Importance of Hard Barrier Penetration
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ECU Pirates
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Like I care what some nerd says. Look what that dope carries. You would hate it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He carries a .357 Magnum flat point I believe. Regardless, he's right about this issue. Other things, I don't agree with him on.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Anyone who has a Star Trek wallet loses all credibility.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What are you talking about? He's a grown assed man!
Uzi
.308 Win
Interesting videos here.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I guess the FBI and various police departments should adopt those calibers then.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Look I'm not saying I shoot through barriers for a living. I'm also not going to discount the probability of never needing to do so. The police don't either. But when they need to, their service caliber is equipped to do the job. I expect no less from the caliber I carry.
There's no way in hell I'm going to deliberately handicap myself.
There's no way in hell I'm going to deliberately handicap myself.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I see. You are one of this people that think the police are 2 seconds away. I don't bet my life on a police rescue. I was trained not to do so.
I ride a train often. There are multiple barriers in a train car. The end doors are thicker than any car or truck door out there. Seats in rows are one on top of the other. If good forbid there is ever a shooter on the train and I'm trapped in a car without a cop in my back pocket, you best believe I will not cower in a corner and hope he doesn't make it to my car.
That's just one scenario that I could be in multiple times a month. Why on earth would i choose a slow caliber with low capacity like a .45 or a .380 in a hollow point configuration that'll not even penetrate enough under normal conditions without a barrier?
I ride a train often. There are multiple barriers in a train car. The end doors are thicker than any car or truck door out there. Seats in rows are one on top of the other. If good forbid there is ever a shooter on the train and I'm trapped in a car without a cop in my back pocket, you best believe I will not cower in a corner and hope he doesn't make it to my car.
That's just one scenario that I could be in multiple times a month. Why on earth would i choose a slow caliber with low capacity like a .45 or a .380 in a hollow point configuration that'll not even penetrate enough under normal conditions without a barrier?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I deleted my previous posts that contained quotes from a person who asked me to do so in case anyone is wondering why I'm talking to myself.
Uzi
.308 Win
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
.380, 9mm, 45 ... ill take anyone of them.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I should change to the .45 then. Question? Will I be okay with a short 3 inch barrel that reduces the velocity to about 750 fps? Will 5 rounds be enough for carry?
Uzi
.308 Win
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Ok. Then. I'll stick to an FBI tested round then. Thanks.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
caliber aside, my preference would be capacity. I'd like to think i'd land all my shots but whomthe hell knows it's a scenario i never wish to face.
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Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
No denying the FBI likes to do there homework but even they have bounced back and forth because there really is not one good answer, take the 45 .. the slower but heavier bullet is better on windshields, the mass and slower speed offer less deflection ... but there's is the whole frying pan thing.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
He just created a new term... "ballistics penetration" ...
..wow youtube!!! ...he almost had me at hello!! ... lol
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Cartelmobile, coming to your US town
Let grandpa take care of that car for you!
Let grandpa take care of that car for you!
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
STF
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Who is this person you keep quoting?
NWRA Rifle Director
NWRA Rifle Director
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
on the .22lr thew a windshield is iffy .. it worked that time .. i shot at a old field car side windows old mid 60 station wagon side windows and
all i got was Zingggggg .. ricochets ...
the best home defense is claymor's , why get up out of bed .. LOL ..
i follow Yankee .. i'm 50/50 on what he says .. but he is fun to watch ..
all i got was Zingggggg .. ricochets ...
the best home defense is claymor's , why get up out of bed .. LOL ..
i follow Yankee .. i'm 50/50 on what he says .. but he is fun to watch ..
Same question. Why can't I see his posts?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yea. Some of what he says I agree with and other stuff he says is completely asinine in my opinion. Yet I believe he is funny. He's very opinionated like me so I relate to him.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Impotence and Hard penetration??
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Shot placement always wins!
For penetration consideration, ie, winter carry, there's none better than. 357Sig @ full spec - 1550fps!
Summer carry when going light, yeah, I carry my .380 with Underwood Hot loads
My 9mm pretty much is neglected lately, sorry to say, lol.
: )
Again, penetration don't mean a thing if you don't hit where you aim! Lol... That is and should be, first priority over what caliber or load you use. Just my $.02
Carry on...
For penetration consideration, ie, winter carry, there's none better than. 357Sig @ full spec - 1550fps!
Summer carry when going light, yeah, I carry my .380 with Underwood Hot loads
My 9mm pretty much is neglected lately, sorry to say, lol.
: )
Again, penetration don't mean a thing if you don't hit where you aim! Lol... That is and should be, first priority over what caliber or load you use. Just my $.02
Carry on...
Uzi
.308 Win
Well, that video was awesome!
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
STF stopping trucks South African Style...
Another example of the importance of speed + momentum.
30 caliber vs "30 caliber"...
Another example of the importance of speed + momentum.
30 caliber vs "30 caliber"...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Shot placement first followed by penetration 2nd. But they both have to be together to work. One cannot work without the other for stopping a threat.Shot placement always wins!
For penetration consideration, ie, winter carry, there's none better than. 357Sig @ full spec - 1550fps!
Summer carry when going light, yeah, I carry my .380 with Underwood Hot loads
My 9mm pretty much is neglected lately, sorry to say, lol.
: )
Again, penetration don't mean a thing if you don't hit where you aim! Lol... That is and should be, first priority over what caliber or load you use. Just my $.02
Carry on...
As far as the .380 goes, you need the right bullet if configured in a hollow point configuration. Speed means nothing if the round overexpands and doesn't penetrate enough. Think a shot through a shoulder trying to hit vitals.
Not all shots can be perfect if the perp doesn't stand still and you need to shoot through a shoulder.