EDIT: Fake story - Told to surrender firearms for not renewing permit

[Commander Zero]

How about the fact that my permit has apparently been revoked? Can they actually do this? I do not want to lose my ability to even own firearms in this state over some political bs. What can be done to reverse this completely unconstitutional violation of my rights?

 

[FLA45fan]

Lawyer up . . .

 

[71velle]

We all know that you handguns are in the state of VT where they are perfectly legal. And try to stay calm and work thought the problem. The most difficult part will be talking to a person who can actually help. Hopefully you dont need to pay a lawyer. I would start with the county judge and be easy going and respectful. You want to get this resolved as easily and smoothly as possible.

 

[Uzi]

How about the fact that my permit has apparently been revoked? Can they actually do this? I do not want to lose my ability to even own firearms in this state over some political bs. What can be done to reverse this completely unconstitutional violation of my rights?

I had thought this immediately when I clicked on this thread. I believe you should make sure that what the police stated was not just handguns that they asked to be surrendered. Your right to own rifles and shotguns, and "firearms" in NYS remians unchanged unless you've been convicted of a crime. There is video evidence showing statements made by police stating that you will NOT be in the wrong for unknowingly not registering and you might want to inquire further into that regardless of jurisdictions. Having your firearms in VT is enough to cover your own ass for now without repercussions. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to purchase or hold onto your non pistols at all in any event right now legally speaking. Now is the time to get that pistol permit corrected though, do whatever you need to do otherwise then you will be shit out of luck.

 

[Commander Zero]

I had thought this immediately when I clicked on this thread. I believe you should make sure that what the police stated was not just handguns that they asked to be surrendered. Your right to own rifles and shotguns, and "firearms" in NYS remians unchanged unless you've been convicted of a crime. There is video evidence showing statements made by police stating that you will NOT be in the wrong for unknowingly not registering and you might want to inquire further into that regardless of jurisdictions. Having your firearms in VT is enough to cover your own ass for now without repercussions. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to purchase or hold onto your non pistols at all in any event right now legally speaking. Now is the time to get that pistol permit corrected though, do whatever you need to do otherwise then you will be shit out of luck.

They clearly told me (and even emphasized) that all firearms including rifles and shotguns must be turned in. Apparently it is some sort of new law that applies only to people have their permits revoked.

 

[Marine Cpl]

They asked to see the permit and called a higher up.

1. Your permit has no information on it about recertification.

2. What higher up? A sheriff has no access to that information. The state police themselves have no access to that as well. They still haven't gotten to all the piles of paperwork and they know that people don't know and have said that they wouldn't hold it against you.

3. The sheriff cannot revoke a permit. A judge can and there is a process for it.

OP. I call BS.

Everyone else. You've been trolled!

 

[Robin]

It takes 6-8 months to get a permit and 15 minutes to revoke it? I don't think any branch of government is that efficient, no way that office contacted the judges office, actually talked to the judge and he verbally gives them the okay to threaten you with total gun confiscation! No way! Most likely someone, maybe (probably) the county clerk him, or her self, probably anti gun, made that decision on their own. They have no legal authority to do that. go on line and re-cert and at least have that base covered. God speed!
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

Not sure if I am on board for all that has been said today in this thread.

Only a Judge can do this. Not by word of mouth either. There needs to be some sort of court order. The Sheriff does not have the power to do what is being said.

I am gonna sit back as see how all this turns out.....

 

[masterswimmer]

OP, you claim your constitutional rights are in jeopardy of being violated and your first inclination is to join an unknown, online, firearms forum for legal advice.

Nuff said. I call BS with a capital B and a capital S.

 

[Uzi]

They clearly told me (and even emphasized) that all firearms including rifles and shotguns must be turned in. Apparently it is some sort of new law that applies only to people have their permits revoked.

Sounds like they made up a law then. Unless you've been convicted of a felony, which you have not, they have no right to take away your constitutionally protected right of firearms ownership outside of the handgun classification in NYS (arguably unconstitutional as well). They're in the wrong right now if they told you that.

 

[Commander Zero]

They asked to see the permit and called a higher up.

1. Your permit has no information on it about recertification.

2. What higher up? A sheriff has no access to that information. The state police themselves have no access to that as well. They still haven't gotten to all the piles of paperwork and they know that people don't know and have said that they wouldn't hold it against you.

3. The sheriff cannot revoke a permit. A judge can and there is a process for it.

OP. I call BS.

Everyone else. You've been trolled!

Well she was behind a computer so maybe she looked up my info. Then again I already admitted that I was there to renew my permit and that it had expired so I don't see why your first point would be a surprise. I have no idea who she could have spoken to........but maybe it was the judge by some chance?

 

[Joe Blow]

Not sure if I am on board for all that has been said today in this thread. Only a Judge can do this. Not by word of mouth either. There needs to be some sort of court order. The Sheriff does not have the power to do what is being said.
I am gonna sit back as see how all this turns out.....

Yep... As stated earlier a clerk in a pistol permit office does not have the authority to initiate the firearms revocation of a person who didn't recertify his/her pistol permit. The OP isn't completely forthcoming with information.

 

[masterswimmer]

Well she was behind a computer so maybe she looked up my info. Then again I already admitted that I was there to renew my permit and that it had expired so I don't see why your first point would be a surprise. I have no idea who she could have spoken to........but maybe it was the judge by some chance?

