The '77 NRA Revolution. And why it won't happen again.

[Podmonkey]

Ever since the USCAA lockout I have been unhappy with LaPiere's NRA.
After the bumpfire thing I have cancelled my membership.
If the NRA cant be fixed let it die on the vine, I'm moving my support to the GOA too.

 

[Burzum]

Don't worry, they will find you, expect calls all hours of the day for the next two years; one of my friends once said it is easier to leave the Church of Scientology than the NRA.

 

[Podmonkey]

Don't worry, they will find you, expect calls all hours of the day for the next two years; one of my friends once said it is easier to leave the Church of Scientology than the NRA.

I had been getting weekly calls. I finally told the girl that I didn't like what LaPeire was doing, I didn't at all approve of how they called for the bumpfire stock ATF review and as a result Wayne and the NRA could fuck off. The phone girl said I would be taken off the call list, I told em to take me off the mailing list too.

 

[Cureforcancer]

So the NRA is as broken as the DNC and the RNC is?

No shit.

 

[Podmonkey]

So the NRA is as broken as the DNC and the RNC is?

No shit.

Its just more obvious to NYers is all.

 

[kev74]

I didn't watch the video yet, but the logo they have there is from the National Recovery Act.

 

[Acer-m14]

YM has been really stirring up a good shit storm the last few weeks .. calling out a few gun channels on you tube over what the NRA did on the B-Stock and shit .. ..

 

[libertysnake]

You know, I think a lot of the issue when it comes to making change is that people are scared. They see it as a daunting challenge, and their voice to mean almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's all mentality. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you make no effort, expect to get no results.

That's why I'm moving my support to GOA probably going forward.

We also need some serious reform of some of these groups. If you want to attract younger millennials, you have to appeal to them somehow. You don't need to spout their bullshit cuck views, but we need to start being inclusive of people we wouldn't normally be. It can't just be fudds in lodges if we want to have people see firearms in the correct light.

 

[Podmonkey]

You know, I think a lot of the issue when it comes to making change is that people are scared. They see it as a daunting challenge, and their voice to mean almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's all mentality. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you make no effort, expect to get no results.

That's why I'm moving my support to GOA probably going forward.

We also need some serious reform of some of these groups. If you want to attract younger millennials, you have to appeal to them somehow. You don't need to spout their bullshit cuck views, but we need to start being inclusive of people we wouldn't normally be. It can't just be fudds in lodges if we want to have people see firearms in the correct light.

Who's not being inclusive? The NRA picked up Colin Noir as a "special spokesperson" and Danna Loech. The NRA sucks but they were working the demographics. Personally I love seeing people outside the sterotype at the range and my favorite thing to do is take first timers out shooting.
At my recent class there was a couple origianally from China and I thought was out-fucking-standing that they were all about enjoying and excersing their 2A freedoms.

 

[libertysnake]

Who's not being conclusive? The NRA picked up Colin Noir as a "special spokesperson" and Danna Loech. The NRA sucks but they were working the demographics. Personally I love seeing people outside the sterotype at the range and my favorite thing to do is take first timers out shooting.
At my recent class there was a couple origianally from China and I thought was out-fucking-standing that they were all about enjoying and excersing their 2A freedoms.

I think Noir is a nice guy. He's not always the best speaker, but you can tell he's into the culture. He speaking the language of millenials exactly his age. So it's a good step. But that's only one step.

Honestly, and this is just my experience when I was looking around for ranges, most of the time people in the pro-2A community come off as cold towards young people. It's not an immediate warmness. When I was looking around for ranges, I think I visited a good 10 ranges before I wound up at the current rod and gun club I belong to. That's why I chose them. We had a beer, talked about the common shit we both can relate to, and hit things off.

Now, that being said, even the range I belong to isn't the same sort of vibe and atmosphere millenials will get from other millenials. Especially not the hipster like millenials down in NYC. It's a different mentality all together. I should know, because I wind up working at a lot of these Google-esc tech companies. They're soft. They're generally into different things. I'm in a hybrid position in which I can really relate to upstate, having grown up here, while working in the atmosphere of NYC. That's where the disconnect is.

