Interesting (FFL transfer cost information/restriction)
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Most around me are $25, but some are up to $60. Most won’t do private transfers anymore and there’s plenty of ways around this. $10 for the check and the rest is for… say no and see you later.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
You'll be shocked to hear I'm sure that there are many significant differences between what the law says and what the state police say on their web page.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just says "a dealer", so the guy down the road is a real wheeler dealer and he said its a go, no problem!
Robin
Robin
There are/were those that did adhere to the $10. limit, but most said fuck-that and if you want me to do it, it'll be 25.
Two places charged me $10. Corinthian Arms in Syracuse and Gander Mountain. Tangent: Soldier ETS'ng brings in a new, M1A with a Trijicon Scope and Pelican Case; they'd only "give him" $600. for everything (fuck that!) I get a call, meet the man, make a better deal and THEY did the BGC for it on ME!
The State setting the price was an appeasement against claims of burdensome fees... "It's only ten dollars and it's not that much money, and it cost the Dealer (then) nothing but his operational expense to conduct the NICS Check.
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dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Yeah, no ones doing the $10. My FFL does $35 per. I don't argue with him, not his law. I get mad at NYS.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
Yeah, this is pretty bullshit, but I can't blame the FFLs for this. Really, they need to be taken out of the process altogether. Put the onus on the government and the seller, in that order.
Don't mistake what follows as being in support of background checks. I absolutely am not. It is my view that if a person is not in prison, they should be able to possess guns. Anything else is infringement. BUT, if we are going to live in a world of background checks, then it should be something like the following:
Meaning, a person who wants to transfer their gun should be able to go to a NICS webpage, input a potential buyer's limited info, and get a go/no-go back immediately. The seller can retain this go/no-go response for his or her records, but should only be legally required to do so for a short period of time - say 1 month.
Again, I don't support this idea, or background checks in general, at all. The reality is as follows: law-abiding citizens will continue to follow the law, and criminals will not. It's all pointless.
Don't mistake what follows as being in support of background checks. I absolutely am not. It is my view that if a person is not in prison, they should be able to possess guns. Anything else is infringement. BUT, if we are going to live in a world of background checks, then it should be something like the following:
Meaning, a person who wants to transfer their gun should be able to go to a NICS webpage, input a potential buyer's limited info, and get a go/no-go back immediately. The seller can retain this go/no-go response for his or her records, but should only be legally required to do so for a short period of time - say 1 month.
Again, I don't support this idea, or background checks in general, at all. The reality is as follows: law-abiding citizens will continue to follow the law, and criminals will not. It's all pointless.
Chris1389
.45 acp
What would happen if a dealer got reported for charging over $10 for a transfer fee?? Charging $10 for a transfer fee helps us more then it hurts the shop. There not paying the bills from transfer fees.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
The dealer would likely do two things:
1) Respond to the charges with "it was a $10 transfer fee and a $30 convenience fee."
2) Refuse to do private transfers anymore
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
if only ALL the $$$ stayed with the FFL and not sent to the GOVT ..
poll tax ..
poll tax ..
Chris1389
.45 acp
Then that all needs to be specified. They would never refuse to do transfers bc most shops are registered on gun broker to get ammo an guns sent to them. Also are they charging a fee to do a backround check when you buy ammo?
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
John of Corinthian Arms has been feeling the NYS anti LGS pressure. Looks like he is relocating his store front.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
It comes down to this: the situation sucks for everyone but the state, who also happens to be the entity that made this whole mess. Surprise surprise.
I know this much: if I were an FFL, I sure as hell wouldn't do private transfers for $10. Would you?
I know this much: if I were an FFL, I sure as hell wouldn't do private transfers for $10. Would you?
There is a component that hasn't been mentioned: Under the latest changes the NICS Check COSTS the FFL $9.00 and THEY can charge whatever they want for doing the Check irrespective if it's a Private Transfer between two non-FFL's, Receiving a gun, or the Sale of a Gun.
When it first came out, the Dealer I associated with decided it would be "$10. for the private transfer NICS Check, and $20 Filing Fee." No one said a word, as she wouldn't have done them otherwise...I also think that there have been very few person to person transfers utilizing a BGC, especially for illegal guns brought from out of state to be sold illegally, used illegally, and possessed illegally, but don't your worry, there's no Bail and .gov is keeping you safe.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Well the gun itself probably isn't free, and if you've enough money, somebody will sell you whatever you want!
I've bought a fair share of guns in Parking lots, Bars, want ads, friend of a friend, et.al. and never committed a crime with or without that gun...with and estimated 400 Million Guns in Citizens hands (they like to call it "in circulation") its laughable that someone intent on getting a gun to use criminally will find it impossible to do so, and after all, if you're going to commit a crime using a gun, the criminality of illegally obtaining one is irrelevant.
Chris1389
.45 acp
Gun transfer fees are like a deli selling lotto. When people come in they will browse around hoping to buy other stuff in the store. Transfer fees do not pay the bills.
Transfer Fees are Lunch Money that should be pocketed...oh wait, this is NY and you can't do that, and don't forget to charge sales tax on it as well.
Chris1389
.45 acp
Lol its a joke. Charging sales tax to a made up charge.
It's New York: do you not think they'd demand money for a Service they didn't provide?
The humor isn't lost, it's sad, just sad.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I'm surprised we don't pay tax on taxes. 