Really? And looking at your permit, what expiration date is recorded on it?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[Commander Zero]

Perhaps I misspoke.........here is a more detailed version of my encounter at the sheriff's office. I walked in and said that I was there to renew my permit (really just to inquire about it initially). They then asked me if I had my permit for longer than 5 years. I told them yes, and they asked me if I had rectified it by the end of last month. I told them no and they asked to see my permit. After looking me up in whatever database they have, the clerk asks me to wait there and goes to speak to some other individual, who then makes a phone call. Perhaps my permit was already revoked because I did not rectify and they were just informing me then. I didn't stick around long enough to get anymore clarification.

 

[Marine Cpl]

 

[Cureforcancer]

I held 2 residences since i moved out from NY. I was able to keep my permit even with a Tx address after an amendment for my NY permit. About a month ago i received another letter stating i need to surrender my firearms.

Imo Safe act kicked in @ full gear with the whole recertify bs.

My NY permit is now revoked. I have confirmed. FU-AC and your cronies.

 

[Cureforcancer]

Op imo you will probably have to re-apply for your gun permit if you want to legally own handguns again in NYS. Good luck.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Tell them you are a VT resident and was turning your NY permit in and they made a mistake by going after you're VT permitted handguns/long guns. They have no jurisdiction to take your VT guns away if you are a legal VT resident. Your NY permit is now void and with the VT backup, who cares.

 

[Marine Cpl]

View attachment 24921 I held 2 residences since i moved out from NY. I was able to keep my permit even with a Tx address after an amendment for my NY permit. About a month ago i received another letter stating i need to surrender my firearms.

Imo Safe act kicked in @ full gear with the whole recertify bs.

My NY permit is now revoked. I have confirmed. FU-AC and your cronies.

Westchester is different. They've had 5 year renewals from the beginning. That's a county issue.

 

[Cureforcancer]

Westchester is different. They've had 5 year renewals from the beginning. That's a county issue.

Maybe. Impossible to understand NY gun laws either way.

 

[David D]

If you permeant address is out of NYS your permit needs to be turned in. Worse case is you may need to reapply.

That is not the case. My son once lived in NY and while a resident, he obtained his permit. Since then, he moved out of state and during this time, his permit was due to be recertified. He was allowed to recertify even though he lives out of state. Go to the NYSP web site, it gives instructions for people with NY permits who live out of state to recertify. They have to fill out the paper form and send in a copy of his current out of state drivers license.

 

[Commander Zero]

Tell them you are a VT resident and was turning your NY permit in and they made a mistake by going after you're VT permitted handguns/long guns. They have no jurisdiction to take your VT guns away if you are a legal VT resident. Your NY permit is now void and with the VT backup, who cares.

Not really, there are no permits in VT and I have no other state permits. Hence, I have no reciprocity in states outside of Vermont, and this revocation will prevent me from getting any out of state permits in the future.

 

[dsdmmat]

Not really, there are no permits in VT and I have no other state permits. Hence, I have no reciprocity in states outside of Vermont, and this revocation will prevent me from getting any out of state permits in the future.

Lawyer up and get your constitutionally protected property out of the PRNY.

 

[masterswimmer]

After looking me up in whatever database they have, the clerk asks me to wait there and goes to speak to some other individual, who then makes a phone call. Perhaps my permit was already revoked because I did not rectify and they were just informing me then. I didn't stick around long enough to get anymore clarification.

There are thousands upon thousands of paper recertifications that have not been entered into the system yet and won't be input for many many months. The PP office would have no idea whatsoever at this time that your permit was revoked. So your claim that it was probably revoked already continues to shed doubt on this entire claim.

I continue with my call for capital B and capital S.

 

[Cureforcancer]

There are thousands upon thousands of paper recertifications that have not been entered into the system yet and won't be input for many many months. The PP office would have no idea whatsoever at this time that your permit was revoked. So your claim that it was probably revoked already continues to shed doubt on this entire claim.

I continue with my call for capital B and capital S.

If he has a NY state Leo “run it” it can be confirmed.

 

[99cummins]

If this is true, lawyer up. Yesterday. As had been said, a judge has to go through a process to revoke a permit. While I believe there are some anti gun clerks and sheriffs in power that would love to pull permits, I question if they would do what is being claimed.

 

[Robin]

You left out a detail in your more detailed narrative. Did the clerk you spoke with return your permit?
Robin

 

[M_F]

IF you do not have a NYS Driver's license or a NY Non-Driver's ID issued by the DMV you cannot recertify online and would have to mail in a paper form with a copy of your VT driver's license. Good Luck.

Firearms - Pistol/Revolver License Recertification

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Sounds almost like the PP clerk was reading from a form letter. Well, IF all this is true...a lawyer's legal advice is worth a lot more than what anyone can suggest on a forum. That said...IF you are a resident of Vermont and IF none of your handguns or long guns are now or were possessed in the State of NY after your PP renewal/recert date, then it's simply not possible to be in 'criminal possession of a weapon' in the State of New York. Whether they like it or not, NY's jurisdiction ends at the state line. Also, a judge of competent jurisdiction's signature would be required somehow somewhere to legally revoke your PP. Seems to me the worst consequence would be the eventual revocation of your PP for failure to renew.

 

[Jmac00]

They clearly told me (and even emphasized) that all firearms including rifles and shotguns must be turned in. Apparently it is some sort of new law that applies only to people have their permits revoked.

The state has no clue what rifles or shotguns you own, I WOULD NOT BE TURNING THOSE IN, period. I would also just say the handguns are in Vermont.

But as long as you own property in NYS, you can maintain your permit. You need to have a conversation with a judge.

just remember the goal of New Yorkistan is to remove every single firearm from the state.