Quarantine Procedures” will give the state of New York the ability to come in your home and take you away

[ManualF150]

i just drove 45 mph in a 30 zone in town .. not one cop in sight .. not one car scratched or pedestrian struck ..

i think i was doing 70 in 55 a few time going to moms house .. had a good tail wind gust at times ..

no duty to protect .. you have no way to watch every street .. and save someone

your speed cameras are a joke too .. they to do not stop any accidents .... just another money stream .. with no victim

just stay in the cop shop and wait for the clean up call ..

If anything, they've proven to cause accidents. Look at red light cameras.

Hell, I'm guilty of it too, I spend too much time staring at the traffic signal versus what is in front of me waiting for it to turn red. Especially when they are marked "Red light photo enforced".

I know of someone who got rear ended at the same intersection 5 times until the city took the cameras down.

 

[Truebeliever]

If the first timer should get less than the repeat offender, that should be written into the law. Not left up to the prosecutor and judge to dispense at their whim.

The plea bargain is an offer by a prosecutor to allow a defendant to plead guilty to a lesser crime than the one they are accused of. It is offered because the prosecutor doesn't want to actually have to prove the crime in court. By definition that is subverting justice.

The prosecutor should be legally and ethically bound to charge and prosecute *every* crime he has sufficient evidence to have a reasonable chance of getting a conviction on. The law shouldn't be ambiguous to where he even has a choice of charges.

Anything less leads to "well, she didn't mean any harm in having the server in her bathroom", or "well, he had a disadvantaged childhood, so we'll let him slide on this".

As for repeat offenders, I think an exponentially escalating scale would be good, but it needs to be specifically written into law.

Something like sentence doubled for each previous felony conviction or something like that.

So, the law specifies the sentence for the first time offender, and frequent fliers get harsher sentences.

You just said the rub to it. The prosecutor decides which charges he thinks he can prove . And the prosecutor is judged by his conviction rate . And he has the incentive not to clog the court system. Even if the DA wanted to prosecute every case, the guilty would go free because of “lack of speedy trial”. They couldn’t push it thru in a timely fashion. As far as not “wanting “ to prove something in court as a reason for a plea bargain— if it was that simple , they would just not charge the person with that particular crime — and they do that all the time - go look at the difference between the arrest charges and the charges at arraignment . They are often different. One is by the cop and the other is by the DA’s office .
As far as sliding scale for repeat offenders — that’s what sentencing guidelines are. And they are very rigid on the federal level and less on the state level ( at least in NY) but are there. In fact , they are too lenient now and ties the judge’s hands . But that the politics of it.
You really don’t have an informed view of how it works, why it is done a certain way and why it often doesn’t work .

 

[Truebeliever]

If anything, they've proven to cause accidents. Look at red light cameras.

Hell, I'm guilty of it too, I spend too much time staring at the traffic signal versus what is in front of me waiting for it to turn red. Especially when they are marked "Red light photo enforced".

I know of someone who got rear ended at the same intersection 5 times until the city took the cameras down.

I’m guilty of not “pushing “ thru the red light for ambulance to get get thru because I refuse to get the ticket that I know they won’t believe it was because of an ambulance.
I also know people who cover their plates for the speed cameras. Criminals wear masks now because they know of all the cameras looking . And because of Covid , people aren’t being stopped by police for wearing a mask as they would have before Covid.

 

[livingston]

Here We Go: CDC Issues Health Alert Over Deadly, Fast-Spreading Strain of Monkeypox​

Dec. 9, 2023
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a health alert on Thursday to inform clinicians and health departments nationwide about the emergence and spread of a deadly subtype of the monkeypox virus, known as Clade I, predominantly in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC).

This health advisory, part of the CDC’s Health Alert Network (HAN), underscores the necessity for heightened vigilance, particularly among travelers returning from the DRC. Clade I, distinguished as a distinct genetic grouping of the monkeypox virus, has not been reported in the United States to date, according to the health alert.

Here We Go: CDC Issues Health Alert Over Deadly, Fast-Spreading Strain of Monkeypox | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

The U.S.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[spat]

You just said the rub to it. The prosecutor decides which charges he thinks he can prove . And the prosecutor is judged by his conviction rate . And he has the incentive not to clog the court system. Even if the DA wanted to prosecute every case, the guilty would go free because of “lack of speedy trial”. They couldn’t push it thru in a timely fashion. As far as not “wanting “ to prove something in court as a reason for a plea bargain— if it was that simple , they would just not charge the person with that particular crime — and they do that all the time - go look at the difference between the arrest charges and the charges at arraignment . They are often different. One is by the cop and the other is by the DA’s office .
As far as sliding scale for repeat offenders — that’s what sentencing guidelines are. And they are very rigid on the federal level and less on the state level ( at least in NY) but are there. In fact , they are too lenient now and ties the judge’s hands . But that the politics of it.
You really don’t have an informed view of how it works, why it is done a certain way and why it often doesn’t work .

