer, but I think it sounded better in the original German

 

[holdover]

The Left has previously told their people to "punch a Nazi."

The Nazis in our midst have outed themselves.

Said the guy calling genocide a legitmate tactic . look in the mirror to see who the NAZI's are.

 

[Phazer]

Collapsing Hamas' jugular vein???? Oh crap!! Israel really blew it this time!!

Prepare for scores of goat fornicators to take a knee saying "I can't breathe!!!"

The dreaded George Floyd defense!

A commentator pointed out how skilled the Hamas propagandists are. They understand their audiences.

In the Middle East, Hamas sells itself with "Kill the Jews" messaging to appeal to their hardline regional Muslim population.

To appeal to the useful idiots indoctrinated in U.S. schools, Hamas preaches an "anti-colonial, anti-oppressor" message where Israeli Jews are said to be European colonizers displacing the "indigenous Palestinians." The highly educated morons in our country lap up this tripe since it jives so well with the social justice pabulum that they have been taught. Hamas leaders have even likened Israel's "racist" policies to the murder of George Floyd in order to tailor and target the weak-minded social justice mobs in our country.

Hamas Leader Compares Israel To Murder Of George Floyd

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[holdover]

A commentator pointed out how skilled the Hamas propagandists are. They understand their audiences.

In the Middle East, Hamas sells itself with "Kill the Jews" messaging to appeal to their hardline regional Muslim population.

So when hamas applies the same rules and calls for genocide, its now wrong?

( it is wrong)

 

[holdover]

When your enemy explicitly calls for the death of all your citizens and this idea is shared among a majority of their population then it is both logical and fair to do the same to them first.

Calling for , and being able to execute such a threat are two different things . If Hamas had the ability to do it ,I'd say your point is valid , but just some fucking crazy guys screaming , Ehhh, kinda like Panama calling for the destruction of the US.

 

[Phazer]

So when hamas applies the same rules and calls for genocide, its now wrong?

( it is wrong)

What?

You are making a moral equivalence arguement between Hamas and Israel? Are you serious?

You are employing a twisted definition of genocide.

You may wish to reference:

• Spanish Inquisition
• Czarist pogroms
• Third Reich's Final Solution
• Hamas' charter

 

[holdover]

What?

You are making a moral equivalence arguement between Hamas and Israel? Are you serious?

You are employing a twisted definition of genocide.

You may wish to reference:

• Spanish Inquisition
• Czarist pogroms
• Third Reich's Final Solution
• Hamas' charter

No Im holding them to the same standard. genocide is wrong . period, for the good guys and the bad guys .

Do you think We should have executed all of our POWS after the war because they tried to kill us?

 

[Phazer]

Calling for , and being able to execute such a threat are two different things . If Hamas had the ability to do it ,I'd say your point is valid , but just some fucking crazy guys screaming , Ehhh, kinda like Panama calling for the destruction of the US.

If those few "crazy guys" came to your neighborhood, to your family's home, burned your infant neice alive, cut the hands off your 8-year old nephew so that he could slowly bleed to death while watching your sister have her breasts cut off before being shot, and her husband having his eyes gouged out after seeing his wife raped and butchered, and then promised to do this to everyone in your town, forevermore, if they did not leave their state..... you'd feel otherwise.

Barbarity must be expunged. Period.

Some people do not wish to be part of modernity. They do not want to live and let live. They want to dominate everyone, everywhere, forever.

 

[Phazer]

No Im holding them to the same standard. genocide is wrong . period, for the good guys and the bad guys .

Do you think We should have executed all of our POWS after the war because they tried to kill us?

If "genocide" is they systematic elimination of anti-civilization demonic savages through war, then so be it.

 

[holdover]

If those few "crazy guys" came to your neighborhood, to your family's home, burned your infant neice alive, cut the hands off your 8-year old nephew so that he could slowly bleed to death while watching your sister have her breasts cut off before being shot, and her husband having his eyes gouged out after seeing his wife raped and butchered, and then promised to do this to everyone in your town, forevermore, if they did not leave their state..... you'd feel otherwise.

Barbarity must be expunged. Period.

Some people do not wish to be part of modernity. They do not want to live and let live. They want to dominate everyone, everywhere, forever.

Of course I would want revenge . No question. I dont blame the Israelis for how they feel , not at all.

Ands hows that working out for them? think we should nuke them all to protect ourselves?

 

[Phazer]

Of course I would want revenge . No question. I dont blame the Israelis for how they feel , not at all.

Ands hows that working out for them? think we should nuke them all to protect ourselves?

No.

I don't think that the Israelis are a threat to us or our way of life.

Islamist terrorists, however, are.

