America is gone
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I'm sorry. But I don't see the problem with acknowledging to a U.S. Border Patrol agent, "Yes, I am a U.S. citizen." (Only watched first few seconds, admittedly).
I'm aware of the slippey slope arguments. I'm aware that we "shouldn't have to" answer such questions "too far from the border" (though, with international flights into the interior of the country, where is the border? ).
We as a civilized democratic republic have, through our representatives, empowered law enforcement officers with specific roles.
There is a definite line between being a "freedom rights advocate" and an asshole. Sorry. Just my $0.02.
After all, I'm a constitutional conservative and not an absolutist anarchist.
I'm aware of the slippey slope arguments. I'm aware that we "shouldn't have to" answer such questions "too far from the border" (though, with international flights into the interior of the country, where is the border? ).
We as a civilized democratic republic have, through our representatives, empowered law enforcement officers with specific roles.
There is a definite line between being a "freedom rights advocate" and an asshole. Sorry. Just my $0.02.
After all, I'm a constitutional conservative and not an absolutist anarchist.
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
Had that been me I would have said
YES SIR, I am a proud American Citizen and glad to see you guys out here. Keep up the great work. its nice not to have your hands tied and have the ability to do your job once again. Sir you round them up and put them on a bus and call me it would be my pleasure to drop them off at the border.
YES SIR, I am a proud American Citizen and glad to see you guys out here. Keep up the great work. its nice not to have your hands tied and have the ability to do your job once again. Sir you round them up and put them on a bus and call me it would be my pleasure to drop them off at the border.
I remember reading or hearing before CBP has a ton of authority to basically stop or question anyone withing 100 miles of land border. Typically this is far more common near the southern border and they have even been known to set up check points on roads.
In theory they could do the same near the northern border but in practice I've never once seen it. The most I see border patrol is parked along the Niagara river or lake Erie stating off into the water.
I've seen Border Patrol stops around the Plattsburg area on the interstate.
My issue is with F'in illegals walking around in this Country while I need a Passport or enhanced licence to go to Canada or on a Cruise somewhere.
How about the fact that we all have to go through massive screening at our airports yet Millions of illegals still walk around? What an F'in joke!
Let's get some voter ID requirements in place too. F'in Monkeys running the show years past.
How about the fact that we all have to go through massive screening at our airports yet Millions of illegals still walk around? What an F'in joke!
Let's get some voter ID requirements in place too. F'in Monkeys running the show years past.
spat
.950 JDJ
International airports are considered "a border", so that makes the vast majority of the country "within 100 miles of the border". So, essentially, if your 4th amendment rights are too much of an inconvenience, just bring a CBP officer (assuming you can't find a DEC officer I suppose...)
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
It has been legal precedent since day one of the USA that Customs has special rule exemptions and were not bound by the Constitution.
Remember before the "progressives" stated taxing everything that isn't bolted down and the creation of the income tax. US Government revenue came from duties and taxes of goods crossing the border and whiskey.
Therefore Customs does not need a search warrant to search if a matter of National Security and what could be more National Security than not getting taxes.
After 9-11 The merged US Border Patrol with Customs and the US Border Patrol has new found power. Then they merged Customs into DHS. How convenient.
Do you see where this is going?
Remember before the "progressives" stated taxing everything that isn't bolted down and the creation of the income tax. US Government revenue came from duties and taxes of goods crossing the border and whiskey.
Therefore Customs does not need a search warrant to search if a matter of National Security and what could be more National Security than not getting taxes.
After 9-11 The merged US Border Patrol with Customs and the US Border Patrol has new found power. Then they merged Customs into DHS. How convenient.
Do you see where this is going?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm split on this. Considering the immigration problems we are having, I would say stops within the border make a certain amount of sense. Once the immigration problem gets better, I would expect these kind of check points to be limited to the border (Airports,ports Etc.) But the slope is one of creating a perpetual immigration problem to justify the existence and ever tightening restrictions on free travel and fourth amendment rights.
spat
.950 JDJ
Customs exceptions applied to people who are actually in the process of crossing the border is one thing. Applying them to 99% of the people 100% of the time, even if they *never* crossed a border is another thing entirely.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
I wouldn't be as troubled about being potentially stopped and asked for my papers if, when an illegal is encountered, their ass is deported. They may be doing that now.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You guys aren't getting it or didn't watch the whole video but felt a need to comment.
These Border Patrol checkpoints harass Americans. Watch the numerous videos online. They ask the driver their citizenship on his way to work or going home. There are multiple checkpoints they have to go through throughout the day. When the driver refuses to answer, and tells him in words without an accent that they refuse to answer the question, they detain him or her because how dare they question their authority knowing full well that the person who refuses to answer the question and refers to the US Consitution is an American citizen.
It's a stupid game where no papers are presented. You either answer yes or no to the question if are you an American citizen and that's it.
