Charlie Kirk shot (merged threads)

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Charlie had a massive platform and influence with people. He made it know that we shouldn't be in a war with Iran, the powers that be can't have that..

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It's a FRAGMENT.
Do you understand what the word FRAGMENT means?
Of course it won't match the size and weight of a 30.06 round. It's NOT A COMPLETE BULLET.

OMFG.

Thanks for the Tip Sherlock. I never thought of that!! WTF??? You do know they can weigh all the fragments together , Get a ball park number

right?

The bullet may not be complete, but there were no exit wounds, 100% of the bullet remains in his body . it didnt disappear. all the fragments were in his torso . so yes all the fragments can be weighed. Its called science.

Did that cross your mind?? You seriously thought I was talking about one fragment?? Are you kidding me? Holy fuck , that has to the stupidest comment Ive heard so far .

 

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No they fucking didn't.

They said it *can't be* matched. That is a very different thing to "it doesn't match".

It's the difference between "we can't tell you what gun it was" vs "we can tell you it wasn't this one".

"Ballistics can't match the buckshot to the suspects shotgun" does *not* mean that wasn't the gun used. It means ballistics *cannot* tell you what gun was used, because buckshot.

The same thing applies to riflrs *most* of the time. A bullet surviving intact enough for a positive match is actually unusual.

Fucking semantics , I understand what you keep repeating, Im fully aware of that. and I agree with it . Im not going to keep going through this because you cant seem to understand my point .

Your interpretation of cant be matched/ doesn't match , is nonsense . If you cant match buckshot to the shotgun then the buckshot doesnt match. .True or false? its the same fucking thing said differently. either way you cannot rule out or rule in the weapon.


If I ask you how much the bullet, and fragments weigh, You will say I have no Idea, the report wasnt released. Exactly. you dont know. I dont know. I want to make a decision based on what the coroner pulled out . Because you bet your Paycheck the defense is going to want to know and have their experts examine it themselves . In addition to have the lead itself checked against the fired casing brand , because each manufacturer may have different make ups of the lead they use.

These are legitimate questions any defense lawyer is going to look at

 

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problem is nobody pays any attention, and when you show it to them , they just dismiss it as nothing . willfully blind

 

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problem is nobody pays any attention, and when you show it to them , they just dismiss it as nothing . willfully blind

Yes sir! Sheep be Sheepin it!

 

[Beerman]

This is a dumb argument. It’s like saying that a shit pile doesn’t match the shape of the asshole it tumbled out of, so you can claim that you didn’t shit your pants.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

This is a dumb argument. It’s like saying that a shit pile doesn’t match the shape of the asshole it tumbled out of, so you can claim that you didn’t shit your pants.

jesus christ.....rotflmao

 

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This is a dumb argument. It’s like saying that a shit pile doesn’t match the shape of the asshole it tumbled out of, so you can claim that you didn’t shit your pants.

Impossible, there had to be a second shitter.

 

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This is a dumb argument. It’s like saying that a shit pile doesn’t match the shape of the asshole it tumbled out of, so you can claim that you didn’t shit your pants.

Well ain't that some Shit!

 

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You will say I have no Idea, the report wasnt released.

In your own words. The report wasn't released.
so how would you know there was no exit wound, genious? How would you know they would have "all the fragments" to add up and weigh together?

I want to make a decision based on what the coroner pulled out .

You just said the report wasn't released. So how can you base your b.s. on anything other than your own flawed opinion?

Holy fuck , that has to the stupidest comment Ive heard so far .

Then you should listen to yourself. You'll set new records for "stupidest comment" every time you post.

 

[Robin]

Apparently NY isn't the only shithole!
Robin

 

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Fucking semantics , I understand what you keep repeating, Im fully aware of that. and I agree with it . Im not going to keep going through this because you cant seem to understand my point .

Your interpretation of cant be matched/ doesn't match , is nonsense . If you cant match buckshot to the shotgun then the buckshot doesnt match. .True or false? its the same fucking thing said differently. either way you cannot rule out or rule in the weapon.


If I ask you how much the bullet, and fragments weigh, You will say I have no Idea, the report wasnt released. Exactly. you dont know. I dont know. I want to make a decision based on what the coroner pulled out . Because you bet your Paycheck the defense is going to want to know and have their experts examine it themselves . In addition to have the lead itself checked against the fired casing brand , because each manufacturer may have different make ups of the lead they use.

These are legitimate questions any defense lawyer is going to look at

Because it is absolutely *not* the same thing said differently.

Doesn't match implies that it is proof that it was fired from a different gun.

Can't be matched does not.

2 different phrases with 2 *different* meanings.

 

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In your own words. The report wasn't released.
so how would you know there was no exit wound, genious? How would you know they would have "all the fragments" to add up and weigh together?

Holy Jeeeezus are you fucking for real? Perhaps if you had followed the story from the beginning I wouldnt have to explain this to you like a 12 year old child.
the doctor at the hospital that treated Kirk , said there was no exit wound .

Because the fragments just dont dissapear. If there are no exit wounds then the bullet and fragments have to be in the body ,In addition, a bullet was recovered from the body ,tested, and found to not match the rifle . No bullets were recovered from the podium or ground behind him . or if you have an other rational explanation for it, Im open to hear it

You just said the report wasn't released. So how can you base your b.s. on anything other than your own flawed opinion?

The report wasn't released publicly. It was released to the attorneys, which stated that the bullet didnt match the rifle

thats not my opinion thats a fact.

Then you should listen to yourself. You'll set new records for "stupidest comment" every time you post.

I beg to differ, you definitively have me beat . Problem is ,you didn't pay any attention to the story, You walked in , in the middle of the movie and started screaming ""it was the Butler!"" You dont know what your talking about .

 

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Because it is absolutely *not* the same thing said differently.

Doesn't match implies that it is proof that it was fired from a different gun.

Can't be matched does not.

2 different phrases with 2 *different* meanings.

lol Absolute nonsense . ""Doesn't match"" does not in any way imply proof . it means doesn't match. Its non ambiguous, direct and clear . You implied it has a different meaning . it doesnt . its crystal clear . It means it is uncertain and cannot be proven to have come from that rifle

Thats it! Thats all it means

""Cant be matched"" to the rifle is different phrasing of the same thing .

the only difference in the phrase is doesn't implies a choice , where cannot implies , unable, in this context its inapplicable

He doesnt smoke, choice
he cannot smoke , unable to

Thats about it , its descriptive , an adjective.

 

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lol Absolute nonsense . ""Doesn't match"" does not in any way imply proof . it means doesn't match. Its non ambiguous, direct and clear . You implied it has a different meaning . it doesnt . its crystal clear . It means it is uncertain and cannot be proven to have come from that rifle

Thats it! Thats all it means

""Cant be matched"" to the rifle is different phrasing of the same thing .

the only difference in the phrase is doesn't implies a choice , where cannot implies , unable, in this context its inapplicable

He doesnt smoke, choice
he cannot smoke , unable to

Thats about it , its descriptive , an adjective.

"We knife we found in the defendants car doesn't match the wound on the victim" absolutely implies that it is not the murder weapon.

I honestly never considered that some people wouldn't realize that.


How would you feel if a doctor told you your new grandson's paternity test doesn't match your son ?