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Defilade said:
The Military and Law enforcement better reevalute the way they test their pistols. Obviously it is a flawed system to allow this through.
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They didn’t test anything, Sig underbid to get the contract…selling the guns at cost to the government.

Used it as a marketing tool to sell overpriced guns to consumers.

The way our government runs, kickbacks wouldn’t surprise me.
 
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dsdmmat said:
I have questions about this fatality. The first and foremost: Why would the Airman take his loaded gun off and lay it on a surface in such a way the barrel is pointing at his chest?

This just seems to go against every gun safety training course I have ever had.
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Those are all good questions

They're likely on video seeing as this is a nuclear base feel like there's a good chance this area was under surveillance.

Regardless, the circumstances still seem to indicate the p320 appears to have malfunctioned and fired on its own while secured in a holster and not being touched....
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Those are all good questions

They're likely on video seeing as this is a nuclear base feel like there's a good chance this area was under surveillance.

Regardless, the circumstances still seem to indicate the p320 appears to have malfunctioned and fired on its own while secured in a holster and not being touched....
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Maybe, however the Air Force Safety office will get to the bottom of it. Then we can FOIS the report in about a year.
 
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dsdmmat said:
I have questions about this fatality. The first and foremost: Why would the Airman take his loaded gun off and lay it on a surface in such a way the barrel is pointing at his chest?

This just seems to go against every gun safety training course I have ever had.
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While this does violate gun safety rules pistols SHOULD NOT DISCHARGE IN A HOLSTER! Period.
 
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That_FNG said:
So has the P320 series of pistol negligently and/or unintentionally discharged hurt or killed more people than the Clintons have?
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Well, the P320 has 3 dead and more than a dozen injuries so far but the Clinton's are probably well ahead of that
 
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Honestly, Sig has become the laughing stock of the firearms industry. They have a bad product. They know it and everyone knows it. If they had just owned the problem and issued a recall if would not be getting the flack that it does today.

My very first pistol was a Sig P250 (the hammer fired predecessor of the P320). I also own a P226 a P365 (my everyday carry) and a P365XL. I purchased a P320 when they first came out. They were part of the original "recall but not really a recall" that supposedly fixed "the problem that wasn't a problem." I've never had an issue with it but I also do not trust it. It's a safe queen right now with occasionally use at the backyard range (no one else will allow it lol). I'll probably hold onto it because I'll never be able to get anything for it.

I'm not going to get rid of any of my other Sigs but I do not plan on buying another one anytime soon. The actions of this company have soured (or should be sauered) me to patronize them anymore.
 
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dsdmmat said:
I have questions about this fatality. The first and foremost: Why would the Airman take his loaded gun off and lay it on a surface in such a way the barrel is pointing at his chest?

This just seems to go against every gun safety training course I have ever had.
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According to some of the information I have read on the interwebs ( take that for what it is worth) the airman who died was the desk sergeant and was not the airman who took the gun and holster off his belt and placed it on the desk. This twist to the story makes a lot more sense than the initial story. The desk Sergeant would not normally wear plates or soft body armor due to the level of security in the area they are at for their shift. I am sure the USAF is going to charge the Airman negligent homicide (because that is what they do) and convene a courts martial. The good news in all of this is what really happened will come out in both the criminal investigation and the safety investigation. No hiding the truth.
 
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dsdmmat said:
According to some of the information I have read on the interwebs ( take that for what it is worth) the airman who died was the desk sergeant and was not the airman who took the gun and holster off his belt and placed it on the desk. This twist to the story makes a lot more sense than the initial story. The desk Sergeant would not normally wear plates or soft body armor due to the level of security in the area they are at for their shift. I am sure the USAF is going to charge the Airman negligent homicide (because that is what they do) and convene a courts martial. The good news in all of this is what really happened will come out in both the criminal investigation and the safety investigation. No hiding the truth.
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I’ve seen that movie. We can’t handle the truth.
 
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Just checked (without the Sheetrock screw) all 6 of my 320s ( 4 legions, M17 and M18) none of them would fire. I also had a counseling session with all of them about uncommanded discharges. I am confident I have nothing to worry about.

none of my 320s had the amount of play the one in the video with the Sheetrock screw in the trigger did.
 
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dsdmmat said:
Just checked (without the Sheetrock screw) all 6 of my 320s ( 4 legions, M17 and M18) none of them would fire. I also had a counseling session with all of them about uncommanded discharges. I am confident I have nothing to worry about.

none of my 320s had the amount of play the one in the video with the Sheetrock screw in the trigger did.
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So many goons are trying to be “the one that finally has irrefutable, repeatable proof” that a gun will fire when the trigger is pulled.
 