Fuck that. What's wrong with you people? You guys are okay with giving up your liberties?Why don't they put those agents on the actual border instead of harassing Americans going about their business 100 miles away from the border who never crossed it?
These Border Patrol checkpoints harass Americans. Watch the numerous videos online. They ask the driver their citizenship on his way to work or going home. There are multiple checkpoints they have to go through throughout the day. When the driver refuses to answer, and tells him in words without an accent that they refuse to answer the question, they detain him or her because how dare they question their authority knowing full well that the person who refuses to answer the question and refers to the US Consitution is an American citizen.
It's a stupid game where no papers are presented. You either answer yes or no to the question if are you an American citizen and that's it.
Fuck that. What's wrong with you people? You guys are okay with giving up your liberties?Why don't they put those agents on the actual border instead of harassing Americans going about their business 100 miles away from the border who never crossed it?
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Here's another one. Because he didn't say "yes", they detain him for their circus investigation.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Here's another one on your way to work 60 miles from the border on US soil.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I could barely understand the first officer. Maybe the guy in the truck should've asked him the same questions.
About15 years ago, my boss at the time and I weee driving in the middle of the Adirondacks between Natural Bridge and Gouverneur when we crested a hill and were onfronted by an immigration checkpoint and state police roadblock.
They demanded to search our car and wanted to know where we were going and what we were doing there. We ID'd ourselves and said we were on business in the area.
It was a bit unnerving coming up on a road lock suddenly in the absolute middle of nowhere manned by about 20 officers with long guns at the ready.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Guilty until proven innocent.
Papers!!
Papers!!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
These videos and encounters are nothing new Will. I've seen videos like this before. Given the immigration situation, I can understand the premise of these check points. However, like all things between LEO and citizen, there is always going to be friction and a push and pull in regard to officer safety, what the job they are tasked with is and how it plays into civil rights. I never said I was 100% gung ho for these types of stops, I have very mixed feelings about them. In fact I feel like the vast majority of LEO agencies in this country are not necessary and only add to government bureaucracy and overreach on both the state and federal level. I honestly feel like it should be Sheriff's and US Marshal's and that's it. No FBI, TSA, DHS, BLM, ATF, ABC, DEFG, HIJK, LMNOP. The less armed or even non-armed government agencies the better. We want a stronger border though, so what is the best way to accomplish this? Maybe not these check points, but at some point in some way, in order to weed out the illegal aliens, legal us citizens will encounter these things and be affected by them.
minderasr
6.5 Creedmoor
A dick move. A simple yes and they would've been on their way.
Not too fond of this shit really but here's a map of the so called "Constitution-free zone". From the ACLU (FUACLU), a bunch of freedom lovers. Much of this zone is in Libtardville.
As with so many conversations on this forum; so much ignorance of what the laws really are as well as the Rights that you think you know.
Learn the real truth. Learn what is required by law and what is not. Understand what the Border Patrol Agents are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do.
Knowledge is power. Know your Rights and stay within them.
Learn the real truth. Learn what is required by law and what is not. Understand what the Border Patrol Agents are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do.
Knowledge is power. Know your Rights and stay within them.
Bushmaster
.308 Win
Yup, last I checked was way back with Obama, and he pretty much striped them of any real power. Hell they came across with 20lbs of weed, let them go sending them back with a slap. But yet here in US if some US kid had a joint on him he gets nailed with misdemeanor.
spat
.950 JDJ
The problem is when officers get "offended" by people who want to exercise their rights, and decide to single them out.
Just because the last 20 people were willing to waive a right gives you no right to expect #21 to do so as well.
Couple this with a situation where things are only acceptable because officers don't exercise all their power to harrass or detain most of the time and you have a situation ripe for abuse.
spat
.950 JDJ
Now add every international airport to that, you're not left with much that isn't orange.
While I take issue with these types of checkpoints, I take more issue with those types of respondents. Not going to lie.
If you don't like the laws, there are ways to address that beyond actively ensuring that every applicable law will be enforced upon you due to your attitude.
If you don't like the laws, there are ways to address that beyond actively ensuring that every applicable law will be enforced upon you due to your attitude.
You are correct. There are some officers throughout different agencies that get offended when called out.
My statement early of knowing your Rights goes equal for all. Regular guys out and about or cops doing their jobs.
Knowledge is good for all. The guy, for example, going through the checkpoint as well as the officers working it.
Day444
.223 Rem
Dam, just say yes and be on your way!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Why a yes? When the person says in english that he doesn't want to answer any questions, that should be it. At that point, the investigation is over.
What difference does it make if he says yes or if he says he'd rather not answer? What they are looking for is an accent. It doesn't matter if you say yes. It's harassment after that just to make them say the particular word "yes".
You guys don't see that? It's a dog and pony show. If I'm not a citizen and say yes without an accent, I'm on my way. They are not really checking anything.
You guys are so quick to turn over and expose your bellies. Try that 4 times a day to and from work. I wouldn't play their game either.
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