 

[holdover]

If "genocide" is they systematic elimination of anti-civilization demonic savages through war, then so be it.

Ok but thats exactly how they see Isreal and the west. But according to your theroy on geopolitics they now have no right to life and should be scrubbed from the face of the earth, because of a verbal threat.

You have more in common with them than you think.

 

[holdover]

No.

I don't think that the Israelis are a threat to us or our way of life.

Islamist terrorists, however, are.

What?I didnt think they were, but thats not what I said. I said because Islam is threat to us should they be exterminated right now forever ?

 

[holdover]

If "genocide" is they systematic elimination of anti-civilization demonic savages through war, then so be it.

Are you quoting Hitler?

 

[Phazer]

Ok but thats exactly how they see Isreal and the west. But according to your theroy on geopolitics they now have no right to life and should be scrubbed from the face of the earth, because of a verbal threat.

No.

That's just your moral equivalence argument.

A people that want to live and let live, even in a way which does not agree with my sensibilities, should be left to their own devices provided that they adhere to basic tenets of human civilization.

Just because a warped, depraved, culture finds it appropriate to sacrifice children on a pegan alter, torture women, or enslave people, does not mean that the civilized world must agree with the "all cultures are equal" diatribe.

You have more in common with them than you think.

Not even close.

 

[holdover]

Some people do not wish to be part of modernity. They do not want to live and let live. They want to dominate everyone, everywhere, forever.

kinda sounds like your "'some people""

 

[Phazer]

Are you quoting Hitler?

I've run in logic circles for long enough on this.

If you find Hamas to be the moral equivalent of the Israelis, there is nothing that I can write that will change your mind.

I will never, ever, accept your moral equivalence or "its just a matter of perspective" arguement.

 

[Phazer]

kinda sounds like your "'some people""

Darn... you got me all figured out. Congrats to you.

 

[holdover]

No.

That's just your moral equivalence argument.

A people that want to live and let live, even in a way which does not agree with my sensibilities, should be left to their own devices provided that they adhere to basic tenets of human civilization.

Just because a warped, depraved, culture finds it appropriate to sacrifice children on a pegan alter, torture women, or enslave people, does not mean that the civilized world must agree with the "all cultures are equal" diatribe.



Not even close.

So they dont even have to be threat , just different . Great.

Listen, I dont like those fucking people one bit either, I have no dog in this fight. I can care fucking less if they want to burn each other on lamposts because someone ate something on tuesday.

The law, or morality must be applied equally without bias , If you think an entire group people should die because they disagree, I dont know what to say. You sound like the Taliban .

 

[Phazer]

If you think an entire group people should die because they disagree, I dont know what to say. You sound like the Taliban .

Yes. I think that all child-murdering, rapist, anti-civilization, religion-inspired savage terrorists should die.

 

[holdover]

I've run in logic circles for long enough on this.

If you find Hamas to be the moral equivalent of the Israelis, there is nothing that I can write that will change your mind.

I will never, ever, accept your moral equivalence or "its just a matter of perspective" arguement.

There is no perspective , are the lives of dead Isrealis kids worth more the lives of dead Palistinian kids?

 

[holdover]

Yes. I think that all child-murdering, rapist, anti-civilization, religion-inspired savage terrorists should die.

Then you agree with Hamas, because thats how they see it too. They will tell you exactly the same thing. Your condemming Isreal to the same fate because you cant see it.

 

[Phazer]

There is no perspective , are the lives of dead Isrealis kids worth more the lives of dead Palistinian kids?

If you start a war, and your civilians get killed as collateral damage, that is on YOU.

If 35,000 Americans were killed in a border town, would you be keeping track of collateral damage as we sought to eliminate the threat to our homeland?

War is horrible. It is the least productive activity for humanity. But, it is sometimes unavoidable.

All innocent lives lost are regrettable and a tragedy.

Israel, however, is fighting a real existential threat. If they do not handle this threat now, then many more lives will be forfeit in the future.

If Israel is pushed hard enough, and falls as a nation, then millions more Muslim civilians will be killed in Israel's death throes (see: Israel's "Samson Option").

 

[Phazer]

Then you agree with Hamas, because thats how they see it too. They will tell you exactly the same thing. Your condemming Isreal to the same fate because you cant see it.

Moral equivalence, again.

If you think that the Israelis are child-murdering rapists that mutilate and torture civilians in their homes, we have nothing else to discuss.

I find your logic invalid.

If you want to consider this a victory for your argument, fine. I know where you stand despite your protestations about not having a side.

 

[pjzwtl]

“If you start a war, and your civilians get killed as collateral damage, that is on YOU.”

That about sums it up