Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Powered scopes on everything is the mark of an amateur. Just saying.
Legality of "Featureless Rifles" in NYS
- Thread starter Uzi
- Start date
So another observation if you will:
Is a collapsible stock really collapsible or is it really just extendable?
Take a stock that has six adjustment points. Is the forward most point (closest to the receiver) the starting point or the ending point? if it is the starting point it cannot collapse any further, only extend to be longer.
Think of it as the youth position. A youth stock is not considered a "collapsed" stock so why would the forward position on an AR be considered collapsible?
Really, I don't care but these things are just funny questions to ask the "experts" and the "politicians."
Is a collapsible stock really collapsible or is it really just extendable?
Take a stock that has six adjustment points. Is the forward most point (closest to the receiver) the starting point or the ending point? if it is the starting point it cannot collapse any further, only extend to be longer.
Think of it as the youth position. A youth stock is not considered a "collapsed" stock so why would the forward position on an AR be considered collapsible?
Really, I don't care but these things are just funny questions to ask the "experts" and the "politicians."
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Or how about a silencer? It doesn't silence anything or a handguard not being a grip. It was designed to be gripped.
This is what happens when law makers write laws about things they know nothing about.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Or bad eyesight! Wait til your Older Jr. LOL!!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I mean in regards to close distance shooting. My buddy from work had a 10x60 scope set up for deer hunting on a .308 but the property he hunted on was all wooded with no more than 25 yards of visibility.
He told me he needed to get a revolver for when the deer were right up on him next to his stand because he couldn't find them on his scope. I told him why not just get a red dot so you are good from 0 to 300 yards?
Last edited:
As always... my periodic pointing out that laws aren't held to semantics of a word here or a word there. The intent of the law is what matters in the justice system.
If a company calls their product a "suppressor", but the law calls it a "silencer", the "suppressor" doesn't magically become legal. Just as much as slapping a font grip on a short barrelled AR with the stick removed then saying it was made that way doesn't make that legal either.
If a company calls their product a "suppressor", but the law calls it a "silencer", the "suppressor" doesn't magically become legal. Just as much as slapping a font grip on a short barrelled AR with the stick removed then saying it was made that way doesn't make that legal either.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't think that's entirely true. Look at the gravity knife law that NYC takes literal even though it wasn't intended to be used for folding knives.
I haven't checked this thread in a while....
Different issue, and I get your point, but your example further illustrates what I am saying.
You guys parse each word as if those words specifically are exactly how a law is enforced in reality. My point is that is not how it works.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Oh. But it does. There is nothing stopping NYS 20 years from now if the whole state gets infected like NYC did and start arresting open carriers in the woods hunting.
The law says you cannot even though there is no way to hunt unless you do.
That's what happened with the gravity knife. Years ago, folding knives were legal in NYC. Not now since they took the english word in the law literal no matter what the previous intent was when it was written.
The law says you cannot even though there is no way to hunt unless you do.
That's what happened with the gravity knife. Years ago, folding knives were legal in NYC. Not now since they took the english word in the law literal no matter what the previous intent was when it was written.
You're using another example to muddy what I am saying. They are not the same issue.
Go back to my example of "silencer". We all know they are called "suppressors", but if the law bans "silencers", you better believe that showing your reciept that says "suppressor" isn't going to change a thing.
Similarly with this Franklin Armory contraption. As far as the Safe Act and other relevent NY law is concerned, it's an AR pistol with a front grip installed. It would be ridiculously easy for any DA to explain that in court, and impossible to convince a jury otherwise just because you slapped a front grip on it, from the factory or not.
Go back to my example of "silencer". We all know they are called "suppressors", but if the law bans "silencers", you better believe that showing your reciept that says "suppressor" isn't going to change a thing.
Similarly with this Franklin Armory contraption. As far as the Safe Act and other relevent NY law is concerned, it's an AR pistol with a front grip installed. It would be ridiculously easy for any DA to explain that in court, and impossible to convince a jury otherwise just because you slapped a front grip on it, from the factory or not.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I agree. I'm just saying that there are examples of using the law literally based on what's on the agenda of whoever wants to use it like that.
Unfortunately, agendas always affect human endeavors.
If you have to live in NY, why not just obey the laws ? Bringing my AUG into NY is no different than driving 120 mph on the thruway or cooking meth in your garage. All are illegal.
You'll never change the laws in NY and they could get worse. Believe it or not nobody HAS to stay in NY. If your freedom to own things illegal in NY is the most important thing to you .... pack up and leave. The Democraps run the state and will do so until the asteroid hits.
Fun to bitch, not worth going to jail over it.
You'll never change the laws in NY and they could get worse. Believe it or not nobody HAS to stay in NY. If your freedom to own things illegal in NY is the most important thing to you .... pack up and leave. The Democraps run the state and will do so until the asteroid hits.
Fun to bitch, not worth going to jail over it.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
How in the heck are you so sure it'll be an asteroid?
I don't follow gun laws except what FFL's block. Period.
Bozo
.45 acp
So, let's suppose your state legislature decides that AUG is evil incarnate, and in the dead of night (before many legislators even have time to read the bill) enacts a complete ban. No grandfathering, no exemptions . Turn it in or be charged with a felony. What would you do?
Previously, you were a law-abiding citizen. Nothing has changed, but now you are suddenly the bad guy. Sure, you can keep your bolt-action rifles, but waiting in the wings are such reasonable proposals as limiting you to the purchase of twice its loaded capacity in a rolling 90-day period.
Everytime it is necessary to clean an AR bolt, I ask myself why the hell I want them anyway.