That being said, it doesn't mean you have to make every lodge full of minimalist furniture, and remove all the trophy mounted animal busts. But have a side that appeals that ... aesthetic, that you want to attract. Have a logical grouping of those people as a "part" of an organization, while still maintaining it as a whole. Carve a space out for millenials they can relate to, and you'll attract them.

Hopefully I'm making some degree of sense here.

 

[Acer-m14]

The NRA picked up Colin Noir as a "special spokesperson" and Danna Loech

And don't forget Julie Golob ... S n W shooter and NRA show .. Love at First Shot .. season 4 to come soon .. cant wait ..

all the Gun Groups .. NRA .. GOA ...SCOPE .. NY pistol something LOL .. needs to start yelling .. its not the damn gun .. its the person ..
5 teens up for murder for a ROCK ... ok lets ban ROCKS .. none of these groups have done that .. just pussy foot around ..

 

[Cooolone]

Isn't it amusing that the fact an organization needs to exist in order to lobby representatives for your "Rights"?

Does anyone else see the ridiculousness of this?

An opportunistic organization feeding off the concern that they will lose them? I see it as nothing but leeches...

 

[Podmonkey]

I think Noir is a nice guy. He's not always the best speaker, but you can tell he's into the culture. He speaking the language of millenials exactly his age. So it's a good step. But that's only one step.

Honestly, and this is just my experience when I was looking around for ranges, most of the time people in the pro-2A community come off as cold towards young people. It's not an immediate warmness. When I was looking around for ranges, I think I visited a good 10 ranges before I wound up at the current rod and gun club I belong to. That's why I chose them. We had a beer, talked about the common shit we both can relate to, and hit things off.

Now, that being said, even the range I belong to isn't the same sort of vibe and atmosphere millenials will get from other millenials. Especially not the hipster like millenials down in NYC. It's a different mentality all together. I should know, because I wind up working at a lot of these Google-esc tech companies. They're soft. They're generally into different things. I'm in a hybrid position in which I can really relate to upstate, having grown up here, while working in the atmosphere of NYC. That's where the disconnect is.

That being said, it doesn't mean you have to make every lodge full of minimalist furniture, and remove all the trophy mounted animal busts. But have a side that appeals that ... aesthetic, that you want to attract. Have a logical grouping of those people as a "part" of an organization, while still maintaining it as a whole. Carve a space out for millenials they can relate to, and you'll attract them.

Hopefully I'm making some degree of sense here.

We live in very different worlds then. I'm 100% blue collar, Carhartt and work boots trucker here. I have a hard rime relating to white collar office Millenieals myself. But I'm always happy to set aside all differences on the range. The range is my happy place. I'm all zenned out during my shooting.

 

[Phazer]

I didn't watch the video yet, but the logo they have there is from the National Recovery Act.

I was wondering how educated the video's producer could be if they simply included images with "NRA" featured prominently and was unaware as to what the historic images really represented. They probably have no knowledge about the New Deal era "National Recovery Act" that was also known as the "NRA."

 

[kev74]

I watched the video and have come to the following conclusion...

That guy is an idiot. To start, he used a piece of propaganda from one of Roosevelt's New Deal programs because he's to lazy and stupid to do a little research before he made his video.

He was right that there was an NRA annual meeting in 1977, and that it was held in Cincinnati. I'll even agree that the NRA has taken steps to insulate itself from last minute takeover attempts, even though he was too lazy to research how they did it.

Everything else was unsubstantiated rumor bullshit.

 

[libertysnake]

We live in very different worlds then. I'm 100% blue collar, Carhartt and work boots trucker here. I have a hard rime relating to white collar office Millenieals myself. But I'm always happy to set aside all differences on the range. The range is my happy place. I'm all zenned out during my shooting.

You'd be surprised how common it is to find people in the tech world who have very blue collar hobbies. My boss does woodworking on the weekends and builds custom furniture in his wood shop when he's home on the weekends. Another coworker of mine builds decks on the weekends / does light construction work. Another works on tuning cars and does custom work on the weekend. It's that uncommon to find shit like this.

I didn't wind up spending my spare time giving a fuck about dumb ass youtube shit or avocado toast. I come home and I'm fixing stupid marks on walls, re-caulking the tub, waxing an old jacket for winter -- that sort of stuff. I'm not staring a computer screen in my spare time a lot of the time.

