Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

[Chuck D]

in fairness, no one called him their messiah, but I get your point. i remember the discussions before the election too, and we all were hopeful that we would get suppressors and reciprocity considering we would have a "republican" president and congress. there is nothing wrong with being hopeful, especially when faced with the alternative of hitlery.

even if someone is a 1 issue voter (which i see nothing wrong with if thats what they feel), we had trump saying he would strengthen the 2a and hitlery who would further restrict it, we simply had to vote for Trump and take our chances.

Now, if any of this crap ends up passing with Trumps support, and a gun owner says in good conscience that its a good thing or they support his decision, then they are not a true 2a supporter.

frankly, all the "i told you so" about Trump and this latest nonsense is childish (imo) because gun owners didnt really have a choice.

Not true....I did call him the "messiah" and I still do.

As this plays out, you'll find out why.

There are TONS more issues at stake here than Fix NICS and restricting access to certain firearms to the UNDER 21 customer base.

How about corruption at the highest levels of Gov't and Law Enforcement ?

How about the economy, jobs, and infrastructure repair ?

How about ILLEGAL immigration ?

How about Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and North Korea ?

Would we be better off under Hillary ?

So....still think Trump isn't a "Messiah?"

 

[Celt]

At what age can you apply for a NYS Pistol Permit ?

Why arent you harping about that.

At no point did I EVER day nor did Trump advocate denial of due process so that point is moot .

...and no, I dont want myself associated with violent mental defects, habitual criminal offenders, bullies, rapists, or domestic violence offenders.

pistol permits should have been ruled unconstitutional already. the permitting scheme is an infringement. people are routinely denied their right to carry a handgun for personal protection in spite of having no criminal record in this state (and in others).

if you support the permitting scheme then you are not a true 2nd amendment supporter.

 

[Darth]

Lies? You said it in one of the numerous threads we've argued on where you claimed to never comply with laws and I said that you did in the past by getting your permit and following the previous AWB.

I believe your words were more or less that you tried to be law abiding back then and believed in the system but no longer.

"Tried to be law abiding" has less than nothing to do with having no issues with the permitting process, or the AWB.

And you know that, so quit digging.

What I never said, or even alluded to, was "I support" either. Whereas Trump did.

 

[NirvanaFan]

...and your correct. But, if the "bowl of fruits and nuts" steals the weapon (not something I'm celebrating or advocating for by the way) it takes some of the HEAT off us especially with the "sitting on the fence " crowd.

This is what got us SAFE! It doesn't matter to the anti-gun people.

 

[Darth]

Not true....I did call him the "messiah" and I still do.

As this plays out, you'll find out why.

There are TONS more issues at stake here than Fix NICS and restricting access to certain firearms to the UNDER 21 customer base.

How about corruption at the highest levels of Gov't and Law Enforcement ?

How about the economy, jobs, and infrastructure repair ?

How about ILLEGAL immigration ?

How about Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and North Korea ?

Would we be better off under Hillary ?

So....still think Trump isn't a "Messiah?"

Considering he's failed at...let's see here, yep ALL, of those points, yeah, no messiah here.

 

[Marine Cpl]

"Tried to be law abiding" has less than nothing to do with having no issues with the permitting process, or the AWB.

And you know that, so quit digging.

What I never said, or even alluded to, was "I support" either. Whereas Trump did.

You said you believed in the system or something to that effect as youngster. Ok. Since it was on the other site buried deep and it can't be proven, I'm a liar. We'll go with that.

 

[Chuck D]

pistol permits should have been ruled unconstitutional already. the permitting scheme is an infringement. people are routinely denied their right to carry a handgun for personal protection in spite of having no criminal record in this state (and in others).

if you support the permitting scheme then you are not a true 2nd amendment supporter.

At what point did I EVER say I supported the permit scheme ?

Putting words in my mouth and/or words in my post that were NEVER spoken or written is a weak and fickle attempt to shift the debate from where it is to where you want to go.

Where do you get to decide who is a "true" 2nd Amendment supporter and who isn't. Forced compulsion to ones thoughts and beliefs us as dangerous to liberty as censorship.

 

[Chuck D]

Considering he's failed at...let's see here, yep ALL, of those points, yeah, no messiah here.

Wow....that's a stretch.

 

[Darth]

You said you believed in the system or something to that effect as youngster. Ok. Since it was on the other site buried deep and it can't be proven, I'm a liar. We'll go with that.

Ok, and I have a long history of YouTube videos to prove you're lying, so that's what I'll go with.

 

[Darth]

Wow....that's a stretch.

Not really, he failed at literally every one.

 

[Chuck D]

This is what got us SAFE! It doesn't matter to the anti-gun people.

No...that isn't what got us UnSafe.

What got is UnSafe was a politician, with national ambitions, pandering to his base, and having the Senate Majority Leader in his hip pocket. THAT'S what got us UnSafe.

Lets put blame where it belongs.

 

[Chuck D]

Not really, he failed at literally every one.

If you say so....


My 401K and 403B say different....MUCH different.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ok, and I have a long history of YouTube videos to prove you're lying, so that's what I'll go with.

Yeah. Afterwards. Ok.