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P320 Information​

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P320 Safety Information

Recently, there have been a number of reports and claims regarding the safety of the P320 pistol and its use by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies. We understand you may have questions. We want to address your concerns and provide you with full, complete, and accurate information.

SIG SAUER has ALWAYS and will continue to put the safety and security of the U.S. Military, the law enforcement community, our consumers, and the public first. To this end, we want to be sure concerned citizens have access to complete facts.

The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world -meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels. In addition, the P320 has been rigorously tested, and is currently in use by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world.

FBI Testing and Report

A recently publicized internal report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) created some confusion and raised questions about the safety of the P320. The FBI prepared this report for the Michigan State Police after an officer was involved in an accidental discharge. SIG SAUER engineers met with the FBI and Michigan State Police on several occasions to review the report and the incident. Ultimately, the FBI conducted a more detailed, repeatable, and comprehensive battery of testing using compatible equipment. The subsequent testing resulted in zero instances of failures and the Michigan State Police are now confidently issuing officers P320 based pistols. The FBI BRF have yet to make any official claims or statements regarding the safety of the P320 pistol or any of its variants. However, we are urging the FBI BRF and FBI Director Kash Patel to release a full and complete testing and evaluation report on their updated P320 safety testing.

Department of Homeland Security

An internal memo from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/ U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was recently posted online stating the agency was halting its use of the P320. Many online media outlets immediately sought to attribute this to the above referenced FBI BRF report, which is incorrect. DHS has never raised any safety concerns about the P320 and ICE has since extended their existing contract with SIG SAUER another two years. Since DHS has yet to comment publicly correcting their improperly leaked memo, or any statements questioning the safety of the P320, we are now urging ICE to release all information on P320 testing. SIG SAUER is honored to continue aiding ICE in their mission to protect America.

U.S. Air Force M18

There was a recent tragic incident at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming which resulted in the death of an Airman. Because the incident involved the discharge of a (P320 based) M18 pistol, the Air Force is actively conducting an evaluation of M18 pistols within the specific Command where the incident happened. This cautionary step is standard procedure. We proactively offered assistance to the U.S. military as they investigate the incident. Contrary to several online reports, (P320 based) M17 and M18 pistols remain on active duty with all branches of the U.S. Military, including the U.S. Air Force, defending freedom around the world. We have absolute confidence in the U.S. Military’s ability to conduct a thorough investigation and report their findings. As we learn more information about the investigation, we will continue to provide updated information.

P320 Range and Training Bans

Following several of these inaccurate reports, a number of ranges, training providers, and training facilities made the reactionary decision to ban the P320 and its use in their facilities. We are actively working to provide these individuals with accurate information along with a detailed understanding of the P320 and its safety features. If you are impacted by a P320 range or a training provider ban, we urge you to reach out to SIG CUSTOMER SERVICE: 603-610-3000 Option 1 or send a message here so we can clarify any misinformation and provide the truth.

The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories. This video provides a detailed view into all of the various safety features of the P320 and provides a detailed explanation of how the safety system works; for further information on the P320 please visit here.

As with any gun, the P320 will discharge if the trigger is pulled to the rear. Accordingly, SIG SAUER continues to remind its customers, employees, and the public to employ all safe gun-handling practices as spelled out in detail in our product manuals. The SIG SAUER Academy remains a resource to customers, employees, and the public in offering various firearms safety courses.

We respect the public’s concern and are actively working to provide as much information as possible. We sincerely thank you for your continued support of SIG SAUER and urge anyone with additional questions or concerns regarding the P320 and/or safe firearms handling to reach out to our customer service team.​
 
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dsdmmat said:
Maybe, however the Air Force Safety office will get to the bottom of it. Then we can FOIS the report in about a year.
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I don't know about the Air Force, but the Army takes any sort of unintended discharges (including out of battery. explosions, structural failures, etc. ) very seriously and any involved are immediately pulled and sent to the Weapons Repair Station for security and a full examination/investigation...Saw it with a MK19 that Kboomed.
 
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FP1201 said:
I don't know about the Air Force, but the Army takes any sort of unintended discharges (including out of battery. explosions, structural failures, etc. ) very seriously and any involved are immediately pulled and sent to the Weapons Repair Station for security and a full examination/investigation...Saw it with a MK19 that Kboomed.
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Actually it depends on the unit. I often have to call them and have the unit sequester the weapon until a logistics agency representative can examine it.
 
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