New clean trucking rule causing major concerns A new regulation requires a percentage of new trucks sold in New York to be zero-emission vehicles

[livingston]

A new regulation requires a percentage of new trucks sold in New York to be zero-emission vehicles -- forcing manufacturers to make more electric trucks if they want to keep selling traditional diesel trucks. Trucking representatives say this could have a crippling impact on the industry, and will hit consumers in the wallet.

 

[fresch]

Typical NY trying to keep up with commifornya.

 

[Saltwater60]

I posted about this in California a while back and it’s been a disaster for them. Their rules are worse and it’s related to semi trucks but we will see how it goes here with this. California is a 1:1 rule, sell one diesel sell one EV semi. Problem is EV semis get 1/10th the range and cost twice as much so no one wants them.
HYDROGEN!!

 

[CNYJohn]

All trucks are zero emissions when shut off

Maybe we need to do that with ny politicians too

 

[repete]

All trucks are zero emissions when shut off

Maybe we need to do that with ny politicians too

Now there's a thought!

 

[Celt]

You thought the cost of EVERYTHING was high already.... just wait!

 

[Bigfoot]

The Marxist Democrats taking advantage of the climate hoax to advance the destruction of America.

 

[Zerex]

Trucks will simply have to be purchased out of state, by Trucking Companies located out of state and trucks sent here to satellite depots, to pickup loads or deliver them. Likely true today.

Libs have brains like manure.

 

[Cavalry]

Until NY does shit like CA with banning interstate travel of diesel trucks fleets will just buy them out of state and run them in NY. Its lose, lose. The NY dealers will lose and NY will lose the tax revenue.

 

[dwa12479]

The dealers in NY will go under, trucks will be purchased out of state, the price of everything goes up, and NY has improved nothing for anyone.

 

[Koz]

One would think that, at least by assmosis, Horchul might have absorbed some knowledge of finance with her years at M&T Bank. Instead she continues to prove that she is remarkedly stupid and amazingly short sighted on all matters affecting NYS.

 

[ManualF150]

If I had kids, I would not let them ride an electric school bus.

Sorry, but I'm a convert... diesel to me is the only way to go.

 

[holdover]

The green new deal begins to show its ugly face. Not about climate its about power. the use of global whatever to force individuals or companys or farmers to do what they are told . Its anti american on its face.

The fact that some trucking companys use slip seating or teams to run the trucks 24/7 to be profitable will kill them . I dont know how long it takes to charge a semi's battery, but I know it takes about ten minutes to fill a truck with diesel. Something like this would require 2 trucks to run the same time , and thats only local. I dont see how you would use team drivers anymore

 

[Cavalry]

The fact that some trucking companys use slip seating or teams to run the trucks 24/7 to be profitable will kill them . I dont know how long it takes to charge a semi's battery, but I know it takes about ten minutes to fill a truck with diesel. Something like this would require 2 trucks to run the same time , and thats only local. I dont see how you would use team drivers anymore

The only way to do it would be to change battery packs like an electric forktruck. The technology would not be that hard to come up with but the infrastructure would be difficult to do. The batteries could be brought to the power not the other way around.
Electric semis have no purpose that I can see at the current tech level. A KW T680e is like 22Klb and a diesel T680 is 7000lbs lighter. In trucking weight is money. Even with all that weight in batteries the KW has an advertised range of 150miles with a 3 hour recharge time. What the hell are you going to do with that other than local deliveries at best?

 

[ManualF150]

The only way to do it would be to change battery packs like an electric forktruck. The technology would not be that hard to come up with but the infrastructure would be difficult to do. The batteries could be brought to the power not the other way around.
Electric semis have no purpose that I can see at the current tech level. A KW T680e is like 22Klb and a diesel T680 is 7000lbs lighter. In trucking weight is money. Even with all that weight in batteries the KW has an advertised range of 150miles with a 3 hour recharge time. What the hell are you going to do with that other than local deliveries at best?

Also you got to think about what is under the ground too. That extra weight takes it toll on sewer and water systems and other infrastructure.

Also weight limits in cities will need to be changed. A lot of places are still 5 tons and lots of R-permit trucks not allowed.

Same with EV school busses. The massive weight isn't good for the roads.

Like you said, the weight to cost to run is not desirable. Let alone all the other problems.