You are making the mistake of talking about how it works now as of that's how it *should* work.

You say the prosecutor is judged by his conviction rate as if that justifies the behavior. It doesn't. It merely explains it. The obvious solution is to stop judging prosecutors by their conviction rate, or to change the goal from 100% to something lesser.

I'm my mind, a prosecutor with a 100% conviction rate is probably a terrible prosecutor. That means he only prosecutes crimes he is 100% certain he will win.

Imagine if you said "I always hit the bullseye with every shot at the range" as some sort of flex. The obvious answer is that you aren't challenging yourself. If you have a perfect record, but every shot is from 5 yards, that means you suck.

 

[Truebeliever]

You are making the mistake of talking about how it works now as of that's how it *should* work.

You say the prosecutor is judged by his conviction rate as if that justifies the behavior. It doesn't. It merely explains it. The obvious solution is to stop judging prosecutors by their conviction rate, or to change the goal from 100% to something lesser.

I'm my mind, a prosecutor with a 100% conviction rate is probably a terrible prosecutor. That means he only prosecutes crimes he is 100% certain he will win.

Imagine if you said "I always hit the bullseye with every shot at the range" as some sort of flex. The obvious answer is that you aren't challenging yourself. If you have a perfect record, but every shot is from 5 yards, that means you suck.

We can agree on that . But the positive to such a conviction rate is that when they do decide to prosecute , the guilty will take the plea . And that plea agreement won’t be a slap on the wrist. It’s what the feds do. Not to the point of 100% but a “federal case” has a reputation for a reason .

 

[spat]

We can agree on that . But the positive to such a conviction rate is that when they do decide to prosecute , the guilty will take the plea . And that plea agreement won’t be a slap on the wrist. It’s what the feds do. Not to the point of 100% but a “federal case” has a reputation for a reason .

That's only useful if your goal is to get people to take pleas.

I think pleas should be illegal.

They fly in the face of every bit of contract law. They are the very definition of a coerced agreement.

If the prosecutor can get a conviction on the more serious charge, then they shouldn't be allowed to let someone off with a lesser one. That's a perversion of justice.

If they *can't* get a conviction on the more serious charge, then it's unethical to threaten someone with it. It's even *more* unethical if the fact that the defendant can't afford financially to fight it enters into the equation.

Now, you talk about the system being overwhelmed if it had go take every charge to trial. That is a symptom of the system being badly broken. The solution isn't to build in short cuts. The solution is to put the bad guys away long enough that you don't have to deal with them so often, and to remove a lot of the stupid stuff that clogs the courts.

 

[Truebeliever]

That's only useful if your goal is to get people to take pleas.

I think pleas should be illegal.

They fly in the face of every bit of contract law. They are the very definition of a coerced agreement.

If the prosecutor can get a conviction on the more serious charge, then they shouldn't be allowed to let someone off with a lesser one. That's a perversion of justice.

If they *can't* get a conviction on the more serious charge, then it's unethical to threaten someone with it. It's even *more* unethical if the fact that the defendant can't afford financially to fight it enters into the equation.

Now, you talk about the system being overwhelmed if it had go take every charge to trial. That is a symptom of the system being badly broken. The solution isn't to build in short cuts. The solution is to put the bad guys away long enough that you don't have to deal with them so often, and to remove a lot of the stupid stuff that clogs the courts.

Ahm, no. Thats a symptom of society rather than the system. “Jury of our peers “ remember, but how many actually show up for jury duty . Or how often victims don’t follow thru on their part and show up for hearings. Or defense council who have legitimate conflicts with the trial schedule.
Do you have any idea what the percentage of cases go to trial ?
In federal court , it’s only 2%.
In New York , it was 2.91%
And the system is overburdened with that because of all the reasons above and the all of the safeguards in attempt to only convict the guilty , and an attempt to put restrictions on police behavior rather than just a search for the truth . Before the exclusionary rule, evidence obtained was admissible despite any police misbehavior's in its search and seizure. There was no Miranda warnings before 1962. And a lot of other things that complicated the system as a safeguard. Do you want to get rid of them ?

