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tirwin1 said:
Their "high tech" drones come from Iran and they are getting ammunition from North Korea. They may win this war but it certainly hasn't positioned them as superpower by any means.
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Who will replace their stockpiles first after the war is over? Both Russia and NATO countries are depleting their stockpiles.

We are going through hundreds of multi million dollar missiles shooting down houthi drones. that's not doing us any favors either.

The country that produces most will be better positioned in the future. Russia is producing munitions probably 5x the rate of the west. They have the supply chain capacity.
 
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tirwin1 said:
Their "high tech" drones come from Iran and they are getting ammunition from North Korea. They may win this war but it certainly hasn't positioned them as superpower by any means.
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When they finish this war they will have the largest battle hardened army in the world , Drones are kids toys , they can make thier own, but they have bigger fish to fry. They have some of the best missile systems in the world . N Korea China Iran are taking up the slack for the moment .


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BREAKING!!! Germany Ends All Military Aid, Ukraine Has Lost "The German Ministry of Defense has lost faith in the ability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to achieve success on the battlefield. Germany will no longer transfer heavy military equipment to Ukraine. Berlin does not believe that Ukraine will soon be able to carry out a counterattack." Russia, World War Champions, 3-0.

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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Who will replace their stockpiles first after the war is over? Both Russia and NATO countries are depleting their stockpiles.

We are going through hundreds of multi million dollar missiles shooting down houthi drones. that's not doing us any favors either.

The country that produces most will be better positioned in the future. Russia is producing munitions probably 5x the rate of the west. They have the supply chain capacity.
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And they don’t have to ship them across an ocean
 
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BRICS 2024, Kazan Russia

These leaders represent more than half of world's population.
How is isolation of Putin and Russia working out?

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I hope Trump and Putin can strike some kind of deal that the European states, the American people, and even Zelenskyy, well fuck Zelenskyy, the Ukrainian people agree to even before the official inauguration. If for nothing else, just to see the democrats (not real american people), lose their shit!!! Again.:ROFL:
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I don't know if it's factual or was fake news, but the idea of signing a peace accord, freezing the conflict lines as they are, and establishment of a DMZ buffer zone sounds like a great way to end this conflict and Ukraine won't like it but the pragmatic reality is they will still have a country and still have some men left in it to rebuild.
 
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Like I said back a bit, they get some farm land we (the west) get the rest and the living Ukraine can farm through the bomb waste land for all involved.
 
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Russia made it clear, it will adhere to all of the stated goals of their special military operation.

1. No NATO presence in Ukraine EVER. (not just 20 years)
2. Complete de-Nazification, i.e. ban on Nazi ideology.
3. Guaranteed equal right for Russian speaking population and protection of Russian language and culture.
4. Four regions in the East joining Russian Federation. Entire territory of these regions.

Going back to 2014 and even prior, every time the West is escalating this conflict, Russia ends up gaining. Too many people have died for the West to dictate anything. The West is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Russia made it clear, it will adhere to all of the stated goals of their special military operation.

1. No NATO presence in Ukraine EVER. (not just 20 years)
2. Complete de-Nazification, i.e. ban on Nazi ideology.
3. Guaranteed equal right for Russian speaking population and protection of Russian language and culture.
4. Four regions in the East joining Russian Federation. Entire territory of these regions.

Going back to 2014 and even prior, every time the West is escalating this conflict, Russia ends up gaining. Too many people have died for the West to dictate anything. The West is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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I believe that Putin/Russia will agree to number 1

Number 2, getting rid of ideology by law or edict is not possible.

Number 3 will be done, as will number 4.

The Ukraine is defeated, if they don't know it yet, they will find out in four months.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Russia made it clear, it will adhere to all of the stated goals of their special military operation.

1. No NATO presence in Ukraine EVER. (not just 20 years)
2. Complete de-Nazification, i.e. ban on Nazi ideology.
3. Guaranteed equal right for Russian speaking population and protection of Russian language and culture.
4. Four regions in the East joining Russian Federation. Entire territory of these regions.

Going back to 2014 and even prior, every time the West is escalating this conflict, Russia ends up gaining. Too many people have died for the West to dictate anything. The West is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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Ukraine will end up in NATO from this.

Anything else is just an invitation for Russia to regroup and try again in a few years.
 
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GOPerfect said:
I believe that Putin/Russia will agree to number 1

Number 2, getting rid of ideology by law or edict is not possible.

Number 3 will be done, as will number 4.

The Ukraine is defeated, if they don't know it yet, they will find out in four months.
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Germany banned Nazi ideology, so did a number of countries. It doesn't get rid of it, but it curtails criminal and brazen behavior of its followers.
 
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Mosinitis said:
How did pursuit of NATO membership helped them so far?
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How well has opposing it worked out for Russia ?

How many dead Russians is it worth to keep Ukraine out of NATO ?

Their latest misadventure has decimated en entire generation during their most productive years, and led to *more* NATO members on their border already.

Honestly, what is the benefit to Russia in all of this ? What does it really matter if NATO is in Ukraine, or just Finland.
 
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spat said:
How well has opposing it worked out for Russia ?

How many dead Russians is it worth to keep Ukraine out of NATO ?

Their latest misadventure has decimated en entire generation during their most productive years, and led to *more* NATO members on their border already.

Honestly, what is the benefit to Russia in all of this ? What does it really matter if NATO is in Ukraine, or just Finland.
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It reversed the process of Western Domination and control.

Geographical shape of Russia makes invasion through Ukraine much harder to defend against than invasion through Finnish border.
 
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Mosinitis said:
It reversed the process of Western Domination and control.

Geographical shape of Russia makes invasion through Ukraine much harder to defend against than invasion through Finnish border.
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In a perfect world it wouldn't be a concern because we would have welcomed Russian cooperation and formed some sort of loose alliance with them. Russia should be our ally and should be aligned with us focused on countering china.

Imagine how much different the world could be right now if NATO let Russia play in the sandbox and we all got along and we were all aligned to keep China from trying to become dominant.

Oh well. Piss that down the toilet.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
In a perfect world it wouldn't be a concern because we would have welcomed Russian cooperation and formed some sort of loose alliance with them. Russia should be our ally and should be aligned with us focused on countering china.

Imagine how much different the world could be right now if NATO let Russia play in the sandbox and we all got along and we were all aligned to keep China from trying to become dominant.

Oh well. Piss that down the toilet.
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Russia wanted partnership and U.S. wanted domination. This misalignment is what deteriorated relations to the worst ever.
Initially Russians were so fascinated with the West, that they looked the other way when we broke our promises, back stabbed them, crapped on their history, and treated them unfairly. This went on for years, until they had enough.
 
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Mosinitis said:
It reversed the process of Western Domination and control.

Geographical shape of Russia makes invasion through Ukraine much harder to defend against than invasion through Finnish border.
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Why would anyone want to invade Russia in the modern era ?

And even if they conquered and occupied 100% of modern Ukraine, that wouldn't be more than a speed bump for NATO if they decided to.

And I really think your take on the "process of western domination" is backwards.

Prior to their current misadventure in Ukraine, Russia was respected on the world stage as a major military power. Now they are the butt of jokes.

If anything, their failure in Ukraine has accelerated western domination.
 
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