So murdering a US Citizen without a trial is ok?
SCOTUS rules on immunity
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So murdering a US Citizen without a trial is ok?
I understand your position and I view the guy as a traitor. The principle is there was no trial. Even the left wing ACLU filed suit against Obama for that.
stokes
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In this case, I gotta say yes. I have a special hatred for the goat fuckers.
My love for the US Constitution outweighs my dislike for Muslims.
Funny thing about this... He is wrong and so are those that think this. It amazes me how ignorant and stupid people really are.
Stupid for not reading and understanding this ruling. Ignorant for speaking out loud, what many Americans know is false. Known false just by reading and understanding the words that were put on paper.
The same that are against this, are the same ones that want to end all forms of qualified immunity of government employees.
I am not referring to law enforcement shooting someone in self defense as murder.
I mean murder as murder. There is a reason we have laws and due process.
4WHLDRFTN
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EggZaklee. Notice how he didn’t flub anything ? when he goes over and over his many crimes for the past 50yrs…..Practice makes perfect
spat
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Killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki - Wikipedia
spat
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Yea, but the point is he was a US citizen in a country we are not at war with.
If "he was scum" is an excuse, then it's going to be open season on globalist POSs.
Just order Hunter's next flight to China shot down and use the "he was scum" defense...
Not sure we really want to go there, even if they deserve it.
spat
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Obviously some acts must be legal for the POTUS when they aren't for others.Without immunity for official acts, no one would be President. Anyone would be prosecuted after leaving office for a decision. Some people here need to calm down.
There wouldn't be a functioning country without it. The dissenting opinion is what we all need to focus on. If Joe Biden had any communications with the DOJ about the prosecution of Trump, that action would not qualify as official. They know it and that is why the left is going ballistic.
I can hear the shredders humming and servers being wiped right now.
But, they should be clearly enumerated powers, not blanket immunity.
Since we don't have that, this ruling is correct.
But, what I'd like to see is congress to do their fucking job and eliminate the ambiguity.
spat
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So, all you need to do to justify an extra judicial killing is call someone an "Islamic extremist" ?
Be careful what you wish for, the left will add "right wing extremist" to that list and hunt us all down.
4WHLDRFTN
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Jmac00
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is this mumbling retard aware that presidential immunity has been around for about 246 years.
Also, the SCOTUS just saved biden's ass. All the lawfare he's been pushing AS PRESIDENT makes him immune from prosecution, because he is acting in his official (in)capacity
4WHLDRFTN
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EggZaklee.
stokes
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Well, aint they on their way to doing that already? I get what you are saying and to some degree I agree, but every action has repercussions and opposite reactions. When I see my enemy killed, I dont care how it was done and in this case I dont care that Obuma, who I also consider an enemy, did it.
spat
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I mostly agree.
But, for the US government they shouldn't be an enemy until there is an actual bona-fide declared war.
Absent that, it should be self defense justification only.
But, we have pussies in charge that won't declare war when they should be, so they just want to execute "war lite" and pretend we're still at peace, which is never the right plan.
Want to kill ISIS or Taliban without a trial, then fucking declare a war, and fight it like it's a war.
stokes
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I do agree with what you are saying, and I'm not talking about an enemy of the USA necessarily, its a personal thing to me, like I said before, I have a special hatred for these people. And when this al-Awlaki joined al queda he surrendered his US citizenship and was fair game in my view.
Only a retard believes this ruling gives POTUS, whether it's Biden or Trump, carte blanche to do whatever they want or elevates them to some kind of King-like status. There's a bunch of other amendments that need to be struck down before that happens.
This is simple - this specific ruling was necessitated by dem lawfare attacks on Trump. All the knee-jerk hysteria is just because they are pissed because it just got harder to "get Trump". Without some level of immunity this lawfare tactic created by this twisted administration would become the norm and hamstring every future POTUS.
FFS they created a special retro rape whistle window in NY specifically so they could hold a civil trial against him.
Dems created this situation and the need for this ruling, whether we agree with it or not.
This is simple - this specific ruling was necessitated by dem lawfare attacks on Trump. All the knee-jerk hysteria is just because they are pissed because it just got harder to "get Trump". Without some level of immunity this lawfare tactic created by this twisted administration would become the norm and hamstring every future POTUS.
FFS they created a special retro rape whistle window in NY specifically so they could hold a civil trial against him.
Dems created this situation and the need for this ruling, whether we agree with it or not.
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livingston
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RedBreast21
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Too many scenarios to be covered when minutes count when acting in the official capacity and interests of the people. Remember this was granted by the Constitution hundreds of years ago and was broad so that future unforeseen events counted for. Biden's feckless withdrawal in Afghanistan, covered or not? Drone killing of an American citizen who clearly committed acts of terror on the world, covered?
Again, no one would take the presidency or even be effective if necessary minute by minute decisions had to be legally vetted and sent through congress which would take months, only then jailed for years after.
Its worth reading the historical arguments and boundaries of presidential immunity.
Next up, Executive privileged and whether a president can have a cabinet or people around them to discuss sensitive things without having Congress drag into a committee, those people to question and spill secrets they have no right to.
"Whats Presidents Biden's campaign strategy.......?" Yeah no. lol
The Democrats may want to rewrite the rules when it suits them, I don't. Not a game to be played. Why have a constitution if it isn't to be applied equally to all.
RedBreast21
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He gave a good break down. I've followed this guy for a few years now.
livingston
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Everyone should watch this assessment ,, The last few minutes is history many have forgotten .... And Brandon was right at the forefront.
Phazer
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Pffttt...common sense. Stop it! We're trying to channel our inner Leftists.
spat
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There is a very simple test for extra judicial killing.
Is it a justifiable act of self defense ? Same rules for civilians as government employees. Whether you're delivering a pizza in Philadelphia or manning a checkpoint in Yemen.
Past that, are they an enemy in a declared war ?
That's it. That, plus sentencing after a jury trial are the only acceptable ways to intentionally kill someone.
Can't get congress to declare war ? Then the goat fucker lives.
As for all the other decisions, certainly a president needs leeway. But it should be spelled out precisely what it is. The case where they need some legal review just shouldn't come up.
The fact that we put the mentally handicapped in charge of writing our laws is the root problem. If the laws were written properly there would be no ambiguity and the president wouldn't need immunity, he would know exactly what he can and can't do in a situation.
We do not need a king. Just watch what comes next and the power that is implicated by what Mr. Trump says (and has said) that he will do (which is currently not authorized by the way). He will likely follow-up with all of his threats and MAGA will likely have buyers remorse.
The aristocracy is upon us....
The aristocracy is upon us....
Phazer
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I respectfully disagree.
We are merely seeing clarification of what has been DOJ policy for over 50 years.
I dunno, ask Obama.
By reading some of the comments here, one can come to the conclusion that many have lived very sheltered lives and understand a lot less than others do.