 

[spat]

Ahm, no. Thats a symptom of society rather than the system. “Jury of our peers “ remember, but how many actually show up for jury duty . Or how often victims don’t follow thru on their part and show up for hearings. Or defense council who have legitimate conflicts with the trial schedule.
Do you have any idea what the percentage of cases go to trial ?
In federal court , it’s only 2%.
In New York , it was 2.91%
And the system is overburdened with that because of all the reasons above and the all of the safeguards in attempt to only convict the guilty , and an attempt to put restrictions on police behavior rather than just a search for the truth . Before the exclusionary rule, evidence obtained was admissible despite any police misbehavior's in its search and seizure. There was no Miranda warnings before 1962. And a lot of other things that complicated the system as a safeguard. Do you want to get rid of them ?

No, I don't want to get rid of Miranda or the exclusionary rule.

I think those % of plea bargains are disgraceful. Every single plea is by definition a case where justice isn't done according to the law.

What I *do* want to do is get rid of maybe 80% of the laws that are bullshit, and then the 20% of "real" crimes, punish the people to the fullest extent possible.

You think a plea is saving the court time ? Not when some guy who should be in prison for 5 years is going to come back and have to be retried 5 times instead.

So, get rid of all the bullshit drug and gun charges, and a bunch of other junk, and keep the guys who are left locked up, and the load on the courts will drop far enough that you *can* give the cases the proper attention they are due.

 

[Robin]

Wish I could type like you guy's.
Robin

 

[Truebeliever]

No, I don't want to get rid of Miranda or the exclusionary rule.

I think those % of plea bargains are disgraceful. Every single plea is by definition a case where justice isn't done according to the law.

What I *do* want to do is get rid of maybe 80% of the laws that are bullshit, and then the 20% of "real" crimes, punish the people to the fullest extent possible.

You think a plea is saving the court time ? Not when some guy who should be in prison for 5 years is going to come back and have to be retried 5 times instead.

So, get rid of all the bullshit drug and gun charges, and a bunch of other junk, and keep the guys who are left locked up, and the load on the courts will drop far enough that you *can* give the cases the proper attention they are due.

That’s not a direct result of plea bargaining in general but the laws and what the sentencing is , then add corrections law ie parole and “good time “.
And it’s what the DA reduces the plea bargain to. Some are just and others aren’t. Sometimes , if the case isn’t strong , you get what you can. We had one DA plea a felony to probation with a felony conviction. The idea was that the person used up their youthful offender status so the next time they would actually have a criminal record and not be eligible for probation.And sure enough, they got arrested soon after fans got real time for a change as result . Youthful and juvenile offender status is in the law and it’s something that we can agree needs to be fixed as well as the criminal liability age being increased to 18 from 16. But that’s for another discussion.

 

[Acer-m14]

be like Cali and a bit more ..

3 strikes and you get kicked off this planet ..


PS .. and the USA has the most incarcerated people then any other place ..

$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Saltwater60]

LoL at legal course of redress.

That's a joke right ?

Or do you really expect a family getting hauled off in the middle of the night to get a lawyer and file a suit that might get heard in a couple of years ?

Do you think the "legal course of redress" fixed all the abuses of the covid era ?

Businesses destroyed, churches closed, then after *years* the courts finally step in and say "yea, they shouldn't have done that, but immunity, so they'll get a lecture, but that's it.

You *really* call that "legal redress" ?

Even if it’s heard there is no legal recourse. Who will come and say you’re not sick or you weren’t exposed to whatever they claim you were exposed to.
Folks pay attention and use cash wherever you can. This is what the digital dollar and all that is about. It’s all about tracking you and knowing where and what you’re doing. There isn’t much of a way you can fight it if Typhoid Mary was at Wegmans and scanned her debit card at 12:01 in checkout 10 and you did the same at 12:04. Boom that will land you in jail soon enough. Now we know why all the criminals and jails were emptied and closed…. They are for us potentially.

 

[Saltwater60]

Of course not. But lawsuits are only starting . But why are these laws necessary? So if you were infected with a real deadly disease like smallpox or Marrburg do you think you should be allowed to spread it?
And yes , I have had to make that choice. We have had prisoners who were HIV positive but their significant other had no idea. By law , I couldn’t tell them .
What would you do?
Not so black and white when they had to tell you so they could get their necessary medical treatment. Remember, They were prisoners. Compelled “testimony “.