The company I work for won't even consider gas trucks. My boss (owner) laughs at all this nonsense with gassers and EVs. Call him old school, but he's only been running the business and making more and more profit for the past 30+ years. I'd listen to that guy any day, especially when my paycheck keeps increasing. As they say it? Money talks, bullshit walks? lol

 

[thughes]

The green new deal begins to show its ugly face. Not about climate its about power. the use of global whatever to force individuals or companys or farmers to do what they are told . Its anti american on its face.

The fact that some trucking companys use slip seating or teams to run the trucks 24/7 to be profitable will kill them . I dont know how long it takes to charge a semi's battery, but I know it takes about ten minutes to fill a truck with diesel. Something like this would require 2 trucks to run the same time , and thats only local. I dont see how you would use team drivers anymore

A round trip run from Roc to Albany would take 4 days......

“In today’s world, a tractor trailer only goes about 200 miles with a full charge, diesel tractors will go 600 miles a day,” he says.

For example: a truckload of groceries going from Rochester to Albany. Today, a driver can make it there and back in less than 10 hours. In an electric rig, a driver can get to about Utica before it needs a charge.

“He’d have to sit there for six to eight hours to charge the battery, at that time, these guys only get 10 hours of service. So, then he has to sleep overnight there, drive it to Albany unload his load and then do it all over again on the way home.”

Then, there’s the matter of whether there’s actually anywhere in public for these trucks to charge. Hems says there isn’t a single heavy-duty charging station on the Thruway.

“If you can’t charge them, what are you going to do with them? You’re asking these people to buy these trucks, there’s no chargers out there, you can’t go more than 200 miles so, I’m not quite sure how the consumer is going to get their products,” Penksa says."




“We obviously work to really push the industry in a direction where we need them to be but we’re also flexible and we build in flexibilities to these rules that we have to make sure that we’re hearing from industry and adapting,” says Sean Mahar, Interim Commissioner of NYSDEC.

Mahar adds he’s hoping by then, there will be a more robust charging infrastructure statewide too which may help companies get on board with the idea of buying zero-emission rigs.

 

[Cavalry]

Also you got to think about what is under the ground too. That extra weight takes it toll on sewer and water systems and other infrastructure.

Also weight limits in cities will need to be changed. A lot of places are still 5 tons and lots of R-permit trucks not allowed.

Same with EV school busses. The massive weight isn't good for the roads.

Like you said, the weight to cost to run is not desirable. Let alone all the other problems.

The company I work for won't even consider gas trucks. My boss (owner) laughs at all this nonsense with gassers and EVs. Call him old school, but he's only been running the business and making more and more profit for the past 30+ years. I'd listen to that guy any day, especially when my paycheck keeps increasing. As they say it? Money talks, bullshit walks?

Yes and no. 80000lbs is 80000lbs in a semi truck, electric or diesel. EV school busses are heavier than diesel but the ones I have seen are still a 32K GVW and only making the same route twice a day. The problems with weight you get into are municipal busses that would be far heavier and pounding the same path over and over all day long.

 

[Saltwater60]

Trucks will simply have to be purchased out of state, by Trucking Companies located out of state and trucks sent here to satellite depots, to pickup loads or deliver them. Likely true today.

Libs have brains like manure.

Not sure about NYS but California bars this.

 

[Celt]

I heard an interesting Theory from the Sean Ryan Show on YouTube where the Civil War has already begun and blue states are pushing Extreme Blue policies to drive out red voters and red States are doing the same. I'm going to post the short video for anyone who's interested.

 

[That_FNG]

One would think that, at least by assmosis, Horchul might have absorbed some knowledge of finance with her years at M&T Bank. Instead she continues to prove that she is remarkedly stupid and amazingly short sighted on all matters affecting NYS.

You are wrong. She is not stupid, she is smart. If your goal was to completely ruin a state and cause irrevocable harm to that state, would you do anything different then what she has done?

 

[Saltwater60]

You are wrong. She is not stupid, she is smart. If your goal was to completely ruin a state and cause irrevocable harm to that state, would you do anything different then what she has done?

I agree they can’t be this stupid and it has to be done on purpose. It’s about control and the government stepping in to help so we rely on democrat policies and vote blue.

 

[Bigfoot]

I agree they can’t be this stupid and it has to be done on purpose. It’s about control and the government stepping in to help so we rely on democrat policies and vote blue.

