Single Purpose Container Doctrine SURRENDERING Your 4th Amendment

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This was an issue in a New Jersey case some years ago where a conviction was upheld based on a warrantless search of a gun case.

That's why I carry my guns in things don't look like gun cases.
 
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Don't use a violin case, they area dead giveaway......

Being at the range, however, is also a dead giveaway, as are liquor stores.
 
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I think it's easier said than done to find a hard-shelled lockable case that doesn't, in any way shape or form, resemble a firearm case.

Examples are welcome.
 
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Wait till they find out how many pill bottles I have full of small screws and nuts....

Here's what you really want for a trip to the range....

OK, now I want to find a shooting range that offers caddy service.

"Sir, this is a par 450yd, might I suggest the .308 ?"

 

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livingston said:

STOP SURRENDERING Your 4th Amendment DAILY! Loophole exposes YOU, Single Purpose Container Doctrine
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He is leaving out an important part they still need probable cause just plain view would not justify a search guns are legal, drugs are not so plain view would apply he would still need probable cause evidence of a crime
  • Consent: If you voluntarily give the police permission to search your gun case, they do not need a warrant.
  • Probable Cause and Exigent Circumstances: If the police have probable cause to believe that the gun case contains evidence of a crime and there are exigent circumstances (e.g., immediate danger or risk of evidence destruction), they may be able to conduct a warrantless search. New York courts apply a stricter standard than federal law when evaluating exigent circumstances, requiring officers to demonstrate a compelling need for immediate action.
 
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Stickers are important. Some Callaway, Lionel or Nikon stickers on the case may help as well. I like the container options that you all have shown as they have realistically affordable price points. Thanks
 
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dean3690 said:
Stickers are important. Some Callaway, Lionel or Nikon stickers on the case may help as well. I like the container options that you all have shown as they have realistically affordable price points. Thanks
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Time to start keeping my license in an opaque colostomy bag. I figure they'll be comfortable with that seeing as they are a bunch of fucking assholes.
 
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If you need a 500.00 hard case for a safe queen, leave it at home and use it for when you move locations. lol

Softball bags, gym bags, soft guitar cases are all fine for those tools you are one day planning to use in the apocalypse. If that event happens you won't be committing the safe queen to the fight. You'll be reaching for the tool that got bumped, hit the ground and used in rough weather that you were training in and now trust. Don't dare tell me otherwise. :ROFL: :beer: :salute:

Also, super market canvas zipper bags that say Stop n Shop, Fresh Mart or other, are great for the range gear needed for the day.
 
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Not for nothing but there have Always been Rogue boot lickers and power trip junkies out there.
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There is no doubt about that, always will be. There is just a lot more of them out there, today, that run around all puffed up just waiting to pounce. We`ve got a couple new young newb`s locally. When they are sitting along side of the road watching people drive through the village, they stare you down like your a criminal. They are stone faced, eyes don`t blink, no sign of happiness on their faces. They just stare you down with anger all over their faces. They won`t even reply back to you when you say good morning or hello. That`s a first sign of one being a phucking prick. I bet when they`re sitting in their dicktatermobile, their finger is on the trigger while they stare at you. I do not trust any of them today. They don`t show signs anymore that they CAN be trusted.
 
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There is no doubt about that, always will be. There is just a lot more of them out there, today, that run around all puffed up just waiting to pounce. We`ve got a couple new young newb`s locally. When they are sitting along side of the road watching people drive through the village, they stare you down like your a criminal. They are stone faced, eyes don`t blink, no sign of happiness on their faces. They just stare you down with anger all over their faces. They won`t even reply back to you when you say good morning or hello. That`s a first sign of one being a phucking prick. I bet when they`re sitting in their dicktatermobile, their finger is on the trigger while they stare at you. I do not trust any of them today. They don`t show signs anymore that they CAN be trusted.
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All the more reason to tip your hat and acknowledge there presence. Throw in a “ Good morning officer friendly “ for good measure now and then .
 
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JunkBoxFull said:
There is no doubt about that, always will be. There is just a lot more of them out there, today, that run around all puffed up just waiting to pounce. We`ve got a couple new young newb`s locally. When they are sitting along side of the road watching people drive through the village, they stare you down like your a criminal. They are stone faced, eyes don`t blink, no sign of happiness on their faces. They just stare you down with anger all over their faces. They won`t even reply back to you when you say good morning or hello. That`s a first sign of one being a phucking prick. I bet when they`re sitting in their dicktatermobile, their finger is on the trigger while they stare at you. I do not trust any of them today. They don`t show signs anymore that they CAN be trusted.
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Maybe, just Probably, a good way to make some bank $$$...

Just give em' the Bird when passing by, get the cams rolling and wait for it! When stopped or worse, you'll make bank! Just be nice when interacting! Heaven forbid the officer ever asks you WHY you gave the bird, lol.



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All the more reason to tip your hat and acknowledge there presence. Throw in a “ Good morning officer friendly “ for good measure now and then .
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Always! Don't read into the above! Lol... But those stone faced soulless public servants sometimes need a reality check ;)

Anyways, it's all good!

We are always discussing hypothetical scenarios that never come to be! :D

Have a great day!
 
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1) Wife and I have a friend who is a hot glass artist, glass blower. She goes to shows with up to 8 hard long rifle gun cases. Awesome product protection.

2) At work (before retirement) the HVAC service technicians use to move pitot tubes for duct velocity measurements, in their service vans in a hard gun case.

3) I have a friend who used an XXL range bag from MidwayUSA for a diaper bag. Better pockets and stronger than most diaper bags. She was a shooter. Her friends laughed at her. Range-diaper bag still in service 20 years later.

4) I repourpose my manufacturer's pistol cases to organize tools in my tool boxes.

5) Pencil holder on my desk is a plasic reloading box for .308 ammo.

All of the above are examples of open minded dual purpose uses of what is perceived to be single use containers.
 
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Deplorable Me said:
1) Wife and I have a friend who is a hot glass artist, glass blower. She goes to shows with up to 8 hard long rifle gun cases. Awesome product protection.

2) At work (before retirement) the HVAC service technicians use to move pitot tubes for duct velocity measurements, in their service vans in a hard gun case.

3) I have a friend who used an XXL range bag from MidwayUSA for a diaper bag. Better pockets and stronger than most diaper bags. She was a shooter. Her friends laughed at her. Range-diaper bag still in service 20 years later.

4) I repourpose my manufacturer's pistol cases to organize tools in my tool boxes.

5) Pencil holder on my desk is a plasic reloading box for .308 ammo.

All of the above are examples of open minded dual purpose uses of what is perceived to be single use containers.
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A .308 pocket protector!!:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
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