So don't think just because people have a certain aesthetic / workplace that they might not share something in common. Whether at work or at home, a lot of tech people enjoy building shit -- whether it's with code, wood, or metal. Think about that.

 

[eagleridge357]

Ok I'll bite. I'll switch from NRA to GOA if you can give me good reasons to do so. Fire at will (yeah, poor Will)

 

[kev74]

Ok I'll bite. I'll switch from NRA to GOA if you can give me good reasons to do so. Fire at will (yeah, poor Will)

You can support both. It doesn't have to be either or.

For what its worth, I support NRA, GOA, SAF & SCOPE.

 

[eagleridge357]

So those of you who have abandoned NRA in favor of another org, what is your primary reason

 

[Marine Cpl]

So those of you who have abandoned NRA in favor of another org, what is your primary reason

No taxation without representation. I don't support any of them.

 

[Bob]

And don't forget Julie Golob ... S n W shooter and NRA show .. Love at First Shot .. season 4 to come soon .. cant wait ..

Don't forget she's a NY native. Born and raised in Moravia, at the south end of Owasco Lake. She also announced two days ago that she's running for the Board of Directors for the NRA.

 

[Podmonkey]

I watched the video and have come to the following conclusion...

That guy is an idiot. To start, he used a piece of propaganda from one of Roosevelt's New Deal programs because he's to lazy and stupid to do a little research before he made his video.

He was right that there was an NRA annual meeting in 1977, and that it was held in Cincinnati. I'll even agree that the NRA has taken steps to insulate itself from last minute takeover attempts, even though he was too lazy to research how they did it.

Everything else was unsubstantiated rumor bullshit.

So those of you who have abandoned NRA in favor of another org, what is your primary reason

The simple fact that the NRA is not really defending our rights. They use crisis as a fundrasing tool. The NRA is in the buisness of making money, nothing else.

 

[Burzum]

Every gun owner should support the SAF or Second Amendment Foundation, it is super cheap maybe $15 annually for the basic membership and they litigate the hell out of state, federal, and local governments on behalf of the 2nd. Amendment.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Every gun owner should support the SAF or Second Amendment Foundation, it is super cheap maybe $15 annually for the basic membership and they litigate the hell out of state, federal, and local governments on behalf of the 2nd. Amendment.

I understand that. I really do. But Alan Gura seems to only concentrate on D.C.

Until someone takes up a NY case, they get nothing from me. I'm tired of being put the side because well it's just NY.

 

[Podmonkey]

I understand that. I really do. But Alan Gura seems to only concentrate on D.C.

Until someone takes up a NY case, they get nothing from me. I'm tired of being put the side because well it's just NY.

That's a bit shortsighted though don't you think?
But I agree in a way. Seems that the real battlegrounds are at the state and local levels. We should target these battleground areas for our financial support too

 

[Marine Cpl]

That's a bit shortsighted though don't you think?
But I agree in a way. Seems that the real battlegrounds are at the state and local levels. We should target these battleground areas for our financial support too

I don't see it as short sighted at all. I'm living it and they don't care. Someone has to suffer to scare the others and generate money. That someone is me. It's been me since the Sullivan Act in 1911. Since that someone is me, they get nothing.

National laws mean nothing to me. I actually want them to come. Until that happens, we continue being the scapegoat and get no help.

 

[Darth]

Ok, I'll bite:

I'll take a bite of the dry, crusty topside of the dog turd stuck to the sidewalk if someone can convince me not to just bite the warm, sticky underside of said turd.

Because just not eating the turd would be preposterous.

 

[libertysnake]

I understand that. I really do. But Alan Gura seems to only concentrate on D.C.

Until someone takes up a NY case, they get nothing from me. I'm tired of being put the side because well it's just NY.

I'm going to have to agree here. I'm not giving additional money to anyone who isn't at least trying to fight for rights where they're being taken.

We shouldn't be trying to lose as little rights as possible each time some event happens. I don't want to hold the line. I want the fucking George Patton of gun rights groups always going on the offense trying to bring us back to pre-1934 levels.