 

[Chuck D]

Ok, and I have a long history of YouTube videos to prove you're lying, so that's what I'll go with.

What am I lying about exactly ?

 

[Darth]

If you say so....


My 401K and 403B say different....MUCH different.

And the National debt say the same.

 

[Darth]

What am I lying about exactly ?

Again, you must be missing my quotes.

I was not addressing you again.

 

[Chuck D]

And the National debt say the same.

That's all Trump's fault too ?

Not Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, or Barry ?

 

[Chuck D]

Again, you must be missing my quotes.

I was not addressing you again.

Sorry...

Must be that Will thing again.

Just wanted to clear up any confusion.

 

[GuyMontag]

Berating those not wanting to get on the Trump train before the election was childish.

This is just pointing out the hard realities.

Darth, the ONLY basis for pulling the lever for Trump on Election Day was the alternative being even more disastrous and dangerous. Pointing out this hard reality doesn't change the fact that elections are and will CONTINUE to be binary choices. Wishing it were otherwise is the definition of childish.

 

[Darth]

Yeah. Afterwards. Ok.

Yeah, the videos have a date stamp. You're just simply making stuff up again.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

If criminals are gonna break the law...then we are too!!!!! Hm Take that bad guys......

 

[Darth]

Darth, the ONLY basis for pulling the lever for Trump on Election Day was the alternative being even more disastrous and dangerous. Pointing out this hard reality doesn't change the fact that elections are and will CONTINUE to be binary choices. Wishing it were otherwise is the definition of childish.

Well actually we were told it would be more disastrous. Just like Obama. It's just turning out to be less true each day.

As for the "binary" choice nonsense, that assumes that one of the 2 automatically are given a vote, without having to earn it. Nope, doesn't work that way.

 

[NirvanaFan]

Darth, the ONLY basis for pulling the lever for Trump on Election Day was the alternative being even more disastrous and dangerous. Pointing out this hard reality doesn't change the fact that elections are and will CONTINUE to be binary choices. Wishing it were otherwise is the definition of childish.

I don't believe they are binary choices everywhere. How did pulling the lever for Trump work out for people in NY? Trump had no chance in NY. Voting for him because he was "the lesser of 2 evils" even though you're actually Libertarian was stupid. The end result of the national election may be binary, but the choices in front of everyone are not.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yeah, the videos have a date stamp. You're just simply making stuff up again.

You said as a youngster. What do time stamps have to do with anything. If I believed something at 12 years old, made a statement at 18 years old that I used to think a certain way, and later made YouTube videos at 19, what does a time stamp prove?

 

[GuyMontag]

Darth, it's a 2 Party system by design. Wish it away and pretend otherwise, but deep down you know fully well a 3rd party candidate doesn't win DICK on the national the level. I've voted for the Libertarian nominee for President, long before it was fashionable to be libertarian, but now understand how worthless that vote truly was in effect.

 

[Darth]

You said as a youngster. What do time stamps have to do with anything. If I believed something at 12 years old, made a statement at 18 years old thattI used to think a certain way, and later made YouTube videos at 19, what does a time stamp prove?

That even way before, during the entire process of, and well after the permitting process, I despised it.

Now couple that with the fact that I joined YT and the other place at nearly the same time, it again shows I never showed any support for permitting whatsoever. Here or there.

If your going to just continue to lie about it, maybe you should have voted for Hillary, like you said you would.

 

[spat]

Big difference between obtaining the tools of the trade illegally and going to the local gun shop and buying them over the counter.

....but I am certain you already know that.

Not for the guy who gets shot there isn't.

If you want to take someone's guns, you *have* to lock them up, anything else is just a suggestion.

 

[Darth]

Darth, it's a 2 Party system by design. Wish it away and pretend otherwise, but deep down you know fully well a 3rd party candidate doesn't win DICK on the national the level. I've voted for the Libertarian nominee for President, long before it was fashionable to be libertarian, but now understand how worthless that vote truly was in effect.

Why did you vote libertarian?

A decade or so nobody had really heard of them.

Did their popularity perhaps grow? Wonder if that has anything to do with votes for them. And the larger candidates bending views (at lest platform wise) to more libertarian policies? Couldn't be the votes right?

And you talk about "the larger picture." That's true intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Celt]

Not true....I did call him the "messiah" and I still do.

As this plays out, you'll find out why.

There are TONS more issues at stake here than Fix NICS and restricting access to certain firearms to the UNDER 21 customer base.

How about corruption at the highest levels of Gov't and Law Enforcement ?

How about the economy, jobs, and infrastructure repair ?

How about ILLEGAL immigration ?

How about Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and North Korea ?

Would we be better off under Hillary ?

So....still think Trump isn't a "Messiah?"

i support all those other things, but i wouldnt ever refer to him as a messiah myself. i have a lot of hope in his ability to carry out these things, but i will always remain skeptical because of his past.

 

[Marine Cpl]

That even way before, during the entire process of, and well after the permitting process, I despised it.

Now couple that with the fact that I joined YT and the other place at nearly the same time, it again shows I never showed any support for permitting whatsoever. Here or there.

If your going to just continue to lie about it, maybe you should have voted for Hillary, like you said you would.

Ok. Darth. Sure.