 

[GOPerfect]

Buy vehicles out of state.

Simple

 

[Grimscale]

Buy vehicles out of state.

Simple

Great for the short term, but not long term.
Eventually they will do the same as California does and restrict how many non-compliant vehicles can be brought into the state. Initially via exorbitant taxes at registration time then eventually via out-right theft via confiscation for infractions. this is how these power hungry tyrants operate.

As we say with CA... companies need to sacrifice their bottom line now to ensure a better bottom line later. They NEED to start telling CA, and companies that operate out of CA, to go pound sand and STOP HAULING GOODS INTO OR OUT OF THESE ROGUE STATES!

 

[GOPerfect]

Great for the short term, but not long term.
Eventually they will do the same as California does and restrict how many non-compliant vehicles can be brought into the state. Initially via exorbitant taxes at registration time then eventually via out-right theft via confiscation for infractions. this is how these power hungry tyrants operate.

As we say with CA... companies need to sacrifice their bottom line now to ensure a better bottom line later. They NEED to start telling CA, and companies that operate out of CA, to go pound sand and STOP HAULING GOODS INTO OR OUT OF THESE ROGUE STATES!

Your idea at the end of the post is a better idea than mine

 

[Bigfoot]

Lets say for a second that climate change is real, or more correctly that it's man made. When considering all of the countries around the world doing what they do plus mother natures volcanoes and forest fires.

Does the Democrat political class in the states of NY and California really believe that all by themselves they can really have a desired effect on the worlds climate?

Of course not, it's a climate hoax and they know that. The Green New Deal is the hoaxers tool for more power and more money at the expense of the American people...

The Marxist Democrats are dangerous criminals, the difference is they wear suits and ties as a disguise. Plus they all have that Get Out of Jail Free card...

#climatehoax

#the green new scam

 

[ManualF150]

I'm thinking if we run more EV trucks, that it would be much easier to control/hinder them by exploiting the electrical grid.

A lot harder to do that with fuels like gas/diesel.

Especially with folks like me who is going to buy a 275 gallon diesel tank to fill their truck and tractor. If the electric (battery) operated pump dies, I can resort to the hand pump. I can hand pump a gallon of diesel that has 140,000+ btus of energy a lot easier than trying to do that with electric.

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm thinking if we run more EV trucks, that it would be much easier to control/hinder them by exploiting the electrical grid.

A lot harder to do that with fuels like gas/diesel.

Especially with folks like me who is going to buy a 275 gallon diesel tank to fill their truck and tractor. If the electric (battery) operated pump dies, I can resort to the hand pump. I can hand pump a gallon of diesel that has 140,000+ btus of energy a lot easier than trying to do that with electric.

Now add into it that Erie county NY wants to take over the electrical grid because the cost is going up so high and you’re on to something.

 

[ManualF150]

Good news! I got a 275 gallon diesel fuel tank being supplied by the fuel company coming. Just signed up for a 2 year agreement with no minimum on usage. The tank will be coming next week. I opted for a 115v pump. After my 2 years, I can either keep doing a year by year contract or let them take it back at no charge and credit me the fuel returned. Should've done this years ago.

I use about 500 gallons of diesel fuel a year. So it's a perfectly sized tank for my usage.

Would I ever go to gas or EV now?! Hell fucking no! This is going to be so convenient I don't even know how to describe it.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Great for the short term, but not long term.
Eventually they will do the same as California does and restrict how many non-compliant vehicles can be brought into the state. Initially via exorbitant taxes at registration time then eventually via out-right theft via confiscation for infractions. this is how these power hungry tyrants operate.

As we say with CA... companies need to sacrifice their bottom line now to ensure a better bottom line later. They NEED to start telling CA, and companies that operate out of CA, to go pound sand and STOP HAULING GOODS INTO OR OUT OF THESE ROGUE STATES!

That is EXACTLY what needs to happen. Watch as they follow CA and outlaw ANY non EV trucks to run in New Yorkistan. Then, trucking companies need to completely tell New Yorkistan pols to FUCK OFF! And to stop delivering ANYTHING to NYS.

Sit back and watch the state implode. It will only change when people begin seeing totally empty shelves, look up from their phones, and go “Huh? WTF? This must be Trump’s fault…”