As far as getting a civil suit, it’s habeas corpus . Not a normal lawsuit. It takes as fast as it is in getting any other hearing including arraignments. It means it’s done in days at most especially if there is no arraignment.
Guys learn the law and what redress you actually have. These things are not as black and white as one might believe.

So again the state prioritizes one persons health over another’s. The SO of an HIV infected person should absolutely be notified or they should be quarantined u see this order correct?
Funny how the state broke HIPPA laws when it suits them with Covid and other diseases but not HIV or hepatitis C. NYS told my sons college about his vaccine schedules and that should be illegal.

 

[Truebeliever]

So again the state prioritizes one persons health over another’s. The SO of an HIV infected person should absolutely be notified or they should be quarantined u see this order correct?
Funny how the state broke HIPPA laws when it suits them with Covid and other diseases but not HIV or hepatitis C. NYS told my sons college about his vaccine schedules and that should be illegal.

HIPPA is federal law, not state law, and has exemptions to exemptions to exemptions . I don’t know HIPPA but NYS specifically has a law about HIV and its privacy. So, yes, NYS did make such a decision as to health.

 

[Defilade]

The test is a Fraud. So no.

 

[Saltwater60]

HIPPA is federal law, not state law, and has exemptions to exemptions to exemptions . I don’t know HIPPA but NYS specifically has a law about HIV and its privacy. So, yes, NYS did make such a decision as to health.

Correct. My point is nys again does as they please and will continue to do so. Nys still needs to follow federal laws but as we know with immigration they make their own rules.

 

[Truebeliever]

Correct. My point is nys again does as they please and will continue to do so. Nys still needs to follow federal laws but as we know with immigration they make their own rules.

There is an exception in HIPPA for healthcare professionals to disclose such info amongst each other . And to county /state medical officials .

 

[ManualF150]

Supreme Court wipes rulings on federal employee, military vaccine mandates

The Supreme Court wiped a series of rulings implicating the Biden administration’s vaccine mandates for federal employees and military service members, preventing the decisions from holding the wei…

thehill.com

 

[Dr. Evil]

Supreme Court wipes rulings on federal employee, military vaccine mandates

The Supreme Court wiped a series of rulings implicating the Biden administration’s vaccine mandates for federal employees and military service members, preventing the decisions from holding the wei…

thehill.com

C'mon man, I have to see this bad news twice? He's my same answer:


MY


FUCKING


HILL!

 

[Bigfoot]

C'mon man, I have to see this bad news twice? He's my same answer:


MY


FUCKING


HILL!

Yep, that's the hill. My body my choice.


Mask Denier Pure Blood Master Race over and out

 

[Acer-m14]

just remember .. NYS is not part of the USA ..

some how this state succeeded from the union years ago

life is better .. just do what you want to ..

 

[Defilade]

 

[Saltwater60]

There is an exception in HIPPA for healthcare professionals to disclose such info amongst each other . And to county /state medical officials .

There’s always an exception to benefit them but not us. Just like for Covid they were all deemed essential. I worked the vaccine site for the NYS department of health and many others around me were given the COVID bonus but not me because I didn’t officially work for department of health. Many examples of the government doing as they please while we get screwed. We have to follow the guns laws but the government employees don’t in some case. Congress could and still can do what’s illegal to us with the stock market and trading.

 

[FP1201]

Supreme Court wipes rulings on federal employee, military vaccine mandates

The Supreme Court wiped a series of rulings implicating the Biden administration’s vaccine mandates for federal employees and military service members, preventing the decisions from holding the wei…

thehill.com

Well I didn't get my job back and I was threatened twice in writing that I HAD TO take the shot or steps would be taken to remove me from Federal Service...by the time the ruling rolled around, I was already gone and forgotten.

 

[Acer-m14]

i'm still getting a bill from the hospital here for catching a bioweapon Covid ...

still not paying ..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

i'm still getting a bill from the hospital here for catching a bioweapon Covid ...

still not paying ..

Send that shit to china

 

[Tisto]

I have posted a small sign on my front door.

 

[ManualF150]

So basically they are eluding that the US is going to get into a dirty war on US soil.

Maybe that is why Musk is building a shelter.

 

[Bigfoot]

Quarantine camps with no due process or recourse and freedom do not mix.
One of those can not exist with the other.

There will come a time when it's going to be one or the other again.

Pick your side when *they* tell you to put a stupid mask on again.
I would recommend choosing the side of freedom, don't go along just to get along.
It will just lead to more and more tyranny.


Mask Denier Pure Blood Master Race over and out.
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